Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby havanagila » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:31 am

In a recent study, the Center for Research on Criminology found that 65% of Egyptians hold superstitious beliefs…and that in Egypt, there are 200,000 fortune-tellers! And that Egyptians spend one billion Egyptian pounds every year on magic and fortune-tellers.<br><br> <br> I think he is a bit harsh on Egypt (sucking up to eurocentric state of mind), nobody ever counted the number of western fortune tellers in..>california, i think there are as many if not more. And in other areas as well.<br><br>alicethecurious, can you tell me a little bit about the Copts in Egypt ? <br><br><br>-----<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby AlicetheCurious » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:12 pm

Well, I am one, although I'm not exactly representative...<br><br>What do you want to know? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby AlicetheCurious » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:58 pm

Here's something interesting: I just saw bits from a very angry press conference held by the suspect's lawyer and members of his family. <br><br>The lawyer accused the police of incompetence or worse, as they apparently had sown the bodies closed and buried them rather than sending them to the pathologist.<br><br>He added that the police had suppressed and failed to investigate some important leads, including the testimony of several witnesses that a sort of mobile health unit had visited the village one week before the murders. <br><br>It carried people wearing doctors' white coats, who told the villagers that there was an epidemic of some unspecified disease and took blood samples from a number of villagers, including all those who were murdered a week later.<br><br>Secondly, the lawyer castigated the media for focussing on the fact that the sexual organs were removed from the victims, but not reporting that in fact, most of the internal organs and corneas were also removed.<br><br>He also said that on the day of the massacre, a micro-bus carrying a group of strangers had arrived in the tiny village, and that so far, their purpose and identities remained unknown.<br><br>The suspect's brother further accused the police of forcing his brother to keep trying to scale the 6-metre high external wall of the house, long after it was evident that he could not possibly have done so unaided. <br><br>Another intriguing aspect of this case, is that the suspect's lawyer is none other than Talaat el Sadat, the nephew of Anwar el Sadat. It's unusual, because Talaat el Sadat is not normally the kind of lawyer who is associated with high-profile cases.<br><br>A final note, Taalat el Sadat is probably no friend of the Egyptian government, since almost immediately after Sadat's assassination, his father Esmat el Sadat (President Sadat's brother) was jailed on corruption charges. <p></p><i></i>
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'Ginn'?

Postby Quentin Quire » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:39 pm

I'd guess the reference to 'ginn' in the translated text would be to 'dijinn' or 'jinn' - the classical arabic term for ghosts or spirits (related to the term 'genie').<br><br>I certainly find this case disturbing and it seems from what's been discussed that a real cover-up has been taken place.<br><br>I don't find it believable that one man was responsible, but I don't want to rush to judgement on the idea that the crimes were occult in nature. Serial killers have done much the same thing without an occult conspiracy in place. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby Sepka » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:46 am

Thanks Alice! I do indeed appreciate the trouble you've gone to.<br><br>I've got trouble with the idea that the murders were motivated by child sacrifice. If that's the case, why would the lawyer and his mother have been killed? Nevertheless, the "slaughtered child" background of the op-ed piece was fascinating.<br><br>The second post (the one about the press conference) is the one that really grabbed my attention, though. How is Talaat el Sadat perceived by the Egyptian public? He's had a certain amount of exposure here in "News of the Strange" for the past few weeks for throwing a fit because Israel supposedly issued a postage stamp with a picture of a Muezzin giving the call to prayer from a minaret. After some searching, I'm not able to find anything corresponding to the description on the Israeli postal site. The current series seem to be themed around famous actors, and children's rights. Postal News (<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://postcom.org/news2.htm)">postcom.org/news2.htm)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> seems to think that the stamp story first broke in Angola, of all places.<br><br>What I suppose I'm wondering is does Talaat Sadat have a reputation as a sober politician, or is he given to exaggeration and rabble-rousing? Did the story about Sadat and the Israeli stamp make the news at all there?<br><br>Are "mobile health units" a common enough visitor to the hinterlands that people would accept them without question? Would most rural Egyptians automatically obey a legitimate-looking authority figure such as a health worker if he wanted blood, or told them to swallow some sort of medicine? Were the people whose blood was tested chosen by the "health unit", or did they volunteer? What kind of government do those towns have? Would a real health unit coordinate through the town government, or would they just show up and start work? I'm guessing that there's some sort of Ministry of Health that would keep records of rural visits.<br><br>How odd that the corneas would be removed. How does Sadat know which organs are missing? I'm guessing *someone* qualified had to have done an examination at some point if he can say with authority that the corneas are gone, as opposed to e.g. the eyes simply being gouged out or the like. Were the doves missing any organs? Did the science teacher's family perhaps keep doves? Is there a chance that the doves were already at the house when the killers arrived, rather than being brought there as part of a ritual? Did any of the families have pets, and were the pets left alive?<br><br>Again, thanks for your efforts, Alice. I'm sorry to have so many questions, but the information isn't available here, and the case seems to be more than it would at first appear.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby AlicetheCurious » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:20 am

