Insex Cult Leader Calls It Quits!

by **glittergothnyaolcom** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:16 pm

[ADMIN PREFACE: This thread and the links contained in the original post contain triggering material and extremely disturbing content. Also, serious questions have been raised about the methodology and intent of "xxx.expose.com" which strongly suggest this is not an expose but rather exploitation. New readers are strongly advised to evaluate the merits of the original post in light of members' commentary.] Insex.com the #1 BDSM web site in the world shut down this week after the new release of documentary XXX.EXPOSE.COM cracked and decoded the cult leader, PD's formula (check out the link <a href="http://www.insex.com/new/sale/default.asp,">www.insex.com/new/sale/default.asp,</a> it's selling for 4 million, any takers?)! Unlike the digital photos and videos of abuse shot at Abu Ghraib, which has the nation in an uproar, the filmed activities of REAL sadistic tortures found on the sight Insex.com have gone reasonably unnoticed, operating under the guise of a legally operating BDSM modeling business. When we look at the recent cases of porno torture at Abu Ghraib, we see the dilemma that many sadists have come across time and time again, that along with the fun and satisfaction that they derive from torturing and abusing others comes the possibility of being charged as a criminal if there happens to be a leak in the system and the mostly delusional masses find out. So, knowing the overall agenda and intentions of the kind of people who are involved in perpetrating on innocents within the military industrial complex, we can see an underlying reason for the creation and ultimately the direction that the pornography and BDSM Internet industries have taken, to be able to legally and out in the open take part in victimless crimes. The owner and leader of the site Insex.com, PD (standing for punishment and discipline), was one of the very first people to bring the techniques of real torture, mind control, programming, cult tactics, thought reform and operant conditioning to the Internet for the public to view as sexual entertainment, hiring young women as "models" to take part in "acting" in his BDSM reality films. PD was also the first to offer "live feeds", live torture sessions in which the members could tune in blow by blow and make online suggestions to the torturer. Can you imagine if we were able to dehumanize the victims at Abu Ghraib to the point at which the abuse was being publicly aired live and US citizens could tune in and make suggestions to the soldiers about what technique of torture they would like to see next? What if the US military gets hip to PD's formula and starves the Iraqis out to where they are forced into signing a form stating that they agreed to being tortured for the soldier's enjoyment and for the exchange of food and thereby releasing any video or photos to the US military to later distribute and sell as pornography? Would the American public then turn a blind eye to their pain and reply with "they asked for it?" This has been the response to the hundreds of victims of the sex slave industry. Torture as mainstream entertainment: We have been force fed a steady diet of pain and suffering of others along with our own as a replacement for real sexually liberating entertainment. We have some how allowed ourselves to regress from thinking of sex as pleasure to now thinking of it as pain. The more real pain portrayed in a picture or a video the more value that picture or video has, the equation is simple more pain equals more money. But what is the real reason for this viscous cycle, who is fueling it and why? We know that the money system is fake, the federal reserve is owned by a private corporation that prints the money out of nothing and owns over 70% of the stock market, basically what we're looking at here is a very, very small group of people that control everything, all the money, all the weapons, all the resources and all the media (about 118 people total own every media source in the entire world). These people believe in death, destruction, misery and maintaining and promoting predatory nature. The BDSM "scene" is a smaller slice of the larger pie, a way that these people hoped they could sexualize torture in the mainstream. They call themselves "Working Sex Magickians." I first discovered this term during my initial research into ritual satanic abuse (a ritualistic method of conditioning through torture usually used on children in the MKULTRA experiments to program them for specific tasks and functions, one being a sex slave) and cults revealed in the web site www.deathandhell.com, a sort of online bible and set of guidelines for the "Working Sex Magickians or Latter Day Satanists." The site defines this as: "A Working Sex Magickian is a sorcerer who in the process of processing sexual appliances for magical purposes exchanges sex or sexual energy or a sexual performance or images for money, drugs, OV(tm) (a reference to synthetic varieties) - for example, any Working Sex Magickian who owns and operates a Brothel, Crack House and Temple Dungeon or any business that employs one or more call girl, exotic dancer, porn model, phone sex worker, pony doll and or a professional dominatrix and maintains open trade relations accepting a common OV(tm) Currency with the World Sigilizer's Cartel are all Sex Magick Workers." These people consider themselves a kind of elite, part of an underground coven all following an unspoken set of rules with an ultimate goal of creating the perfect sex slave race, a race of the walking dead. Notice the term "sexual appliances," it is a very important basic rule to follow for all sadists not to ever allow themselves to humanize their victims, otherwise they may have a sense of regret or guilt. The attitude and agenda of the sadist can be easily detected in the statement: "It's hilarious. The zombification process is complete when the Working Sex Magickian beats the sh*t out of it, given a new name such as Latrina69 or Lavatoria Blue and forced into Toilet Slavery--a poor soulless insect creature doomed to a life of captivity or aimless meandering in some subterranean Temple Dahmer Dungeon Complex. The Hot-Vessel Cadaver(tm) has joined the "living dead." " The facade that this industry is a legitimate means for a woman to make a living and that it's "just a job just like any other job" has to be maintained in order to carry out the real agenda right in front of a blinded public. In this quotation you see what the sadist would define as a ultimate outcome for their victim, to become what they call a "Hot-Vessel Cadaver(tm)," "Hot-Vessel Cadaver" meaning the living dead, a person who's soul has died yet their body still carries on with it's normal functions keeping the body alive, and "tm" standing for true masochist, a person who has been brainwashed into the philosophy of sacrificing themselves for nothing and bases their existence and ego on being able to take a limitless amount of abuse without breaking or asking the abuser to stop. Now you can see where the victimless crime comes in, if the girl never said "no," then it's not rape anymore is it? The writer associates being a toilet slave (a person who literally exists to be another's toilet) with being a real "tm" because in the sadist's world this is the ultimate in degradation and therefore a sadist's dream. "a poor soulless insect creature doomed to a life of captivity or aimless meandering in some subterranean Temple Dahmer Dungeon Complex. The Hot-Vessel Cadaver(tm) has joined the "living dead." " On the opening page of the web site insex.com you will see a spider sitting in the middle of it's web with the skeleton of a human body inside it's stomach as though it has just soaked off the flesh. They aim to return the victim to the realm of the "hive mind" or the insect, the most de-evolved of all existences, based purely on instinct without any thought or analysis, soulless. If you look around you, you will start to see the how the top controllers also fall into this agenda of trying to model our reality to the reality of the insect: they are the spiders that spin the webs (world wide web, the Internet: NET) and we are the little insects that crawl below them like little worker ants, warring with other slightly different looking ants and carrying the food home to our colonies (cities, suburbs, etc.) every night. In this way they are able to suppress our actual mental and spiritual while at the same time advancing technologies that only further the agenda of the insect. If you know Star Treck, a wonderful reference is the Borg mentality, a collective of millions of individuals all operating under the instructions of one leader through the collective mind, this is the goal of the cult leader, to program each individual to operate according to fulfilling his wants and needs and tapping into that collective hive mind on a frequency that he controls. The writer from