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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:28 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"... and Collegeville, Minn., in the 1970s before going to Nebraska City, Neb., and then Omaha in the early 1980s."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><br>Well, well, well, isn't THAT interesting? How do we find out if Boys Town and St. John's at Collegeville shared any other priests?<br><br>St. John's, St. Joseph's?? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/26/06 9:53 am<br></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:25 pm

Bluespiano posted this link over at the Gosch thread, where DeCamp says, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"I will say that my client, Monsignor Hupp, had turned over to the bishop the name of a member of the clergy from the Omaha area who had killed a boy and they wouldn’t do anything about it. Again, I can’t go into that now".</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> I guess this is my biggest problem with DeCamp. He gives all these teasers without going all the way. Anyway, consider that possibility, that a priest at Boys Town had murdered one of the center's children. Then consider the info in snowlion's link about this recent lawsuit, that would seem to indicate that there have been connections between Omaha Boys Town and St. John's Abbey in Collegeville, Minnesota. Then consider how there seems to have --coincidentally--been so many priests at the Abbey in Collegeville who are on restrictions for having engaged in pedophilia, as well as other sexual indescretions. Then. consider that Jacob Wetterling was abducted less than four miles (if I have if figured right) from the Abbey grounds. Hmmmm. The linking may be terribly weak, but it might make for some interesting searching. <br><br>Again, my question is...where DO they send priests with a history of sexual offenses and possibly even murder? And THEN the question becomes how they ensure there are no repeats, short of using their own private prisons? Let's face it, the public can't count on the Church to pre-emptively report these things. They only come clean (relatively speaking) when there is no other choice. So, if we can't count on them to report, how do we trust them to protect?<br><br>Are there any other odd goings on around Collegeville? <br><br>. <br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/boys_town_abuse.htm">www.jesus-is-savior.com/E..._abuse.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/26/06 11:28 am<br></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:41 pm