Here's something a little odd... I was doing a very tedious search on "Beni Mazar" (the borough that contains the village of Shams-el-Din, where the killings took place), when a reference to a "Mobile Health Unit" gathering information there, caught my eye.<br><br>By some bizarre coincidence, the only "Mobile Health Unit" that is known to be carrying out visits to the villagers, just happens to belong to a company based in...Maryland, USA!! Indeed, one of their activities is "Questions or testing assessing prevelence/severity of iron-def. anemia among women or children", which obviously would involve taking blood samples. Hmmmm.<br><br>Here are the relevant links: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.measuredhs.com/countries/metadata.cfm?ctry_id=10&surv_id=272">www.measuredhs.com/countr...urv_id=272</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.measuredhs.com/countries/country.cfm">www.measuredhs.com/countries/country.cfm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and in this link, scroll down to page 11, where it clearly states that in Beni Mazar, the type of unit used is a "Mobile Clinic":<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.measuredhs.com/countries/country.cfm">www.measuredhs.com/countries/country.cfm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is hardly proof of anything, but I just found it weird that before I knew much about the case, one of the first questions that occurred to me was whether any foreigners had been to the area recently. <br><br>Then, last night, the suspect's lawyer points out that less than one week before the murders, a "Mobile Health Unit" had taken blood samples from the victims. <br><br>And then this morning, the only reference I can find to any "Mobile Health Unit" conducting studies in the area, studies that involve taking blood samples, specifies that it belongs to a US-based company.<br><br>Re: Talaat el Sadat, I would not make to much of his connection to the case; he is not a heavy-weight lawyer, nor is he well-connected, but he has a history of trying to cash in on his uncle's prestige, sometimes in very tacky ways. For example, he ran a hopeless campaign for president recently, which I believe he deliberately launched at a press conference near the site where his uncle was assassinated, wearing a pin printed with a picture of his uncle in full military regalia. He is very outspoken, but is not taken seriously by many, as far as I know. <br><br>Now, re your questions about whether a mobile clinic would be permitted to rove freely in Upper Egypt, this isn't something I would know directly, but I can say this:<br><br>Upper Egyptian villagers, as I've mentioned before, are desperately poor and lack most basic health services; most have to travel a long way just to see a doctor.<br><br>Being someone who skips back and forth over the line between suspicion and paranoia when it comes to the US, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that USAID funding for projects (such as gathering health statistics for the poor living in Upper Egyptian villages) is usually conditional on the hiring of US-based companies to oversee the work or supply the goods.<br><br>If the research being carried out was being funded by USAID, you can bet your booty the Egyptian government had little or no say in the matter.<br><br>Officially, Egypt is an independent country; unofficially, Egypt is no more than a colony of the United States, and its people are second-class citizens in their own land. The US government is in control here and what they say goes (never mind the trivial spats that erupt once in a while just to maintain the illusion that the US and Egypt are "allies" rather than master and slave).<br><br>Remember when you started feeling that things were getting strange? You know, when the news started getting surreal, or as Jeff would put it, when it struck you that the water was getting a little too hot, while those around you were explaining that the higher temperatures were FOR YOUR OWN GOOD?<br><br>Well, it's really becoming that way here, too. There's a real divide between what we can see and what we're told. My husband and I have this recurring joke, "Hey, who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?" It's getting funnier every day...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby Sepka » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:04 am

Interesting. I was thinking more along the lines of the legendary Japanese bank robbery in the 1950s, where "health workers" showed up at the bank at closing time, lined up all the employees, gave them a lecture on the spread of influenza through contact with customers and money, then had them all drink a little cup of "vaccine", which turned out to be cyanide. The bank was then robbed at leisure.<br><br>If someone wanted something that these villagers had, or were suspected of having, the health van ploy would be a way to allow them to be sedated or poisoned quietly, in their homes. The first visit could have been just to establish credibility, or alternately to find the correct victims. It seems a great deal of trouble to kill people, but it does give one time and privacy in the victims' homes, which may have been important for some reason.<br><br>None of that really accounts for the extensive mutilation, though. I could see the genitals being cut off to make it appear the work of a maniac, which is why I wondered about Sadat's credibility. If he's right, that's an awful lot of (and awfully specific) "surgery".<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby AlicetheCurious » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:46 pm