www.deathandhell.com comments: "Hot-Vessel Cadavers(tm) need to inherit just one copy of the mutated gene from one parent vessel to develop a diminished neural template favorable to autism......Nevertheless FLU called the finding a significant step in understanding what predisposes HVCWs to developing autism; once thought to be a brain disorder, characterized by profound social withdrawal, repetitive behavior and inability to communicate making it our most sought after sexual appliance" We look around us and wonder, why is it that all forms of media have seemingly no depth? That the television is designed for people with IQ's under 100? That the school system is based on the learning and memorization of millions of us less facts all the while not one real topic that relates to any current day issue is ever brought up or discussed? For the same reason that the author states in his writing, to keep us partially mentally retarded. The brain is like any other muscle, if it is not used and stretched in certain ways, then it loses the ability to do so. For example, if we have been taught our entire life to never question anything, to never question or doubt why another has authority or dominion over another and who put them in that position and why, then as time goes on we will become less and less likely or able to do so. In the goal of the sadist, though, we see an agenda to reduse the victim to an even lower level then what is possible with your average everyday institutionalized and mass media programming methods. We see a desire to return them to the state of an animal in servitude or an insect member of the "hive mind" and in this way permanently alter and retard their brain beyond recovery. We can note that from the statement that the desired mental retardation is characterized by "profound social withdrawal, repetitive behavior and inability to communicate," making the victim now a fully non-functional human being in any sort of normal sense. "Profound social withdrawal" and "inability to communicate" would of course be desired outcomes for victims of extreme torture and abuse being as though if silenced they will never be able to express their suffering and therefore will never be helped. "Repetitive behavior" is a sought after quality because the programmer or controller has a template or formula of control that is used to subvert the victim's sovereign autonomy and if the behavior has molded into something repetitive and predictable then the victim is all that much easier to fit into the selected program (there are of course different programs designed for different outcomes), remember these people are in essence control freaks and would aim for all variables in the equation to be pre-determined. So, now I bet you're wondering how does a person allow themselves to get into a position where they open themselves up to being abused, tortured, conditioned, programmed and ultimately to become the total slave of a perverted predator? Well, the reasons vary with each individual person's experience and are quite complex, but I will try and answer the question to the best of my knowledge using my personal experience, research and contact that I have made with people who have been in similar situations (such as the women featured in my new documentary film). From the definition of the "Working Sex Magickian" we can see that the use of the phrase "Latter Day Satanist" is not depicting the kind of Satanism that has been pushed in main stream media and rock bands like Marilyn Manson, but is quite simply put as any person who chooses to practice "black magick" which is defined by the writer by the saying: "Hot-Vessel Cadavers(tm) do die and come back to life, and this is Black Magick by the Latter Day Satanic definition of the word." In other words these people operate as a type of psychic and spiritual vampire, they cannot exist without sucking the life out of others, they feed on other's life force energy and because they themselves as people are so spiritually weak that they cannot step up to the challenge of having another person love them in the context of a real loving relationship and because they have conditioned themselves into a cycle of hatred, even for those that they so called "love" (usually the people closest to the sadist are the ones they hurt the most), they have to weave diabolically complex webs in order to entrap people into being with them for a whole slew of delusional, false reasons. The whole basis around their brand of Satanism has actually nothing to do with the character we have become to know as Satan, a muscular, red skinned horned beast with a pitch fork standing in a pit of fire, but is really founded on one major underlying principle: good=bad, pleasure=pain, freedom=slavery, etc. It is the switching and rewiring of everything that once made sense to us in the most natural kind of a way and reversing it to mean the exact opposite whilst all the while you think that you are not caught in a delusional reality but in a new found state of greater consciousness. But of course this technique of confusion is all employed to trick the victim into serving the sadistic impulses of the perpetrator. For example taking a look at an article written recently: "The Nature of Dominance" by Rick Umbaugh, we can see evidence of a kind of reverse psychology being used on the victim: "Describing the submissive experience within the scene of erotic torture is very difficult. One must begin in the right frame of mind, submissive, pliant, ready to accept anything, no matter how unpleasant. You must set yourself that you will not call your safe word, no matter how unpleasant what you are feeling. Then you have to let go of your intellect, let your mind feel all those sensations and the results are climaxes that take you beyond the mundane world of sight, sound and feeling and into the nether realm of pure sensation where no culture, no society, no words stand between you and the universe. This is the understanding that is the nature of submission. This is the paradox of S/m. While the submissive receives all the sensation, the Dominant does all the work. He or she receives that sense of power that comes from being able to control. He or she receives the homage due all that work, but in the end it is the submissive who gets to touch heaven." The victim is sold into a kind of fake spirituality based on a promise that they will have a god-like experience or get "to touch heaven" if they are "ready to accept anything, no matter how unpleasant." The sadists act as a kind of preacher of some false religious mumbo jumbo to serve their own need of having the ability to legally torture and abuse others. The victim is rewarded only when in complete and total compliance with absolutely every desire of the torturer. They claim they are giving the victim a special kind of gift that they are lucky to be receiving, that they are being allowed to return to their "animal state." There is a major point of confusion here though, what kind of animal state are we speaking of here? Are we talking about the part of us that can dance around with our arms outstretched and flap our arms up and down like the birds or prance around feeling the wind blowing through our hair like a wild horse? No, we are talking about the part of an animal's existence that really has nothing to do with the original identity of that animal or what it symbolizes but only what that animal has come to mean according to it's value in the current capitalist, life as a commodity system that we are trapped in today. The victim is fooled into believing that they are gaining some kind of an eternal knowledge, experiencing some kind of universal energy that flows through all beings when really we are simply allowing ourselves to be de-evolved. "We are involved in all out Spiritual Warfare(tm) on a cosmic and multidimensional scale"- www.deathandhell.com While the system keeps the masses concentrated on fake, staged wars meant to divert our attention away from real issues, the real war is truly being waged right in front of our faces in every city of every country in the world. The real war is one of the predators vs the prey and anything and everything that can be used is used as ammunition including the victim's own spirituality, personality and integrity. This is the greatest crime of the sadist as we know it: to indoctrinate a person and initiate them into a cult and set of spiritual beliefs and practices without the knowledge that they are even being initiated. At least in the past standard cases of cults, the person had some knowledge that they were joining a religious group. In this case the person being indoctrinated believes that he or she is participating in a simple "modeling shoot," all the while the leader is slyly slipping in sub-conscious references to becoming enlightened through a type of false spiritual practice based around the idea of "beating pain." I find it repulsive that any human being could stoop to this level of manipulation to quench