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Re: nothin' to see here, folks

Postby biaothanatoi » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:43 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>was it ticking clock or something ticking ?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>Well, something ticking. I've gotten them, and an advocate friend of mine got them about five years earlier investigating the same group of perps.<br><br>I always presumed it was a clock thing - you know, "your time is running out" or something like that.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>i had the same, in my land phone and it was part of a "scare attack" that drove me nuts and susceptible to manipulation.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>It drove me nuts. I got them for a few year. It didn't help that if my friend was dissociated she would also call me in the middle of the night and then hang up. The perps are calling. She was calling. The phone was ringing constantly. My flatmates were freaking out. Happy days.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And no negative info about Winnie the Pooh please...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I think I saw him at Bohemian Grove this one time ... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: phones and ticking

Postby havanagilla » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:07 pm

Ticking..and phones.<br><br>Thanks biao, my ticking was very faint. At times I thought maybe there was some subliminal message in it, but I am also thinking now that perhaps in order to run a very long, annoying harassment campaign it would make sense to use some automated dialing, and this could also be the source of "timer clock" namely, some gadget that times itself and rings at certain intervals or certain times it was programmed with. just a thought cause it was weird.<br><br>If I remember correctly (it was almost 20 years ago now), I did approach the police about it, and they sent me back to the phone company and eventually I somehow reached the office of the CEO, who was a father of someone from my highschool (his previous career was in the military, as most senior corporate managers in Israel). <br>It stopped for a WHILE (quite a meaningful time) but then it was resumed. When i tried to pull the same trick and use my connection with th CEO I found out he was charged with imbezzlement and fraud, so he was no more around. But it made me wonder, how much phone companies are pivotal for the success of MC/SRA harassments AND programming, and how it must depend on inside cooperation at the highest levels. Namely, corruption is very helpful for perps, cause then they can continue to have it their way. I had the same experiences with the phone company in the USA. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: phones and ticking

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:07 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I am also thinking now that perhaps in order to run a very long, annoying harassment campaign it would make sense to use some automated dialing<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>They used to call my friend 24 hours a day. If you picked up, the phone automatically hung up, but once you put it down, it would start ringing again. They did this for weeks.<br><br>The short and sweet of it is that it <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>had</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to be an automatic dialer. I think they had it connected to a modem and used a computer program to dial her continuously. <br><br>Trust me, it was effective. It used to drive us both insane.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>this could also be the source of "timer clock" namely<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The friend who got the ticking noises thought it was a tape deck 'clicking' over. I thought it was a clock. Who knows? <br><br>Although my friend also had her house broken into and all her clocks smashed ... and a copy of Agatha Christie's "The Clocks" left behind ... so I think I may be on to something with the clock motif ... <br><br>I had the phone calls traced for a while and they went back to my friend's place, which was really weird, since she had been with me when I got some of them. When she's dissociated, she does call me for help and then hang up (really annoying), but one of the ticking clock scenarios occured when we were both out at a nightclub, and the ticking was left on my answering machine ... and the call traced back to her parents house ... about 100ks away from where we were.<br><br>And my activist friend got the same phone calls five years earlier investigating the same men. Damn I hate this freaky crazy-making stuff! <p></p><i></i>
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phones

Postby blanc » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:24 am

is it not pos. to have the number changed, go ex directory etc.? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: novel attitude