Oh, I think the "mobile health unit" angle, if it can be found to be related to the murders, is a pretty clear indication that the motive to this so far motiveless crime, could very well be to harvest the victims' organs.<br><br>This also fits with the taking of blood samples one week before the killings.<br><br>It's starting to look to me that the whole occult angle was a smokescreen, reinforced by the dead doves scattered around.<br><br>It's interesting also, that the police claimed to have found the missing organs where the suspect said they were, a claim that has since been proven to be false.<br><br>Note that the global trade in human organs involves mucho dinero. It also has the advantage that your customers need the goods at least as desperately as drug addicts, if not more.<br><br>For more info., check:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.vachss.com/help_text/organ_trafficking.html">www.vachss.com/help_text/...cking.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In Egypt, there are a lot of very poor people who are willing to sell their kidneys, for a fraction of what the broker will get. But what happens when the broker is offered a lot of money for say, a child's kidney, a heart, heart valves, a lung? I think even poor people wouldn't be likely to beat down his door to sell THOSE parts... That would be the time for a broker to use some initiative, right?<br><br>I am NOT saying I've 'cracked the case' -- I'm just pointing to one likely possibility that explains many of the odd facts. Besides, I'm always so much more comfortable with the old, "follow the money" than with other types of motives...<br><br>Some background:<br> <br>Back in 1998, there was an article examining the debate raging in Egypt over organ transplants, in the Al Ahram Weekly:<br><br>"Regardless of the controversy, many commentators go still further, and oppose any legislation regulating organ transplant, arguing that it will promote an already active organ trade. <br><br>Last year, Al-Ahram Weekly documented a thriving illegal trade in kidneys. In June 1997, a Libyan kidney patient alleged the involvement of a downtown clinic in organ trade. According to the Weekly, the laboratory's manager and secretary promised to find him a donor for a fee of LE10,000. They also demanded LE3,000 for a forged Egyptian identity card and LE10,000 in payment to the donor. The surgeon who was to perform the transplant demanded LE120,000. <br><br>A police investigation revealed that the laboratory was acting as an agent, purchasing kidneys from low-income Egyptians and selling them to wealthy foreign patients.<br><br>Last year, the Doctors' Syndicate slapped a lifetime ban on a surgeon for performing illegal kidney transplant operations. According to press reports, one of the surgeon's patients complained to the Syndicate after the operation, alleging that the surgeon had paid LE12,000 instead of the LE100,000 he had promised him before the operation.<br><br>"New legislation will only make it easier to take advantage of the poor who are ready to sell," said Lutfi. Profits from the global organ trade have been estimated at a staggering $19 billion. In Egypt alone, there are no less that 15 laboratories trading in kidneys, and at least 300 illegal organ transplants are conducted yearly, according to Lutfi."<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/420/fe2.htm">weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/420/fe2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>One rare piece examining the global organ trade to appear in recent times, was published by the New York Times back in 2004; it provides a good overview of the issue:<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:large;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Tracking the Sale of a Kidney on a Path of Poverty and Hope</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br>By LARRY ROHTER<br><br>Published: May 23, 2004<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>THE ORGAN TRADE<br>A Global Black Market</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>RECIFE, Brazil — When Alberty José da Silva heard he could make money, lots of money, by selling his kidney, it seemed to him the opportunity of a lifetime. For a desperately ill 48-year-old woman in Brooklyn whose doctors had told her to get a kidney any way she could, it was.<br><br>At 38, Mr. da Silva, one of 23 children of a prostitute, lives in a slum near the airport here, in a flimsy two-room shack he shares with a sister and nine other people.<br><br>"As a child, I can remember seven of us sharing a single egg, or living for day after day on just a bit of manioc meal with salt," Mr. da Silva said in an interview.<br><br>He recalled his mother as a woman who "sold her flesh" to survive. Last year he decided that he would, too. Now, a long scar across his side marks the place where a kidney and a rib were removed in exchange for $6,000, paid by middlemen in an international organ trafficking ring.<br><br>Among poor men like Mr. da Silva and others who have migrated to slums here from Brazil's parched northeastern backlands, word of the market to sell their organs spread quickly.<br><br>Some who had done so were already buying houses, businesses, cars and refrigerators.<br><br>The sums being offered seemed a fortune. The minimum wage here is barely $80 a month, and work is hard to find. Many men struggle to exist on odd jobs that pay barely a dollar a day. Initially, the organ brokers paid as much as $10,000 for a kidney — more than a decade's wages.