their own sadistic impulses. The sadists who have learned and mastered this formula of manipulation know that what they are doing is wrong and immoral. They know full well that a person does not become enlightened or "touch heaven" by being trained to be someone's own personal beating dog. They know that the person is not being given some kind of sacred holy grail of knowledge that they should be eternally grateful for. A person could say that they gave another a concussion, but does that make them a giving person? Is pain and suffering really a gift? Isn't this something that any common criminal could be capable of "giving" to that person? Writing taken from the site insex.com, a woman describes one of her "shoots" (torture training sessions) "Then on the floor, sightless and gagged. Bound more tightly now. I feel primal, feral. An animal squealing and wriggling. I am trying to avoid the electric sharpness of the cattle prod. I am terrified. A rush of relief when I finally find the toy he has thrown, complete my task." We see the woman returning to her "animal self" through being forced to respond and return to the most archaic of emotions: fear. Fear probably was one of the earliest emotions to develop, taking us back to our most primal and de-evolved selves. Fear allows us to detect and respond to dangers, and avoid things that could damage us. "The Brainstem & Medulla Sometimes called the lower brain, the reptilian brain, or the animal brain, the brainstem represents a very crude form of consciousness that is pre-verbal, pre-cognitive, and pre-emotional. The brainstem is barely self-aware but is able to carry out essential survival behaviors in reaction to environmental stimuli." -James Kent 'Psychedelic Information Theory' We see the so-called "art" of BDSM stimulating the part of the brain Kent refers to as the "animal brain" through the usage of fear tactics bringing forth our most basic survival instincts. How ridiculous that the sadist would have us believe that in only stimulating the lower part of the brain we are somehow reaching higher states of consciousness! "First, the medulla oblongata is the most basic element of the working vertebrate brain, and is probably very similar in structure to the very first vertebrate brain that came into being so many millions of years ago. It controls the very essentials of life: heartbeat, respiration, circulation; it routes primal sensory signals from the brain to spinal cord; it detects motion and position of the body and keeps us oriented; it mediates some very basic involuntary responses to stimuli, such as pre-cognitive avoidance reactions in response to pain, loud noise, and danger; and pre-cognitive seeking actions in response to hunger and food." -James Kent 'Psychedelic Information Theory' All of the techniques of behavior modification used on the site insex.com are methods intended on stimulating only the medulla oblongata and amygdala ( a brain structure that is present in all animals and regulates the subconscious ability to perceive threat and fear). Notably fear also causes increased activity in the amygdala and triggers the release of adrenaline, which has been found to "fuse" memories, making them more indelible. Thus we see in the insex quotation above, the woman mentioning being expected to "complete a task" at the precise moment of peak fear, reinforcing the behavior and memory of whatever motive the task was intended to have in modifying the woman's behavior. The behavior that is being reinforced is to follow commands without thought or question. We also notice that she mentions being "sightless and gagged." The woman being sightless would completely discredit any claim whatsoever of her experience being enlightening seeing as the key connection to all energy awareness and connection with our spiritual selves in which we are able to transcend the physical realm into the energy realm is completely reliant upon the stimulation of what many people call the "third eye" or the pineal gland. The pineal gland is seated right in the middle of the brain and is responsive to light stimulation from the retina. Her being blindfolded or sightless would certainly not allow any light stimulation and would therefore cut off her ability to spiritual transcend through the third eye. In addition, her being gagged is a constant conscious reminder to the woman of the controller's desire to have her be an expressionless, voiceless being, thus deeming her autistic or mentally incapable. The victim starts to think of any wants or needs of their own as something selfish and to be ignored. They are only taught to base their existence on their willingness to serve others. The only shred of ego they are allowed to hold on to is based around the amount of suffering that they will endure and for how long they will endure it simply for the entertainment of others. The saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is taken to be the victim's doctrine. A quotation from a recent blog off of the Suicidegirls.com web site: "recently (4 months ago or so) went on some dates with a formal Insex model and she was amazed when I kissed her. I was evidently the first person in ages to do that... Everyone else just used her subbie qualities 24x7 and never actually treated her like a human with human needs. She, on the other hand, totally came to accept that that was what she was good for...which made me sad" When good is bad and bad is good the victim starts to become extremely confused and then is much more likely to disassociate faster. To reinforce the confusion, victims are made to say "thank you" when hit and also made to "please ask for more" when in severe amounts of pain and discomfort. This is a key element to the training in getting the victim to believe that this is something that they truly want for themselves, that it is their choice to be slaves. They are told to learn to feel a freedom in being bound and restrained, to feel that their individual voice and expression is being heard while gagged. They are made to kiss and stroke the tools of abuse (such as a cane or a whip) and expected to feel happy and elated during and after sessions of intense torture begging their controller for more. You can see the danger in a culture of people brainwashed into believing that they truly love being victimized, how will we ever bring another criminal to justice again? From the insex.com web site depicting a particular shoot: "The caning starts. She’s poised. Unguarded. You never see her stiffen to block the blow. There’s no doubt, Lorelie is the queen of this stage. Her stomach is caned, her breasts. A singletail whips her crotch, wrapping onto her pussy. It’s as though she wants to be devastated, ripped to shreds. She’s made up her mind. She’ll take anything. A horrid beating follows. Her screams. The ragged red slashes covering her ass. He offers the cane. She kisses it. Then he really lets loose. The worst beating yet. He only stops when she can bring herself to say the word. Stop. She’s released from the bondage. She’s sobbing now, hollowed out, empty. You get the sense it was inevitable, her annihilation. And when it’s suggested that she take more, she accepts. As though she’s been blinded, deafened. As though some perfect white light burned her beyond recognition." Take into consideration while reading this that it is public information on the web site and was written with the knowledge that the woman herself would probably read it afterwards.... "You never see her stiffen to block the blow. There’s no doubt, Lorelie is the queen of this stage" -This statement is made to establish a false ego for the woman around being able to withstand any amount of pain without complaint. The "queen of this stage?" What a joke, as though being able to take a beating denotes any sort of real accomplishment in the real world of any sort and yet in PD's world somehow these victims are fooled into thinking so. Anyone can be reduced to a piece of meat! "It’s as though she wants to be devastated, ripped to shreds. She’s made up her mind. She’ll take anything" -Once again establishing and reaffirming a false sense of accomplishment around allowing oneself to be victimized, rewarded only for letting others destroy you. "A horrid beating follows. Her screams. The ragged red slashes covering her ass. He offers the cane. She kisses it. Then he really lets loose. The worst beating yet. He only stops when she can bring herself to say the word. Stop." -Now we see that once he is given the cue off that she has developed her fake ego around being the champion masochist, he is determined to break her (it is impossible not to break, no one can withstand being brutally beaten forever) in order to truly shame her publicly for not living up to what she thinks is a test of strength; she will now be determined to continually prove herself over and over again, making up for her previous failures. We see this play out in the next line in which she is asked if she will take more and accepts. Once