Oh, yes, also consider this, from snowlion's link above:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Darren Boudreau, 34, of Cheyenne, Wyo., claims in the lawsuit that he was "emotionally and mentally scarred for life" because of the alleged abuse by the Rev. Richard Colbert from approximately <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>1985 to 1989 at Father Flanagan's Girls and Boys Town in Omaha, Neb.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->And then go to bluespiano's Gosh link and read about DeCamp's info about his client, Hupp, and figure out his timeline at Boys Town.<br><br>See link for entire interview.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/boys_town_abuse.htm">www.jesus-is-savior.com/E..._abuse.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br>"...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>When in the course of your investigations did you begin to realize that Boys Town in Omaha was essentially a “farm” for what you determined to be a national network of pedophiles that extended well beyond pedophilic priests?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>When the children I was representing—and in the course of interviewing others—brought the role of Boys Town up as a central point. At least certain elements of Boys Town were being improperly used.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>How did you get the British Broadcasting Company [BBC] interested in coming over and doing the explosive documentary that they produced on Boys Town (but which was never aired)?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I did nothing to get them interested. Somehow the BBC got a copy of an early edition of my book. They sent over a preliminary team and, for whatever reason unknown to me, the BBC sent over an entire investigative mission. Over a period of nine months or so they produced the program entitled Conspiracy of Silence. It was scheduled in all of the TV guides to appear on the Discovery Channel on a particular date and at the last minute it was pulled and never saw daylight. <br><br>I called the individual who handles the Discovery Channel programming and he told me that the program had been bought up and sealed and was never to be seen. However, a copy of the video was sent to me from parties unknown, who were obviously concerned that the program was not going to be aired.<br><br>Some $500,000 was paid to buy the airtime for the program. So, whoever bought it at the last minute was able to prevent it from being shown. However, the copies of the videotape are out there and are being widely distributed.*<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Now you have picked up a new client and it ties directly into Boys Town.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>My client is the former head of Boys Town. He was the head longer than anyone in the history of Boys Town. His name is Monsignor Robert Hupp. In 1976, he was appointed as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations, the only clergyman ever appointed to that position. <br><br>He contacted me. He’s 87 years old. I met with him and he needed some help. He felt, I guess, at his advanced age that he wanted to correct some problems and abuses that he had tried to years ago. Just after I was asked to represent him, he completed a major recorded deposition in the presence of many church lawyers, and also attorneys for a number of altar boys who had been abused by priests.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Did he come to you because there were suits against Boys Town?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>There were lawsuits against the Catholic Archdiocese of Omaha and Boys Town is a part of the archdiocese. The position of the church, which was very public, was that they knew nothing about the abuse and, if they had known, they would have done something about it. <br><br>That’s very important to understand. They are saying, “We didn’t know, so how can we be held responsible. If we had known, we would have done something about it.”<br><br>However, the essence of what Monsignor Hupp asked me to do was to help get the true story out, because what he had to say was rather shocking and would totally disprove that claim here in Omaha and probably in a lot of other places.<br><br>I made the arrangements so that he could get his story out under oath. The deposition that he gave in this case may be sealed, but one way or another the story he had to tell will come out.<br><br>Let me give you some background on Monsignor Hupp so that it will all probably make sense. In 1969, Hupp became was what is called the “vicar general” of the Catholic Archdiocese of Omaha. A vicar general is the second-in-command, just below the bishop. When the bishop is gone, the vicar general acts in his place. He held this post until 1973. <br><br>During that time he became aware of the problem of sexual abuse. He officially notified the bishop at the time, Bishop Sheehan, and said, “This is terrible. You have to do something.”<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> From 1969 to 1973, Hupp was making an issue of this</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> but the bishop did nothing but move the priest to another parish.<br><br>So, we overcame the first defense that “We didn’t know and if we did know, we would have done something.”<br><br>Then, Hupp gave an ultimatum to the bishop, saying, “I am resigning as vicar general,” and the bishop tells him that he can’t do it. Hupp said, “I will either resign and you will accept my resignation or I will go to the Omaha World-Herald newspaper and we’ll see what happens then.” So the bishop let him resign. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Shortly thereafter, Hupp was appointed to be the head of Boys Town</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Today Hupp believes this was sort of a reward for keeping quiet.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>He served as head of Boys Town until 1985</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and, of course, went on film with the BBC acknowledging that he was like the wife who was the last to know. He is now determined to do what he can to correct the problem. He sees this as a failure to address the issue which caused it to get worse.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Are you able to determine how many boys from Boys Town got dragged into these national pedophile rings?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I know there were many. I did not realize how serious and widespread it was until about the last six months. <br><br>I had a visitor from the federal public defender’s office in Las Vegas. They called me and said: “I think we have a common interest.” They said: “Well, you know about a place called Boys Town.” <br><br>I responded: “You federal prosecutors have been part of the problem, helping to cover up what’s going on there.” <br><br>They said, “Would you be willing to meet with us?” <br><br>I agreed and they were there the next morning waiting at my office door. <br><br>They were representing a fellow named Paine who is on death row in Las Vegas. He had a bad habit of killing taxi drivers. This Paine had a number of brothers and they had all been raised in Boys Town. When Paine was convicted it turned out that, as they explained it to me, he was a multiple personality that was deliberately created.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In other words, someone had used psychiatric techniques and sexual abuse to alter this young man’s mind.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Yes, and this happened at Boys Town. The story he told was that all of these mind control experiments were being carried out. <br><br>Now, the first time you hear this, you think, “Oh, they are in la-la land.” However, the federal public defender went on to explain that Paine had revealed to them a host of very serious problems going on at Boys Town. Both he and his brothers had been involved, and Paine’s attorneys wanted me to share with them any information that I had come up with. They are appealing Paine’s death sentence and hope to use this information in the appeal.<br><br>The attorneys told me that this boy had another brother, Andre, who lived in Omaha. It turns out that many years before, on the very night the Franklin Credit Union was raided and closed by the federal authorities, he and a group of boys were taken out of Boys Town in the middle of the night and moved to an institution out of state.<br><br>I told these federal public defenders, after giving them a copy of my book: “I predict that after you read the book and before we get very far into this case that you will suddenly get intimidated and lose your interest. You’ll find that the FBI was involved in the cover-up of all of this.”<br><br>They said, “Oh no, no, no.”<br><br>So they lined up the brother, Andre, who is now in his early 20s, to meet with me. Andre told me all of the same things that my previous client, Paul Bonacci, and others had told me. But he had never had any contact with any of them. They had the same stories, the same information, the same people. However, Andre gave me some more information on how organized it was at Georgetown and how he was taken out of Boys Town on a regular basis to participate in sexual parties where they did pornographic films. They would say he was being taken on a visit to his mother, but, in fact, he was not visiting his mother.<br><br>It wasn’t 24 hours later I got a call from the kid and he told me that he was heading out of town. The reason why was because the FBI had shown up at the place where he was registered to go to computer school and seized the computers and told them the boy was involved in all kinds of things. He was kicked out of school. The FBI then went to his apartment and scared his landlord into evicting him. And they went to the place where he worked as a clerk and that place fired him.<br><br>The kid knew he was in trouble and he said, “If they come after me again, I’m going to kill myself.” But I’ve put this young man in touch via e-mail with Noreen Gosch, whose son Johnny was kidnapped and brought into these sex rings. They’ve been exchanging information.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>What’s happened with the federal public defenders representing Andre Paine’s brother?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>They stopped contacting me....." <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/26/06 11:42 am<br></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby snowlion2 » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:12 pm