<br><br>Donors and recipients were not related, in contrast to the usual preference for legal and medical reasons. In fact, they did not even know each other. But they were linked by a trafficking ring that the authorities now say exploited two very different sets of needs — for money and for life itself — at opposite ends of a tangled chain thousands of miles long.<br><br>Tracing the journey of Mr. da Silva's kidney through that chain, which spanned four continents and ended in a one-bedroom apartment in Brooklyn, reveals the inner workings of a network that human rights groups say is by no means unique. Rather, they say, it is representative of a global black market for organs, including livers, kidneys and lungs, that touches dozens of countries and generates many millions of dollars a year.<br><br>In Alberty da Silva's case, the authorities here say, the organ's odyssey began with two middlemen based in this gritty port city of 1.5 million people: Gedalya Tauber, a former Israeli police officer, and his partner, Ivan Bonifacio da Silva, a retired Brazilian military police officer.<br><br>The pair, since jailed on organ trafficking charges, not only handed out cash payments, the authorities say, but also arranged for the medical exams to weed out unqualified donors. They then obtained passports and airline tickets for the donors to travel to South Africa, where the transplants took place. Both countries have laws against commercial trade in organs.<br><br>"Six grand is a lot of money, especially when you don't have any," Mr. da Silva said when asked why he had given up his kidney. "No one here warned us that what we were doing was illegal."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Get a Kidney, or Expect to Die<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The American woman who received Mr. da Silva's kidney initially worried that what she was doing might be illegal. She described herself as deeply religious and concerned with the ethics of transplants.<br><br>But during an interview in April she also recalled the long years of suffering that made her take the risk of seeking an organ on the international market. The decision to go abroad for a kidney, she said at her third-floor walk-up apartment in Brooklyn, was not an easy one, but necessary nonetheless.<br><br>"I had been on dialysis for 15 years and on two transplant lists for 7," said the woman, who asked not to be identified by name, for fear of losing support payments vital to maintaining the health of her transplanted organ. "Nothing was happening, and my health was getting worse and worse." Finally, she said, "my doctors told me to get a kidney any way I could," or expect to die.<br><br><br>She took their warning seriously. The years of dialysis had left her with worsening heart and lung problems. She also suffered from severe osteoporosis. "I had seen four other ladies that I knew pass away" while they waited for kidney donors, she said.<br><br>More than 3,300 Americans died last year awaiting kidney transplants, and the Brooklyn woman was among 85,000 people on waiting lists in the United States, 60,000 of them in need of kidneys. The average wait can be five years, says the United Network for Organ Sharing, a nonprofit transplant information clearinghouse in Richmond, Va.<br><br>It is illegal in the United States to pay a donor for an organ. But Nancy Scheper-Hughes of Organs Watch, a human rights group in Berkeley, Calif., that has long tracked the illegal organ trade and denounced abuses, says irregularities still occur.<br><br>"It is a common practice of many larger clinics to advertise on the Internet for transplant tourists, so we're up to our necks in it," Dr. Scheper-Hughes said. Transplant doctors, she says, have developed a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.<br><br>The World Health Organization issued guidelines in 1991 to avoid the coercion or exploitation of organ donors. They were endorsed by 192 countries, including the United States, Brazil and South Africa. But the guidelines are not binding, and the recommendations have been widely ignored. At least one country, Iran, has a legally regulated system to trade organs.<br><br>As medical science advances and health care increasingly becomes a marketplace transaction, a fierce debate about commercializing transplants has emerged.<br><br>On one side, said Alexander M. Capron, the director of the ethics department of the World Health Organization, are "transplant surgeons who believe that a good way to remedy the shortage of organs would be to offer payments," and bioethicists and philosophers who see organ trade as an extension of the principle of autonomy.<br><br>But an opposing group, Mr. Capron said, "fears that the line between selling organs and actually selling people is a rather fine one" and that, as in sex trafficking, the marketplace is one in which coercion and exploitation may be unavoidable.<br><br>In the case of the Brooklyn woman, her husband had relatives in Israel who had heard of a syndicate that brokered transplants, and reached out to them. The woman and her husband said that relatives and the brokers reassured them that an operation abroad would be perfectly legal.<br><br>"I felt helpless, because she was going to die," said the woman's husband, who is in such fragile health himself that he receives disability payments. "Helping her get that kidney was the best thing that I have ever done for anyone in my entire life."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>`Mr. Big' or `the Wrong Guy'?<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The syndicate that organized the American woman's transplant, the authorities say, also arranged kidney transfers for at least 100 Israelis. It was led, they say, by a 52-year-old organ broker in Israel, Ilan Peri.<br><br>"He's Mr. Big, the one who started the whole thing," Johan Wessels, a forensic investigator in South Africa who works for the Department of Health in KwaZulu-Natal Province and has had access to hospital records there, said in Durban.