she has been publicly broken and shamed, the only shred of dignity left for her to salvage is in forcing herself to take the brutalist of beatings with total disregard for her own health and safety. "As though she’s been blinded, deafened. As though some perfect white light burned her beyond recognition." -We see two statements, one true grouped with another that is made up meant to re associate being blind and deaf with something that is part of a "white light" or god-like experience. Here we see the same pattern of good=bad clearly. The natural response to severe amounts of pain and trauma is to disassociate or leave your body so most likely the woman described here did not remember what happened during the time of trauma. This is why the web site descriptions of the goings on are so key in programming the victim with the reinforced messaging that they are truly deriving a real spiritually enlightening and enriching experience so that when they read this afterwards, the gap in their memory gets replaced with the words chosen by the controller and becomes the girl's reality. The sadist targets people who are past victims of abuse, looking for acceptance, searching for answers, a community of people who respect and recognize their individual contribution, in need of a meaning or a purpose to their lives, etc. The perpetrator will use all of these things, they will say whatever it is that you want and need to hear and twist that into serving their purposes. For their purpose they will single handedly craft a false reality for the victim, offering them a full life package, a way out of their current state of dissatisfaction with their mundane and fruitless life. For example, on the first night of arrival to the insex.com apartment in which I stayed over with the leader, we had a lengthy 7 or 8 hour discussion in which he gained my trust, mirrored my tastes pretending to be into all the things I like and in the process found out all the vital informational ammunition to later use on me as a tool of manipulation. After our discussion, it became known to him a few crucial things about my current life paradigm. One being my interest in composing music, two being my heavy involvement in the anti-globalization/animal cruelty/genetic engineering movements and three being my general hatred for the system. He therefore began to mention a possibility of me becoming a staff member as a resident composer and holding that promise over my head in order to get me to agree to withstanding greater and greater levels of abuse. He also held me to my own morality and the fact that I had told him that I was generally interested in what I had thought to be an art form of bdsm, not for the money but out of a real genuine interest. Manipulation in this way is all about absolutism and holding a person up to an impossible standard that they can never reach. From this point on I was constantly expected to prove how "into it" I was by allowing myself to be constantly used and abused at any given time and if at any time I would happen to back away from this challenge I would be deemed as someone who is not "hardcore" or a "real lifestlyer." Once the sadist has thoroughly brainwashed the victim in believing that they are actually gaining something from being beaten and that real love means giving, everything and sacrificing everything with nothing in return, then the sadist has truly molded the perfect "tm." As the deathandhell.com writer puts it: "This is one of the sexiest phenomena you can possibly imagine. You can own this bitch and kill her again and again." How PD used the philosophies of Zen Buddhism to manipulate me into servitude: Here we will be examining how the leader of insex.com, after finding out my former admiration for the teachings of Buddhism, used the philosophies to manipulate me into allowing others to prey upon me for sport. Buddhist teachings taken from site: <a href="http://www.rpi.edu/~verwyc/Zen.htm">www.rpi.edu/~verwyc/Zen.htm</a> "Selflessness": -This is a key element of all Buddhist theory. Obviously you can see how this concept could be used and distorted to mean the giving of oneself completely and totally to another who means to hurt you without any thought of concern for your own well being. "Dissatisfaction : Because of the desire to avoid pain and seek out pleasure, human suffering is inevitable." -It would be easy to interpret this into justifying the logic that if the victim learns to endure extreme amounts of torture, both mental and physical and is then able to program themselves into thinking of that pain as pleasure, it would end all of the victim's suffering over the course of their lifetime and in all situations. Unfortunately, this is an impossible task and in trying to achieve it only leaves the victim feeling even more worthless. The presentation of an unachievable goal does however work quite well for the sadist's purposes being as the slave will always be working towards a goal that they will never reach, this keeps the slave going and striving to take more and more pain. "Craving as the Root of Dissatisfaction : Desire creates dissatisfaction. Desire creates a need for change, and change eventually brings dissatisfaction because of the impermanent nature of all things. Pleasure can only be a temporary state. Elimination of Craving : If we can eliminate our desires, we will eliminate the source of our suffering. If your happiness depends upon the fulfillment of your desires, you can never be satisfied. A Buddhist learns to accept things as they are, and will not want for more, as the wanting will only lead to eventual suffering" -Using this thinking as a base of PD's programming, the BDSM master to slave relationship began to make perfect sense to me. If I could train myself to only have the interests of the controller in mind while eliminating any of my own wants and needs, than I would be able to "eliminate the source" of my suffering. The psychology of a so-called BDSM master slave relationship is told to the victim as such: the happiness of the slave should rely only upon the happiness of the master, in other words whatever makes the master happy makes the slave happy, regardless of what that is and what effect it may have on the slave's well being. "A Buddhist learns to accept things as they are, and will not want for more..." This kind of thinking was used to program me into believing that if I could learn to accept any predicament that I was put into (i.e. bound, gagged, beaten, humiliated, tortured, degraded, electro-shocked, etc.) then I would be getting closer to my "Buddha nature." Later, after de-programming myself, I came to understand that it is because of the misinterpretation of these kinds of teachings that allows the predators to continue to prey on the weak. This philosophy has to be applied cautiously and analyzed situation by situation if applicable. For example, in the case of a person accidentally tripping, falling and scraping their knee, it would do them no favor to desire that the accident had never happened and work themselves into some kind of an emotional fervor increasing their heart rate and possibly leading to a kind of panic attack. But, if you look at cases such as mine or of the Tibetan Buddhists also presented in the documentary, it is obvious that a mentality such as this could lead to disastrous results. If the Tibetans were to follow this teaching exactly and simply accept their situation, then they would be allowing the Chinese military to completely assimilate their culture, to destroy hundreds of years of development, to degrade their values and ways of life, to erase them from history altogether and take their identity and use it as merely a historic tourist relic to profit off of when western tourist groups pay to walk through museums that once were Tibetan temples. The same goes for my situation: if I had simply just went with it, followed my instructions, gone with the program, my identity would have been erased, I would have become only whatever task he seemed fit for me to complete. I would only have a value of whatever my controller and then whomever master he would pass me on to next would grant me. My individual contribution would be lost forever, making me completely expendable. Similarly, the Tibetans would cease to be Tibetans and simply get absorbed by the dominant culture of the Chinese thus losing their worth as a unique culture. The hope of touching god or becoming something akin to the resident web site composer are only the shreds of false dreams that the victim is given to hold on to in order to distract them from the real work that is being done on them during the "shoots." Stay tuned for Part Two when we will delve more deeply into techniques of operant conditioning, mind control, programming, regression, and on and on........ Please visit the website www.xxxexpose.com for new documentary covering these topics and more!!!! -Thank you Moonshine Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 10/18/05 12:43 pm