Postby havanagilla » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:09 pm

I am slowly trying to get a grip over my situation here in Israel (between the devil and the deep blue sea)...it appears that Israel is embarking on a new attempt to deal with MC victims, i would like to toss the facts as I see them, for "reality check" and responses if possible.<br>through my own "trial and error" (mostly error, regretfully) attempts to establish some sort of boundaries against perps and their friends in the establishment, i am tracing a constant "dialogue" which runs parallel to the abuse, by people who I would lable as those who see themselves as "good and enlightened" within the dark allignments. Namely, in all those dark orgs and gov agencies one would find the token "liberal", it might be a psychologist or social worker who tries to be "reasonable" and take the edge out of some of the more brutal ideas. example (hypothetical) suppose an intel unit decided to get rid of someone to control damage, the "liberal reasonable" man in the org.unit would try to come up with a solution which is less than murder/execution, such as confinement, hospitalization etc. Or he would try to milk some budget to rehab the dependents of the deceased etc. etc. You can also identify those people politically, they would probably be more affiliated with labor/democrats as opposed to outright fascists who usually manage those orgs and call the shots. These people have a double role, one is to lend some decency of facade of normalcy to otherwise crazy orgs, AND to perhaps indeed spare some unnecessary pain. <br>I am getting a feel (its just like sixth sense, no proof) that there is a kind of decision making process taking place right now in ISrael, on the issue of "how to deal with MC victims", where the hardliners are pushing for clean up (shredding) and the so called "englighened killers" are trying to prove it is possible to rehab victims AND keep confidentiality in tact. the 'green path" is basically "forget the past and win the future", the red path...is...annihilation one way or the other.<br>--<br>I am trying to second guess the motivations of those who deal with this situation, and I think most of it financial, namely, there is a LOT of unaccounted for money in this unofficial rehab/silencing business. I find those mediators pretty disgusting, in the sense that they are the ones, in fact, who prevent these matters from going to trial/criminal investigations/press etc. But their justification is that "this would happen anyway, and I am helping at least one person/family regain their lives blah blah". I am constantly digging and finding the same rationalization - "it happens in all the other countries in the world", as the main source of collaboration here. <br>The framework of "rehab" in this context is -<br>1. keep the victim busy (working).<br>2. keep the victim in touch with a trusted mental health professional who will report back (mainly on how safe are the "secrets").<br>3. keep the person forever on the verge of poverty so that they are under tight control.<br>4. keep the person socially isolated, so that he or she is all too happy to confide with the mental health prof who appears on the board as a "friend".<br>5. keep the person sexually celibate.<br>6. keep the person on a survival level in terms of goals.<br>7. keep the person without mobility. (no car)<br>8. keep the children of the person under some form of vulnerability (through the education system etc.) as a threat.<br>9. give very small gradual incentives (carrots) for "good behavior" and just enough contentment to have something to lose from "bad behavior".<br>10. send many validations to how the person is well integrated and loves his life. In my case, I get comments such as "you are soo typically Israeli and so rooted in the culture" Or the most cynical one I find recently - "you should be working in the ministry of absorption because your hebrew awakens language and culture sensibilities in people who have lost touch with their jewish or israeli identity"...etc. Namely, compliment the person on how much they are in fact, patriots.<br>it goes on and on.<br>11. Finally, I think they are aspiring to get the MC victim to be PROUD of her contribution to the state, via her sacrifice, which - in due time - will be recognized and acknowledged properly. And to come to terms and actually condone the inevitability of the suffering that was cast on her, by force of circumstances, of by human mistakes of judgement, which should also be overlooked. <br><br>While this is the best route for survival, it feels like a final execution, namely, a spriitual rape/death. however, if one does indeed realize how slim are the chances of staying alive under these circumstances, perhaps there is a way to come to terms with this folly as well, without letting it "get into" me.<br><br>Thoughts. and it brings me to think about holocaust survivors, such as Primo Levy and their search for "reason to live" after the insult of the soul, at the hands of brutes. <br><br>this makes one wonder, deeply, whether this kind of life is worth living ? a mockery ...of some sorts. <br><br>on edit- i think another part of the program/plan is to construc and provide an alternative narative to explain the past, this is something I need to think about more. I think one tactic is to depict the saga as "family issue", pitting one against the other, thus reducing the accountability of the PTB's to the messed up familiar situation to start with. Wlel, this is just an initial thought/ <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 3/21/06 2:17 pm<br></i>
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