<br><br>Mr. Peri works out of a Tel Aviv suburb through a company called TechCom. He faces charges of tax evasion in Israel, accused of improperly declaring nearly $4 million said to have been earned as an organ broker and is also under investigation in connection with inflating the invoices that he did submit to Israeli health care programs.<br><br>When reached by telephone in Tel Aviv and asked to comment on the charges, Mr. Peri said: "I have never been involved in kidney transplants. You are talking to the wrong guy." He eventually hung up the telephone, but not before amending his statement. "I'm not involved in that anymore, so I can't help you," he said.<br><br>To those who monitor organ trafficking, it was no surprise that Israel should emerge as the focal point of a syndicate. Organ donation rates in Israel are among the lowest in the developed world, about one-third the rate in Western Europe, in large part because of what Health Ministry officials and doctors describe as a widespread impression that Jewish religious law prohibits transplants as a "desecration of the body."<br><br><br>In reality, religious law is far more nuanced. But influential Orthodox rabbis have been reluctant to make public statements that would encourage either live donors or the harvesting of organs from the deceased.<br><br>Israelis needing transplants have suffered as a result. More than 1,000 people in a nation of about 6 million are on Israel's waiting list for organs, more than half of them for kidneys. The list grows by more than 20 percent each year, health officials say. In an average year, more than 80 people die waiting, proportionally a slightly higher rate than in the United States.<br><br>To meet Israeli's growing demand for organs, middlemen calling themselves brokers, from prominent doctors to a former spokesman for a health maintenance organization, have rushed into the market to set prices for a scarce product that can reach $150,000 for a kidney. Some advertise openly in Israeli newspapers and on radio stations, soliciting recipients and donors.<br><br>"As of today, there is no law in Israel that forbids trafficking in human organs," Meir Broder, a legal adviser to the Health Ministry, explained in an interview in Jerusalem. "There is no criminal aspect at all."<br><br>A bill drafted by the Health Ministry that would make trafficking illegal and forbid organ donations for money awaits action in the Parliament. But medical specialists say it faces strong opposition and may not pass.<br><br>For now, allowing the brokers to operate with few restrictions in effect benefits the state by exporting Israel's organ shortage overseas. The patients who do go abroad "save the country a lot of money," explained Dr. Michael Friedlaender, a kidney specialist at Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem, "not only in terms of what doesn't have to be spent on dialysis, but also by opening places for other people who are on the list."<br><br>For operations in Israel, the Ministry of Health relies on elaborate procedures to ensure that donors and recipients act for "altruistic" motives and do not exchange money. But another ministry directive also allows Israelis who go abroad for transplants to be reimbursed as much as $80,000.<br><br>Much of the remaining costs can often be obtained from insurance plans, though Israeli health maintenance organizations are supposed to ask for proof when donors and recipients say they are related in "voluntary" operations.<br><br>Israeli doctors say those requirements are often ignored, and the government says it has no obligation to monitor operations done abroad. "In the end, a country can only be responsible for what happens within its own borders," said Mr. Broder, the Ministry of Health lawyer.<br><br>In the mid-1990's, many of the Israeli organ brokers took their patients to Turkey, flying in teams of Israeli surgeons and relying on donors from Moldova, Romania and Russia. But after some patients died and Dr. Scheper-Hughes of Organs Watch and the Turkish and European news media raised ethical questions, the brokers were forced to search for new locations.<br><br>For both the medical expertise available and its low costs, South Africa emerged as a logical alternative.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The South African Connection<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>It was there, in South Africa, the authorities say, that Mr. Peri's ring brought together Mr. da Silva and the woman who ultimately received his kidney.<br><br>After long negotiations in Israel, which she said were conducted by relatives of her husband, the Brooklyn woman flew to South Africa for a transplant. Because of her unusual circumstances, it cost her just over $60,000, which other kidney recipients who dealt with Mr. Peri said was less than half the price the syndicate usually charged.<br><br>Even so, that amount was 10 times the payment Mr. da Silva received, though organ recipients in Israel said Mr. Peri routinely told them that the Brazilian donors were being paid $25,000.<br><br>While money initially motivated Mr. da Silva to sell his kidney, he said he also came to be moved by the chance to help a stranger. The change, he said, occurred after he, too, arrived in South Africa, his first trip out of Brazil, in what he saw as an adventure that would allow him to see lions, giraffes and elephants.<br><br>Instead, after 10 hours of flying last August, Mr. da Silva found himself in Durban, a resort city of 1.4 million on the Indian Ocean, where he was shuttled to a safe house. Later, at St. Augustine's Hospital, he met the American woman and learned of her long ordeal.<br><br>"It's hard for me to imagine how a person might feel when a relative is about to die, so I don't blame anybody for trying anything to get a new kidney," Mr. da Silva said.