by **Dreams End** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:48 am

Boy is this some kinda tangled web here. I'm going to take my time trying to sort this out. But a couple of comments on this. First off this site links to a video of which you can watch 30 minutes for free. It is EXTREMELY triggering. It has very graphic scenes attempting to connect S/m porn with animal cruelty and mind control. You'd think they are the good guys. Maybe they are. PW, you may know more about them, as they used your drawings (the journal drawings) in the video. Please do not watch this video but you might want someone trusted and immune to triggers to do so and give you details of how the drawings are used. I assume they had your permission to use them. If not, then this guy posted on the wrong site! Oh, yes, this guy is, in fact, involved with the filmmakers. His nick is the same as the email address listed for the admin. contact on a whois search, so he might be able to answer some questions, though a quick search on xxxexpose shows they've been posting all over...primarily indymedia so he may not actually read this site. There are very clear distortions in this film...actually, even in this post. I am trying to decide if these are distortions due to overzealous filmmakers or serving some other agenda. frankly I'm really torn about this whole thing, but only those of you who can stomach this video will really be able to comment. This post references a "deathandhell.com" as some sort of "bible" for satan worshipers and ritual abusers. It's an intense site, all right, but I don't think it is central to anything. I think Homeless Halo might be of help here as I think the creator of that site, infek bin Laden (no, I'm not making that up) was known in magick discussion groups and from the little searching I did, not well respected though considered intelligent. I haven't checked out much of the site yet, but it purports to be exactly what this poster claims it to be...a hub for information about just about every SRA related thing you could imagine including some so bizarre and unbelievable that it seems almost to be very, very dark satire (an orafice enlarging device...for ANY orafice, for example). If you are not one who might be triggered by the rather graphic images (artistic, not photos) help me determine if this site is BS like I think it is. The fact that this video calls attention to this heretofore obscure site...I dunno...just hit me funny. By the way, infek, evidently, is dead. The admin for that site by the way has few google hits, but the one I found was a paper arguing against the use of psychotropics on kids. Odd concern for a satan worshipper, but I digress. Anyway, the movie targets a particular site, insex.com, which does, in fact, contain very hardcore S/M scenes. The movie suggests that this one site is in fact a cult and is somehow at the apex of all such S/m porno...i.e. you can't work on other such sites if PD from insex doesn't like you. One of the main women in the film complains of this fact after describing a harrowing escape from the cult clutches of this man and the evils of his bdsm activities. I thought her complaint about the inability to go continue this work to be a little odd. I think the movie really conflates these sites and all S/m practitioners in general as all part of one big cult or something. It really seems exaggerated to me, though I've only seen the excerpt. I know for a fact that people engage in this sort of activity consensually all the time. And most more "mainstream" couples engage in all kinds of bondage and spanking and other sorts of play, though certainly the websites depicted in this film go way beyond that. The question is, is it consensual? Yes, there are people who go that extreme consensually. They have the testimony of one woman that it wasn't consensual...or that it was but when asked to stop or tone down an activity they wouldn't. (There are more harrowing tales at the beginning, but these are not from insex.com...the websites are listed in the clips they show from them.) The tone just seemed..sensationalistic to me...almost like the "Faces of Death" series...footage of people dying in gruesome way (I've never seen them nor wanted to). And the stylistic interludes between graphic footage and interviews just struck me as odd. God...I really don't know how I feel about this video as you can tell...but it hits SO many hotbutton issues around here, I thought I'd start looking around to see what I could find out. Oh, by the way, Insex is calling it quits. In fact, they are up for sale. the "cult leader" is going to start a new website that conforms to much stricter obscenity laws which are, in their opinion, likely to lead to legal troubles for them. All this according to a Faq on their site. There's no indication there that this documentary was th cause. And the site is not shut down, as a visit there will indicate...so that's another distortion in this article. A search on this documentary reveals not only their advertising campaign via indymedia (I'm not criticizing that...it's a good way to get the word out about small documentaries) but also some discussion in BDSM discussion groups. I found one that had one of the models from Insex...whose main complaint was that the sale of Insex would also mean the sale of her private info. She didn't have much to say about the documentary. Geez...this gets into some really rocky waters. I think the doc. really exposes some terrible stuff, but I think it's throwing a lot of other stuff in the mix as well...and I'm really not so sure about the Insex=cult business. I'd love a few more pairs of eyes on all this...but you'll need really strong stomachs (a WHOLE LOT of scat play shown in the first few minutes of the 30-minute excerpt...at length...way more than necessary to make the point. I just looked away and listened to sound after a bit till they got off that subject.) I probably should not have posted in this thread...but there's something unnerving about all this.

by **israelirealities** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:53 am

I am NOT going to watch the video, and i browsed the post. One thing I do agree, is the intentional and distorted inculcation of Tibetan Buddhism on victims of MC as well. Seen that in my own eyes with a woman in DC and her child, who are being "worked on" by ISraeli-US military handlers. She endures the fuzzy and slow torture by a weird version of Tibetan Buddhism....I first thought its her own "solution" for the impossible and dead end situation, but not anymore. I think it is being done on purpose, also some experiements with Gurdjeff and recently I saw a victim being fed with I Ching shit, to allow her to be used as SM slave. Same was done with a distorted application of Christian dogma or "martyrdom" and the "suffering of jesus" etc. That's the only part that resonated important to me in this posting about the slaves. If it might raise awareness in ONE victim, that's been useful enough. Namely, to see through the fake application of spiritual ideas, IN ORDER to coach a compliant attitude. Seen taht also happen here in ISrael with certain Pseudo-Hassidic practices. Briefly stated, any attempt to sell you a "martyrdom"...along with someone using you sexually or otherwise should be a red flag indeed.

