Gitmo detainee: 'There's something else going on'

[HMKGrey]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I suspect they are mining for recruits and/or grooming manchurians (false-flag puppies and the more regular intel assets.) Guantanamo, even on the consensus reality face of it, simply does not make rational, political, or military sense.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>A while back we were wondering; if they know 9/11 was an inside job and the war on terror is largely a sham and diversion, then why are they torturing people? <br><br>Perhaps the above is our answer? <br><br>To keep this war on terror going, you're going to need a lot of fresh meat over the years, right? <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So like...is there a way to reverse this? As in, take a kristofferson album and crack it open to look for pictures or other data floating in the background?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Techincally, yes, but the ability to actually catch something significant is problematic..The pic above(the person's face is the one who made the art, not Saddam, btw) is from a microsecond snapshot, it's not a picture distributed against the entire track's timeline, so looking for this stuff is pretty difficult.<br><br>Of course, if someone had an 'insanity duotone', or the like, all they'd need to do is hollow out those frequencies in any piece of music, then embed it inside it. The track would still be recognizable, aside from some possibly obvious changes in EQ, but...<br><br>If there's a freaky program, maybe that's what's going on, but I consider that a reach. There's also the chance that maybe the tracks themselves are carrier waves for a seperate signal and THAT's the problem waveform(this has the benefit of keeping the music 'clean' and hence, evidence-free), but that's REALLY reaching out there.<br><br>Someone somewhere knows these detainees aren't worth much in the way of interrogation, I'd imagine. They're just refining technique using war as the justification. There's a whole lotta shit you can sweep under the War Rug. <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

Yeah I should have put "interrogation program" in quotes. <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Biderman's Chart of Coercion<br>-codified by Albert Biderman studying US prisoners returned from China during the Korean War.<br><br>(This is what every human child experiences and what spychiatrists have helped the CIA tap into for Total War application in the media.)<br><br>Getting the victim to victimize themselves is the ultimate goal.<br>Associating banal western culture with Gitmo would be one hell of a way to imprint trauma on those about to be released back into their own personal hell. <br><br>Remember that 'acoustic laser' technology that allows a beam of soundwave to hit one person? Imagine beaming sounds of Gitmo at a released prisoner to traumatize them in social context.<br><br>Biderman's Chart of Coercion: the process of abusive brainwashing:<br><br> * Isolation: Deprives victim of all social support [necessary for the] ability to resist. Develops an intense concern with self. Makes victim dependent upon interrogator.<br><br> * <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Monopolization of Perception: Fixes attention upon immediate predicament; fosters introspection. Eliminates stimuli competing with those controlled by the captor. Frustrates all actions not consistent with compliance.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> * Induced Debility & Exhaustion: Weakens mental and physical ability to resist.<br><br> * Threats: Cultivates anxiety and despair.<br><br> * Occasional Indulgences: Provides positive motivation for compliance.<br><br> * Demonstrating "Omnipotence": Suggests futility of resistance.<br><br> * Enforcing Trivial Demands: Develops habit of compliance.<br><br> * Degradation: Makes cost of resistance appear more damaging to self-esteem than capitulation. Reduces prisoner [abuse victim] to "animal level" concerns. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

ive heard it said that our brains function holographically. Perhaps there is a way to encode holograms into music and while we may hear music when listening to a cd, our subconscious is piecing together a holographic picture embedded into the waveform...<br><br><br>hmmm....any takers? May have something to do with frequency ranges..like as in encode the propagandata into a certain freq range that our subconscious is more subseptible to...<br><br><br>Damn interesting thread this one btw <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 6/16/06 6:47 pm<br></i>

[stickdog99]

Matchbox 20 is as painless as suicide. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

ooh i couldnt resist<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.holographicsound.com">www.holographicsound.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>especially<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.holographicsound.com/private-sessions.html">www.holographicsound.com/...sions.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>if it can be used therapeutically, you can be sure it can be used destructively as well... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 6/16/06 6:52 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

That's what I insinuated when I was speaking of binaural waveforms. I should have been more clear about it:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.soundfeelings.com/products/alternative_medicine/music_therapy/entrainment.htm">www.soundfeelings.com/pro...inment.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If it can be used for good, it can be used for bad.<br><br>Then there's the Devil's Chord..but that's a different story.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

4911, genesis p orridge, and Jaz coleman/killing joke are two sources of husic that seem to be able to encode stuff, and seem to be aware of it. Genesis talks about it in an interview at the fortean times site I think. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

whats the devils chord? Something rto do with the enochian keys? <p></p><i></i>

[Quentin Quire]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>whats the devils chord? Something rto do with the enochian keys? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Nothing that esoteric. Something called a 'tritone' - banned in medieval religious music and used by bands like Black Sabbath for disconcerting effects.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[PeterofLoneTree]

Wikipedia:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The tritone is the same as an augmented fourth, which in equal temperament is enharmonic to a diminished fifth."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>This is the "unharmonic" dissonant sound that European (and perhaps other countries') police and emergency vehicles make when responding. I'm only familiar with the sound and effect from movies I've seen. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

From <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Former_Gitmo_detainee_paints__0621.html">RAW:</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Former detainee paints harrowing portrait of life at Guantánamo Bay</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Ex-detainee says suicide attempts were commonplace<br><br>Jailers at the US base in Guantánamo Bay have coerced confessions they knew to be false, beaten prisoners to the point of disability, and given detainees psychotropic drugs they believed were for common physical ailments, according to an account one former detainee gave RAW STORY.<br>...<br><br>There, abuse continued as "the rule, not the exception," Ahmed recalls. Interrogations would be as often as twice a day, or as lengthy as twelve hours, he adds.<br>...<br><br>A change in leadership, he says, changed detainee life for the worse.<br><br>"The treatment got really, really bad when <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>[Major General] Miller</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> came," Ahmed avers. "That's when it all started. That's when the torture and interrogation with dogs, hot and cold environment -- stuff like that started happening."<br>...<br><br>When asked what other forms of abuse he personally experienced, Ahmed says quickly and gravely, "sexual abuse." A strange silence follows. When asked for specifics, he says simply, "I don't really want to go into details."<br>...<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Major General Geoffrey Miller</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> took over at Guantánamo Bay in November of 2002, with the aim of bringing order to the camp. He has since been reassigned to head US operations at Abu Ghraib.<br>...<br><br>Ahmed believes that Guantánamo interrogators were "obviously" aware that they were extracting false information from detainees. "By torturing people, you cannot make them confess the truth," he explains.<br>...<br><br>Ahmed also raised disturbing allegations relating to the camp's psychiatric policies. He describes a prison population that is largely unaware they are being given a psychotropic drug.<br><br>"There was no help given in terms of psyche or anything," he explains. "The only medication they gave you was Prozac--for everything, they gave you Prozac. They offered me Prozac."<br>...<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>