<br><br>He said he also made friends with hospital orderlies and a nurse called Mama Tchuka. Mr. da Silva said hospital employees joked openly about the illegal nature of the transplants and the fact that he and the woman receiving his kidney were of different ethnic backgrounds and could not even speak each other's language.<br><br>"It was only when I got to South Africa and was told to sign a document saying that the recipient of my kidney was my cousin that I realized that something was wrong," Mr. da Silva said. "But by then it was too late to turn back."<br><br>In interviews, Mr. da Silva and several other of the Brazilian men who donated organs said they were treated well in South Africa. But investigators say the donors did not get the same quality of care as the Israelis who received their organs.<br><br>The Israelis, for example, like the American woman, were lodged in beachfront hotels before the operation and, afterward, kept under intense observation and given detailed records to be handed over to their doctors back home. The donors, by contrast, were monitored "for a maximum of three days," Mr. Wessels, the South African investigator, said. Some of that time, they were not even in the hospital, but at the safe house the syndicate rented.<br><br>"Then they were put on a plane without much further ado," he said.<br><br>Based on a detailed study of confiscated records, South African authorities say the kidney transfer between Mr. da Silva and the Brooklyn woman was one of more than 100 suspect transplants performed in less than two years at St. Augustine's.<br><br>Today, the director of the kidney transplant unit there, Lindy Dickson, and another employee, Melanie Azor, are among seven people arrested and charged with acting on behalf of the illegal organ ring. Government officials say more indictments are on the way. "Not all the invitation cards have been sent out yet," Barent Groen, the chief government prosecutor in the case, said in an interview in Durban.<br><br>Also arrested was Shushan Meir, an Israeli-born South African who authorities said acted as a middleman for Mr. Peri, the Israeli broker.<br><br>"He visited transplant clinics in Durban, Johannesburg and Cape Town," Mr. Wessels said of Mr. Peri, "and correspondence shows that he was in touch with the doctors and the transplant clinic staff here. The impression I get is that he was making sure his investment was running smoothly."<br><br>At a court hearing, Mr. Meir said that beyond the 100 or so transplants done in Durban, he had organized "probably about 35" more in Johannesburg. But South African investigators estimate that the actual number is probably closer to 200, divided among hospitals in Johannesburg and Cape Town.<br><br>All the hospitals under investigation belong to the same private health care chain, Netcare, which on its Web site boasts of "aiming to uphold South Africa's reputation as `the transplant capital of the world.' " Since the mid-1990's, the company has been buying up facilities like St. Augustine's, originally a Catholic missionary hospital, and demanding a strong bottom-line performance.<br><br>Netcare's chief executive officer, Michael Sacks, declined a request for an interview. Through a press spokeswoman, Martina Nicholson, Netcare has denied conscious involvement in any wrongdoing.<br><br>"We do not know of anything untoward having taken place at all," Ms. Nicholson said. "We still firmly believe that there has been no transgression at any of our hospitals or by any of our staff members."<br><br>With operatives of Mr. Peri's syndicate now jailed in Brazil and South Africa, and Mr. Peri under pressure in Israel, his ring has apparently been smashed. But the transplant waiting list in Israel continues to grow, and recent reports from kidney specialists say Israeli organ brokers have appeared in China, among other places.<br><br>"This is obviously a well-oiled syndicate that knows how to move from one country to another,' R. W. Green-Thompson, superintendent general of the KwaZulu-Natal provincial department of health, said in an interview in Durban. "I'm sure that this problem will pop up again in another country soon. The only question is which one."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Unexpected Consequences<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>These days, Mr. da Silva works 44 hours a week as a security guard, but still earns less than $175 a month, money that is the sole support for the 10 other people he lives with. Even that income was jeopardized when he and other kidney donors were arrested and briefly jailed early this year on suspicion of violating Brazilian laws against trading in human organs. He and more than a score of other donors still faced criminal charges here.<br><br>In the 18 months that ended last November, when the authorities shut down the ring, so many residents from the slums of Recife had volunteered that the middlemen had begun offering just $3,000 for a healthy kidney.<br><br>All told, the police in Brazil estimate that about 100 men, nearly all poor or unemployed, ages 20 to 40, agreed to sell kidneys. Though some would eventually be rejected for having an unusual blood type, frail health or signs of drug use, more than 60 men are believed to have gone to South Africa.<br><br>Recife and its slums had become so lucrative a source for organs, in fact, that Brazilian investigators believe that by late 2003, Israeli brokers, in an effort to swell their earnings further, were considering moving their operations to hospitals here and in other nearby cities.<br><br>With poverty offering up an unquenchable pool of volunteers, the local authorities say the ring had also begun inquiring about buying other vital organs from poor residents, including lungs, livers and corneas.<br><br>"Even after all of this fuss, I'd do it again," said Orley de Santana, a 26-year-old laborer, who went to South Africa but was unable to sell his kidney for $6,000 before the police broke up the ring. "In order not to have to steal or kill, I thought it better to sell my kidney."