by **israelirealities** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:56 am

And another important issue is the primal/insect stuff along with the amygdala specification. I think there is something going on in that department, and it has been following holocaust stuff along the same lines...perhaps there is some zone in the brain that reinforces a pavlovian reduction. I heard a lecture here by Van Der Kolke (sp ?) from the USA about the brain structure of trauma and there is too much going on there...it sounds credible that it is being used to enslave people.

by **robertdreed** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:53 am

I think that's an important point- there's no requirement to rely on the symbology associated with Satanism to perform ritual abuse and seek to control another's mind. At this point, that system is arguably even trite. Of course, the symbolic trappings of classical European Satanism began as a systematic parodic reversal of Roman Catholic imagery. The same sort of systematic perversions of symbolism can be applied to all sorts of structural frameworks. And the more dramatic the reversal, the more potentially effective. Nothing is safe in that respect, really. No religious iconography, no literature, no music, no poetry, no lyrics...in the torture dungeons of the Argentine Dirty War, the soundtrack often used was political protest songs. It's even conceivable to use pop songs. "She wore blue...velvet..." ( It seems to me that David Lynch explored much the same themes as "XXXpose", without the need to get nearly so graphic about it, while also maintaining the conventional distance of a fictional portrayal. ) The constant underneath is the programming via fraud and force. In some cases, the fraud is employed first. It's one of the principles of vampirism- the victim has to give consent for the vampire to cross the threshhold. After that...at some point force needs to be employed, to assert total control. As a group of Argentine torturers in a "safe house"/dungeon once said to a nun that they were running a session on, "In here, we are God." That story is from Nunca Mas, testimony compiled by an Argentine truth commission, after the junta collapsed and Argentine civil society was attempting to pick up the pieces. ( Another reason I don't need to see that documentary to have gotten the point already. I've studied the issue, it was sufficient to read the text descriptions. Incidentally, the Argentine Dirty War was pitched to the public as a holy Christian crusade against Communism and decadent youth rebellion. ) There are several practical reasons why seduction might be deemed preferable to forcible abduction, for the power freak seeking a sex slave. Mostly having to do with indemnifying oneself against criminal charges. Then there are others who are irresistibly attracted by the violence of using force. Note that the only way that isn't considered the most loathsome of crimes is if it's given state sanction, as with the Argentine Dirty War torturers- and lately, our own representatives of the "land of the free." And Donald Rumsfeld seeks to seduce us- the American citizenry- into giving our consent. I wonder what's in his closet. I haven't watched any of the video, either the censored version or the uncensored version. I tried to click on the uncensored version, but it wouldn't load for me. After reading Dreams End's review, I'm glad I didn't watch it. I probably would have pulled the plug on it. In my opinion, based on what DE has said, the site should have provided more explicit advance warning about what to expect. At minimum. I did read the "mock interview" that was included in the "censored" site as text. (Presumably the "mock" means that it was pre-rehearsed.) The couple doing the interview sound very reasonable about their motivations for making the film- moralistic, even. But the actual content of the film sounds as if it could be traumatizing to some- the moreso, depending on the vulnerability of the psyche and/or the relative degree of naivete of the viewer. Most people will just find it disgusting. But it's bound to get reviewed by the arts press, and lead to considerable debate and discussion, if I don't miss my guess. The extreme BDSM underground is a world that has typically been a self-contained subculture that shunned advertising, and even emphasized discretion. Now, in the Age of the Internet, BDSM content is as generally available as any other web channel. But in terms of introducing the general public to the subculture, the film is still a taboo-breaker, and that gets attention in some quarters of the arts criticism world that equate artistic merit with the "intense", the "extreme", and the "transgressive." It goes a lot further than "The Story of O", for instance, and does so a lot more graphically. Even if many of the reviews are negative, that "arts & entertainment" value system is popular enough in this country that the DVD may possibly sell a lot of copies. You know how it is- in the world of show business, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Meanwhile, I wonder if the proprietor of insex.com will get his $4 million, or if he'll settle for, say, $800,000 or so. Or if he'll get nothing. I find it interesting that the discussions of "eroticized" mind control, sadism, sexual slavery, etc. are interspersed with clips that are apparently intended to draw the PETA crowd. As a bid for "redeeming social value", that's a persuasive...slant to take. It shouldn't be necessary to watch a film like that to realize that some people in this world are just out to work you. I wonder what sort of backlash the video will provoke, and whether it will be aimed at the DVD itself, the exploitative industry and power-freak sexual slavers that the video was supposedly made in order to condemn, or the entire subculture of BDSM itself... It's noteworthy that while the filmmakers are claiming that much of the behavior they're exposing is non-consensual if the entire truth were known, they also seem aware of the difficulties involved in proving that in a criminal case. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/15/05 4:07 am

by **Project Willow** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:58 am

I can only say I'm not a happy camper at the moment. I will deal with the permission issue privately. I know that cults have infiltrated portions of the bdsm community and supply mc slaves to certain clientele. There is obvious overlap somewhere and that should be investigated and exposed. The method is the issue with this doc., and needs to be addressed, on several levels. This is not a site that mc survivors should view without a support person, even decorative elements are highly triggering. Am not going to speculate what that is about.

by **glittergothnyaolcom** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:03 am