Hey, Jeff...you started this...any input?<br><br>I'd hate to think of myself as the fulcrum for any of this, but I was attending St. John's in the early/mid 70's. And if anyone wants to google it (try St. Patrick's Hudson abuse), I was married for the first time (lasted about 18 months....she was screwing one of her students) in St. Patrick's Catholic Church in Hudson...a parish with a history of it's own.<br><br>(Edited to suggest search criterion) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=snowlion2>snowlion2</A> at: 9/26/06 1:21 pm<br></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:55 pm

OMG, snowlion, you have just reminded me of a huge void I forgot to mention when I was commenting to Roy about the age of consent with regard to victimization, which varies by state. The void? It's about abuse by people who play a special role in vulnerable individuals' lives, roles which should involve a special trust toward certain individuals who would be considered vulnerable to that special trust. I'm talking about parents, teachers, therapists and clerical practitioners such as priests. In most states, that protects minors to the age of 18, and any sort of emotionally or mentally handicapped person. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:32 pm

I don't know about you, snowlion, but there's this ominous hollow sound on this thread. Is it because I've hijacked the thread? I think the subject of this thread raises the legitimate question of where these pedophile priests get sent. Is it because there's no interest? Is it because people think I'm being politically incorrect and unfair in my targeting of the priesthood? I'm not going to apologize for that last one. The Catholic Church has repeatedly ignored and covered up for its offender priests, protected its molestors who usually have victimized multiple vulnerable children. That makes the Church an enabler or worse. I ask again, has sexual abuse of children by priests become institutionalized? When do the the experts begin to study the social histories of the offenders? How many of these priests were victimized themselves? Only by asking can this problem be rooted out. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby snowlion2 » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:47 am

Yep...the silence is deafening...and a little inexplicable, given past interest here in similar wierdness. Oh, well...for now it's you and me, kid. There's a new development up here re: the Abbey...I'll post it when when I can get a link. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:21 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Hey, Jeff...you started this...any input?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Sorry I hadn't checked back. I think the thread may appear quiet because the subject title appears more self-limiting than where the conversation has taken the subject. Thanks for the digging, you two; very interesting stuff. Let's not let this thread drop. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby snowlion2 » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:30 pm

Ok...here it is. Sort of odd, though...I heard this story briefly on the radio a few days ago, but when I went to search for it via google....the local Twin Cities newspaper....nothin'. Anyway, it is from the St. Cloud Times:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>COLLEGEVILLE — Two sisters of a former St. John’s University student are asking St. John’s Abbey to confirm that a visiting professor sexually abused their brother in 1970. The abbey’s leader says responsibility for the late priest’s actions lies with his religious order.<br><br>Rita Prince and Teri Ryan visited the abbey Monday to ask Abbot John Klassen to publicly acknowledge that the Rev. Paul A. GoPaul abused their brother, Patrick Ryan.<br><br>They also wanted to see a letter their father had written to St. John’s in 1970 that detailed the reasons Patrick Ryan wasn’t returning to St. John’s after a little more than one year of schooling.<br><br>Patrick Ryan had been drugged and raped by GoPaul, the sisters said their father wrote in the letter to St. John’s. After dropping out of college, Patrick Ryan returned home to California a changed person, they said. He spent time in a mental health facility, escaped and was found by police. He hanged himself within hours of his detention in a California jail in February 1971.<br><br>“It did happen 35 years ago, but the pain is as if it was yesterday,” Rita Prince said Monday outside the Abbey Church. GoPaul and the sisters’ father are deceased.<br><br>Abbey’s stance<br><br>Klassen is out of the country until later this week. Abbey spokesman the Rev. William Skudlarek met Prince and Teri Ryan on the steps of the Abbey Church on Monday and expressed sympathy for the sisters’ sorrow. The first the abbey had heard about allegations against GoPaul was in 2002, he said.<br><br>The allegation was sent to an abbey member in the monastery, who contacted GoPaul’s superior at the Society of St. Edmund in Vermont, Skudlarek said. GoPaul was a member of that society and is listed in their records as having died in 1988.<br><br>“Father GoPaul was a member of their community, but he was not a monk at St. John’s Abbey and so we don’t have responsibility for his actions,” Klassen said in a telephone interview late last week from Italy.<br><br>Asked whether the allegation that came forward in 2002 against GoPaul was credible, Klassen said: “If my memory serves me correct, I think there are reasons to find that the allegations (against GoPaul) are credible, but we were never put into position of having to make a judgment whether they were credible or not.”<br><br>Skudlarek said Monday that he didn’t know if the 2002 allegation against GoPaul was from someone in the Ryan family or from another possible victim. Rita Prince said she contacted a victim’s advocate in 2002 after reading newspaper articles about allegations against several St. John’s Abbey monks and priests. She told the advocate she knew only that the professor who had abused her brother in 1970 was black, she said. That advocate called back and told Prince that the professor was GoPaul, that he was from Trinidad and that her father’s letter was in the abbey’s files, Prince said.<br><br>“If I wasn’t sure there was a letter in the file that my father wrote 36 years ago, I wouldn’t be doing this because there would be no proof,” Prince said. “I would hope Abbot John would have enough integrity and character to turn that letter over.”<br><br>Skudlarek vowed to work with Teri Ryan and Prince to investigate what happened to Patrick Ryan while he was in Collegeville. But he stopped short of saying the abbey would turn over information they had about GoPaul.<br><br>“We get into some very complicated legal matters,” Skudlarek told Prince and Teri Ryan.<br><br>Sister’s goals<br><br>Standing alongside the sisters Monday was Bob Schwiderski, Minnesota director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. He lauded Prince and Teri Ryan as “brave people who are standing up publicly for the first time” to help other victims come forward to get the help they need.<br><br>“I want GoPaul’s name released and confirmed by the abbey that he was the rapist of my brother and that they have known about this since the 1970s,” Prince said. “I want his name released so that other people who have been molested by GoPaul can come forward and start the healing process.”<br><br>GoPaul taught history at the university in the 1969-70 and 1970-71 school years. Information about where he was before and after that is sketchy, but he taught at University of California State-Dominguez Hills in the 1980s. He taught black history at St. John’s.<br><br>“At the time of his hire, we were not aware of any complaints filed previously against him,” the abbey and university said in a joint prepared statement. “We did not receive any complaints while he worked here or prior to the 2002 notification.”<br><br>Patrick Ryan’s suicide left his father, Pat Ryan, a different person, Prince said. He often drank heavily but seemed more at ease after a conversation with Klassen in 2002, Prince said. Pat Ryan called Klassen after receiving a letter to all alumni asking if they had been sexually abused during their time at St. John’s.<br><br>Pat Ryan was a 1949 graduate of St. John’s.<br><br>“My mother died at the age of 57 of a broken heart,” Prince said. “My father carried the guilt with him of sending Patrick to his alma mater until he died.”<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/NEWS01/109260032&SearchID=73258128992124">Link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mexico is haven for U.S. pedophile priests