<br><br>Among the men who did give up a kidney, some say they have experienced health problems that no one warned them about.<br><br>"For me, the complications began almost immediately," said José Carlos da Conceicao da Silva, 24, a day laborer who hauls produce. He said he required a second operation in South Africa on a lung three days after his kidney was removed. Since returning to Brazil his health has worsened, he said.<br><br>"I'm tired all the time and can't lift heavy weights, which I have to be able to do if people are going to hire me," he said. "My blood pressure goes up and down, and I feel pain and numbness where the scar from the operation is."<br><br>Worse still, after his flight back to Brazil, Mr. da Silva, who is not related to Alberty da Silva, said he was robbed of nearly all of the $6,000 he was paid for his kidney when he went to São Paulo during a layover on his flight home. "I begged and pleaded for them not to take the money, telling them that I had sold my kidney abroad and showing them the scar," he recalled, near tears.<br><br>Another donor, Rogerio Bezerra da Silva, not related to the others, also lost his kidney and his cash, which South African authorities confiscated after the ring was exposed late last year, and is now the object of mockery in his slum neighborhood.<br><br>On occasion, Alberty da Silva says, he shows pictures of his trip to South Africa to the neighborhood children. During the interview, he showed them to a reporter, too, including some of him in Durban with the woman who received his kidney. He also displayed a letter she later wrote, thanking him for "the gift of life."<br><br>The American woman continues to correspond with him and, though hardly wealthy herself, says she intends to send cash gifts each Christmas and on his birthday.<br><br>"They never want you to see the donor," she said of the traffickers. "But I kept insisting that we meet because I know that he is now part of my being. I have a piece of him inside of me, so who wouldn't want that bond?"<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Correction May 31, 2004, Monday<br><br>Because of an editing error, a front-page article on May 23 about an organ trafficking ring that operated in Israel, South Africa and Brazil referred incompletely to Nancy Scheper-Hughes, a longtime researcher on that ring and international organ trafficking generally. Besides being director of Organs Watch, she is a professor of medical anthropology at the University of California, Berkeley.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/international/americas/23BRAZ.html?pagewanted=5&ei=5070&en=2a953320ec1ef01d&ex=1138424400">www.nytimes.com/2004/05/2...1138424400</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby AlicetheCurious » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:31 am

Despite what is starting to look like an official effort to bury this case, unlike the victims, it just won't die.<br><br>Two (more) odd things:<br><br>1) Remember that very informative and heated press conference by the suspect's family and lawyer? The one where the lawyer described the surgical removal of a number of the victims' organs, including their corneas?<br><br>The one where he revealed that a "mobile health unit" had visited the village one week before the killings, and taken blood samples from the victims?<br><br>If I hadn't seen excerpts with my own eyes, on the only Egyptian independent tv channel (Dream TV) that covers current events, I would never have known about it, because it has received zero coverage elsewhere. This despite the fact that public interest in the case remains high, as witnessed by the number of times it comes up in daily conversations.<br><br>2) Something very strange happened last week. A newspaper named Al-Masry-al-Youm, one of only two independent newspapers in Egypt (the other one is strongly rumored to be funded by the US as part of its propaganda effort in the Middle East), was produced, printed and sent to its distribution center. ...Where every single copy disappeared without a trace. <br><br>The other newspapers normally handled by the distribution center went out without any problems. Only this particular newspaper vanished into thin air. By the way, this has never happened before.<br><br>When the editors of the newspaper were asked to speculate about what, if anything, in that particular issue could shed light on its disappearance, they answered that the only thing they could think of, was that this edition carried an exclusive interview with the suspect's father in the Beni Mazar killings. <br><br>Unlike elsewhere, it is EXTREMELY difficult to get a hold of back issues in Egypt, particularly of the Arabic press. I've been trying so hard, pulling what strings I can, to see a copy of the interview.<br><br>Sepka et al., I would be very interested in your input re the latest developments. I hope you won't turn off because the facts seem to be pointing to organ theft rather than satanic ritual. First, organ theft has been called "the new cannibalism" and is the ultimate outrage perpetrated against the poor. In their parasitical quest for life at any cost TO OTHERS, certain people consider the rest of humanity as a disposable commodity or metaphorically, as food.<br><br>I think that the satanic angle has been used as a veil for many things: pedophilia, mind-control projects, political assassinations, and now, I propose that it is possibly being used to obscure the theft of vital, healthy organs from those who are most vulnerable and helpless to defend themselves.<br><br>We still don't know "who", "why" and "how"; I'd like to answer those questions before determining the greater implications, if any, of this terrible crime.<br><br>PS: Sorry that my link re: the "mobile clinic" visiting Beni Mazar was somehow modified and did not lead to p. 11 of Appendix C of the document, where I found the info. Here it is again:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/SPA5/11AppendixC.pdf">www.measuredhs.com/pubs/p...endixC.