As the maker of the film and also as as trauma victim and survivor, I would like to address the extremely insensitive remarks that were made by the previous poster. First off I wuld like to say that this is NOT a marketing scam, I am putting my own life at risk and have also put everything on the line including everything that I own to complete this project and get the information out to people. I understand that the images are quite graphic, however, in order to really understand another's pain and also to get a real grasp on the details of the techniques being used by these web sites, it is neccessary to really look at or study the evidence which means to actaully watch the video. "PW, you may know more about them, as they used your drawings (the journal drawings) in the video. Please do not watch this video but you might want someone trusted and immune to triggers to do so and give you details of how the drawings are used. I assume they had your permission to use them. If not, then this guy posted on the wrong site!" -As a matter of fact I did contact the illustrator of the drawings and if you watch the film they are coupled with detailed descriptions from a friend of the illustrator and a mind control speacialist Ron Patton. I seriously doubt that anyone who is real activist and survivor would have any problem having their artwork used as incriminating evidence needed to bring light to injustices. "Oh, yes, this guy is, in fact, involved with the filmmakers. His nick is the same as the email address listed for the admin. contact on a whois search, so he might be able to answer some questions, -This "guy" that you so casually and carelessly refer to as though I have no identity or feelings whatsoever is a WOMAN and trauma survivor who was personally involved with ALL THREE companies featured and the sight and is still in the process of healing from being shocked, tortured, porgrammed, conditioned and permanentaly scarred from the experiences I had with these predators. I ask the writer that before making any further comments, to please read the posting first, if they had they would notice that at the end it says my name, Moonshine. "though a quick search on xxxexpose shows they've been posting all over...primarily indymedia so he may not actually read this site." -Yes, I have been posting on indymedia, I have no other connections for getting the story out there, the main stream media is completely controlled and even on so called independent media forums I have been having a lot of trouble with insensative commentary such as this which I believe is being posted by deeply planted governemnt agents, if you do the search and read the posts you will start to recogize patterned responses. "There are very clear distortions in this film...actually, even in this post. I am trying to decide if these are distortions due to overzealous filmmakers or serving some other agenda. frankly I'm really torn about this whole thing, but only those of you who can stomach this video will really be able to comment." -Can anyone here recognize the shear inhumaness of these comments.....I ask the poster....what have you done to change anything?....what art work have you created?....how are you presently risking your life to change minds and the way people perceive the world? I thought that we are part of a movement of truth here, a movement that rewards each other when we try to bring people real information and reach the mass public about topics that are kept surpressed? This person is talking about MY AGENDA...what abut THEIRS? What is this person's agenda in bad mouthing my art work, my story without actually engaging me in real conversation about my experiences or the content of the movie? I am NOT greedy or overzealous, I am NOT trying to make a fast buck....if I wanted to do that I would have made a pro-industry film and just gone with the flow, I would have let myself be the perpatrator, surely you people out there must see what I am going against here, a miltibillion dollar business.....I think that with this person's current attitude it is safe to ask......WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? -WARNING!!!! Let us ask the question here....I just posted this merely 3 hours ago and then I come back to my computer to find this comment. I have to admit, I was quite heartbroken by the negative commentary, I was hoping that I would find kindred spirits here, people of a more enlightened quality, but I am not blaming all of you people out there, I would only warn you of my suspision that this person IS an infiltrator and to be very, very wary of any future postings under this name (although whomever this may be could obviously easily switch names instantly). How would this person, after a short 3 hour period be able to acess this much information and have the time to write up this post? First they would have to read my article which would take about a 30-40 mins then they would have to go to the web site, another 10 mins, download the 30 min clip, another 10-15 min, watch the clip 30 min, think about it (there is a lot of information here to analize, so I guess they must have skipped over this one) then do a ridiculous number of searches on the internet (somehow they knew about all of the indy media posts I have done over the past week, they had had time to go and look at the deathandhell site which has hundreds of pages of information and then they had time to after that make a full alalysis of the site)......what does this tell me, looking at the facts rationally? It tells me that whoever or whatever this person is they have access to some sort of larger database of information in which they can pull up information to deal with specific threats and discredit people right away, to put a real stone in their path and make others that may be able to help or act distrust them. Everyone out there....first understand that I have uncovered a VERY DEEP conspiracy, something that has branches reaching out to VERY powerful places that DO NOT want this information to get out. -It is easy to hide behind words and blogs....I am IN the movie, you can see my face recreating the pain of the girls and my own trauma...I am willing and ready to speak in any live forum so that people may see me in the flesh and know that what I say is from my heart. Where is there a published video of this person? Who are they....has anyone actually met them or seen even a picture? "I think the movie really conflates these sites and all S/m practitioners in general as all part of one big cult or something. It really seems exaggerated to me, though I've only seen the excerpt. -First off, if you watch the clip all way through you will note that this is not MY opinion or even the opinion of the 9 other girls featured in the film but the use of cult tactics on the site insex.com has been thoroughly documented and verified by a cult specialist Ford Greene who won an 8 million dollar case against Scientology and wrote the California state law that allows people to sue brainwashers. There is also an interview with a mind control researcher Ron Patton who publisizes the largest mind control publication on the net MKINE.com and has been studying the topic of mind control for over 12 years......what are your credits?....where is YOUR work? "I know for a fact that people engage in this sort of activity consensually all the time. And most more "mainstream" couples engage in all kinds of bondage and spanking and other sorts of play, though certainly the websites depicted in this film go way beyond that." -All of you readers out there....look at the choices of wording, very confused messaging. The writer started out with a conservative tone to the likes of " It is EXTREMELY triggering. It has very graphic scenes attempting to connect S/m porn with animal cruelty and mind control" meaning that the imagery was too extreme for their fragile, pure eyes. Now somehow we have switched over characters from one of a puritanical to a regular S@M player who has friends in the scene and knows all the lingo! How is this possible? Also, they are making a sweeping generalization of a conclusion which I never hinted at in the film: I am targeting specifically 3 companies, I only accuse them, I am not targeting couples that "play" in their homes or at clubs. If you go to industry run web sites like: <a href="http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/">www.informedconsent.co.uk/</a> <a href="http://www.domsubfriends.com/library/bd-v-ab.shtml">www.domsubfriends.com/lib...v-ab.shtml</a> you will notice the use of words like "consent" How does this person know industry lingo that only somone who was deeply involved in the "scene" would know unles they themselves are a practitioner of BDSM? And why are they defending the industry so fervently.....what is THEIR AGENDA? But this is past the point: if the writer chooses to bring up the topic of consent, then so be it: The nature of an informed decision is exaclty that, the person has to be properly informed. If you had actually watched the free clip on my site you would have noticed that in every case the girls had no idea what the shoot's content was until it was actually happenning to them and by that time they were so disscosiated from the shock of what was happening to them that they had no way of being able to step back for a minute and decide how they wanted to deal with the situation. In the case of facialabuse.com the owners put up a fake add claiming to be a glamour modeling agency that hires for Maxim. Girls contacted them thinking that they were a legitimate glamour porn company that hires actresses to play a part with a set and a plot. They are not told the real name of the site that they are going to be on or what the intention of the shoot