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:19 pm

Snow, wasn't there a St. John's student who went missing several years ago? Did they ever find him? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:37 pm

Wow, just did a Google, St. John's+missing student. Found the St. John's student, one Joshua Guimond. But there appear to be quite a number of missing young men in the last several years in the general area. Only one from St. John's, that I can see. I'll have to dig deeper into that. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:53 pm

A lot of confusing information at this site:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing_students.html">www.vanceholmes.com/court...dents.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: St. John's Creepy Abbey

Postby sarabite » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:23 pm

I went to the Survivors of Clergy Abuse Linkup's convention that was hosted at St. John's Abbey back in 1993. There were a lot of sympathetic survivors and speakers but also many members of the hierarchy lurking about, too. I recall it well because I spoke out, the first use of the term "clergy ritual abuse" I think -- and I was later lied to outright by Fr. Liam Hoare, the head of the Servants of the Paraclete, one of the major players in the cover-up. One weird weekend...<br><br>Why I'm writing, though, is that they have one of the creepiest modern churches I've ever seen. It's a huge, cold, concrete structure that although it faces south, seems replete with satanic symbolism and boasts a crypt with a black marble altar. It gave me and the other RA survivor I explored the place with the willies bigtime. A very dark atmosphere...<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.employees.csbsju.edu/idommer/Church/ChurchTour.htm">www.employees.csbsju.edu/...chTour.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Afterwards, the Abbey ran an organization called ISTI concerning abuse in religious context for awhile, but few survivors I knew ever trusted it. I'm not surprised when the name of the Abbey surfaces -- I think they sponsored the event to cover their asses and see what the other side looked like.<br><br>BTW, the Abbey achieved much earlier infamy, I believe. The assassination of Lincoln was apparently publicly known there at least 6 hours before he was shot. Kinda makes you wonder.<br><br>Jay<br>priestsofdarkness.com <p></p><i></i>
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Re: St. John's Creepy Abbey

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:07 pm

Black marble alter? Maybe they should be doing DNA tersts on it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: St. John's Creepy Abbey

Postby alice » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:30 pm

I looked at the link you gave for the architect ..erm what is the "Bush Center for the Hill Monastic Manuscript Library, 1975"..as that is one of his ...also a very strange sculpture called "the athlete" that looks like a swastika (well that's what it looks like to me ).<br> He also seems to have built/designed several government buildings (HUD and HEW in Washington) so he wasn't cheap . St John's must very very very well-endowed in the money area. <br><br>As a side-issue (but connected) I am assuming you all have heard of the Kincora scandal here in UK ? A boy's home in Northern Ireland.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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