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If you don't want to open a pdf file, here's the excerpt:<br><br>MENYA<br><br>Unit Name<br>Unit Type<br><br>Clinic B<br>CSI<br><br>Health Improvement- Melwy<br>EFPA<br><br>Maghagha<br>Fever Hosp<br><br>El Fekraia<br>Fever Hosp<br><br>Der Mawas<br>Fever Hosp<br><br>El Edwa H.O.<br>Health Office<br><br>Samalout H.O.<br>Health Office<br><br>Malawy 2 H.O.<br>Health Office<br><br>Damshir<br>Integrated Hospital<br><br>Sandafa El Faar<br>Integrated Hospital<br><br>Beni Ebed<br>Integrated Hospital<br><br>Menia 1 M.C.H<br>M.C.H<br><br>Matay M.C.H<br>M.C.H<br><br>Maghagha 1<br>Mobile Clinic<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Beni Mazar 2<br>Mobile Clinic</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Abo Kurkas 2<br>Mobile Clinic<br><br>El Fath El Islamy Dispansary<br>Other NGO<br><br>Omer Bn El Khatab Hospital<br>Other NGO<br><br>Family Planning Clinic In El Sayaida El Azraa Church<br>Other NGO<br><br>Family Planning Clinic In Mar Morkos Church -Malawy (Orth)<br>Other NGO<br><br>Family Planning Clinic In Dair El Malak Church<br>Other NGO<br><br>Family Planning Clinic In El Azraa Church - Dair Mawas - (Orth)<br>Other NGO<br><br>Family Planning Clinic In Mar Mena Church<br>Other NGO<br><br>El Menia Hospital<br>Public/Dest.Hospital<br><br>Malawy<br>Public/Dest.Hospital <br><br>Or do a Google search: ["Beni Mazar" "Mobile Clinic"] <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mysterious mutilation killings in Egypt

Postby Sepka » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:26 am

I'm not a great believer in Satanic conspiracies to begin with, or for that matter in overarching conspiracies that have their fingers in a dozen pies. In my personal experience, most conspiracies tend to be small, practical-minded, and oriented towards a short-term goal. I probably differ from most readers of this board in that belief.<br><br>I'm having trouble seeing this as organ theft as well, though. I know there are a lot of stories current in the Third World (in South America, certainly) about rich Americans stealing people's organs for transplant, but frankly there are much easier and less risky methods to get organs than by stealing them. When you can get what you want quasi-legally by paying a lawyer a finder's fee of $100,000 or so, why spend many times that amount to bankroll an elaborate multi-man undercover operation which would be absolutely illegal? To the extent that murder and theft does occur, it's probably a home-grown operation, rather than directed from abroad.<br><br>There's an additional factor here in that three entire families were killed and mutilated. I have trouble imagining a family's worth of organs from the same immune group all being needed at once. There's the time factor too - organs have a fairly short "shelf life" once they're removed. An organ-stealing ring would probably operate in a city, close to a hospital, rather than out in the back country for that reason.<br><br>I remain skeptical of Sadat as well, as he's claiming on the one hand that the corneas were removed, but on the other hand that the bodies were buried without having been examined by the pathologist. I'm curious to know who dertermined that the corneas, specifically, were gone.<br><br>We're also left with the fact of the farmer's adult daughter and her children being left alive, while the rest of the family was killed, and her door locked from the murderers' side. Interestingly, she was the one whose husband was away in Cairo at the time of the killings. I have to wonder if she was left to give the killers some control over him.<br><br>I still think there was something in the victims' houses that the killers wanted, and I still think it may be connected with artifacts. I doubt that the government was involved - governments have better ways of absenting people from their homes if they want to conduct a search.<br><br>If the health van had anything to do with the murders, I can see them perhaps asking people, in confidence, if they'd been inside any caves, tombs, etc., recently as part of a health screening. It's a legitimate health question, and one that probably wouldn't arouse suspicion.<br><br>I'm still struck by the assortment of careers represented by the victims - lawyer, science teacher, and farmer. I'm guessing the overwhelming majority of the village would be farmers, and a sample based on immune compatibility should by rights have chosen a more representative assortment of careers.<br><br>I agree that the man arrested probably had nothing to do with it. If nothing else, I can't see one man managing to kill that many people with no fuss. At the same time, his arrest may mean no more than that the police feel under pressure to be seen as in control of the situation, so they need to publicly arrest somebody for the time being while they continue to investigate quietly. <br><br>I'd be interested to read the interview with the arrestee's father, should it ever become available, but I doubt it would throw much light on the case. I'm guessing the police are behind the vanishment of the newspapers, not because they had anything to do with the killings, but because they're trying to keep a lid on how far they are from catching the actual killers.<br><br>Organ trafficking's possible, but there's just so much here - the victims' professions, the number killed at once, the remoteness of the location, the woman whose husband was away being left alive - that makes me think something else is going on, and the killings were probably secondary to the actual purpose.<br><br>In any event, I'd be indebted for any further news of the murders. The case definitely holds my attention. I appreciate the effort you've put into gathering and trnaslating.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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