will be, gagging them forcefully with their penises until they violently vomit. The girls are forced to sign the model release forms before the shoot begins and before they get paid (which doesn't happen until the end of the shoot, in fact I was told that if I stopped the shoot at any time or caused any "problems" I would not get paid). You have to understand that the majority of these girls are poor, they do not have their own transportation and are usually picked up by the site owners to a place that is unfamiliar to them and that they have no way out of. "infek bin Laden (no, I'm not making that up) was known in magick discussion groups and from the little searching I did, not well respected though considered intelligent." -Again, how could this person possibly have found out this amount of information in a 3 hour period of time? I don't even know about Infek's personal life and I have been researching the subject for over a YEAR! I beleive this is really where you have buried youself my friend<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> -Notice the number of repeated times that the author uses the word "trigger" "If you are not one who might be triggered by the rather graphic images (artistic, not photos) help me determine if this site is BS like I think it is" "It is EXTREMELY triggering. It has very graphic scenes" "....but you might want someone trusted and immune to triggers to do so and give you details...." -This may be hard to understand, but the word itself is being used to trigger people off who subscribe to the site....it is a language that they trust, are use to hearing from other survivors and triggers a response of believing in what the person is saying. This person has obviously been studying your lingo and is using it against you to turn you off to things that could possibly bring extremely important new evidence about modern day uses of mind control to light. I believe there may be a kind of trigger campaign at work here to use the word in order to switch survivors off to certain key knowledge. I have also been noticing the agents using this technique on indymedia but with their trigger lingo such as "not in our name" and calling me a "Christian." They will use whatever language they have to for the given audience to discredit specific targets. "was known in magick discussion groups and from the little searching I did, not well respected though considered intelligent.....By the way, infek, evidently, is dead. The admin for that site by the way has few google hits, but the one I found was a paper arguing against the use of psychotropics on kids. Odd concern for a satan worshipper, but I digress. " -Whomever this is obviously knows Infek personally or is a part of these "magick discussion groups" (the author even knows to spell magic like magick, Infek's spelling) because again there is NO WAY you could possibly find out this much personal information about him in a 3 hour period of time. He is also most probably covering for him seeing as Infek makes many refereneces to drugging up very small children and participating in ritual type sacrifices....doesn't it seem a little to obvious, the reference to him somehow now having this mysterious article (btw I have never seen this article during any of my searches, notice there are no links to it either in the author's writing). I wasn't actually thinking about uncovering infek's multitude of criminal activity, but now that you have brought attention to the fact that it is such a concern to cover it up that you are even now stating that he is dead (wouldn't that be convenient) maybe I will start looking into it. "One of the main women in the film complains of this fact after describing a harrowing escape from the cult clutches of this man and the evils of his bdsm activities" -This person is a linguistics expert and has the ability to manipulate wording and shape the reader's thoughts into thinking about the information in an overdramatized way....which btw I was getting myself ready for...I know that one of their major weapons that they will use to try and discredit me will be that the movie is sensationalized and overexaggerated in order to water down my message and take power away from the film. "I thought her complaint about the inability to go continue this work to be a little odd." -Did you not get the entire point of the film?!!!! These girls are under mind control, programmed to be sex slaves....that is the only function that they feel that can complete and be capable in...that is a part of the programming to keep them stuck in the loop of controllers....the threat of being dropped out of that loop to someone who is still programmed into being a sex slave would be terrifying...they would have no means to EAT!!! "The question is, is it consensual? Yes, there are people who go that extreme consensually" -If you read the article you understand that the current agenda of the globalists is to mainstreamize torture and also to sexualize torture in the mainstream. This said, it can be assumed what side this person is on, they are covering for insex.com and again using INDUSTRY specific lingo designed to confuse the participants into thinking that they have no rights. The techniques used by insex are proven documented techniques that compare exaclty to the techniques used during WW2 in the nazi death camps. "The tone just seemed..sensationalistic to me...almost like the "Faces of Death" -Faces of death is a staged film made purely for profit motives...this is a reality documentary with filmed testimonials and proven researched techniques......notice there is not ONE HINT of sympathy for ANY of the pain and suffering that myself and the other vicitimized women had to endure! "And the stylistic interludes between graphic footage and interviews just struck me as odd." -Are you referring to the artwork? You mean the interpretive music videos.....yes this does not fit into a norm, news casting, suit wearing presentation of information, but I am a musician and a visual artist, this is how I express my deepest emotions (which I assume you have none of) art is the most powerful language and most intense form of communication...I know that someone like yourself who is so cold and unfeeling could not possibly understand this or be able to allow themselves to be moved by the artwork. "God...I really don't know how I feel about this video as you can tell...but it hits SO many hotbutton issues around here, I thought I'd start looking around to see what I could find out." -Notice again the choice of wording, the writer is trying to make the people of the forum choose sides (btw I know that I have not been a member long but I was referred to this forum by a very good friend and activist who thought that there would be sympathetic minds here). He obviously means to try and trump up some sort of witch hunt/disinfo campaign about the work that I have done. Also, notice that he is already slamming me but makes no reference to any specifics of the movie, and has not watched the entire thing yet....there are 4 hours and 40 mins of film...he is only claiming to have seen 30 mins of highlights, how can he have a formed opinion? "I'd love a few more pairs of eyes on all this...but you'll need really strong stomachs (a WHOLE LOT of scat play shown in the first few minutes of the 30-minute excerpt...at length...way more than necessary to make the point. I just looked away and listened to sound after a bit till they got off that subject.)" -He is again trying to trump up support, to act as though he is some sort of a ring leader telling you how to think about the film before you have even watched it. " WHOLE LOT of scat play" -WARNING!!!!!! This is a liguistics master. I never ONCE mentioned "scat play" in the article or in the movie ONE time....the only kind of person that would know to call something like this "play" would be a master programmer themselves who knows the tricks and trades of the industry. I myself was conned and tricked with words like "electro play" which really meant electro torture coupled with operant conditioning and "breath play" which really meant strangling to cut off a person's oxygen supply making them more suseptable to hypnotic suggestions. Only a person who either works in the industry for a long period of time or is somehow tied in to this deep conspiracy and agenda would know to use words like "play" coupled with "scat" "way more than necessary to make the point. I just looked away and listened to sound after a bit till they got off that subject.)" -For a person that knows sooooooo much about consent in BDSM relationships and scat "play" you sure have delicate eyes! If you had taken the time to read the first page you will notice there are 2 buttons, censored and uncensored, if you are sooooo deilcate, then why didn't you watch the censored? That's why it's there. I urge people of the forum to watch the footage for themselves and not be swayed until they have been able to thoroughly evaluate the information and form their OWN opinions....I myself feel that the evidence speaks for itself. Thank you -Moonshine: trauma survivor and maker of film www.xxxexpose.com

by **robertdreed** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:14 am

I recommend that you add a short text warning to prospective viewers on the front page that explicitly describes the particular practices that are included in the uncensored version of the DVD.

by **robertdreed** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:07 am

I'll tell you why I clicked on the "uncensored" version first- I wasn't sure what I'd find, but I thought that was the version that would be truer to the intention of making the film. I think that's probably the decision that most people in this culture would make- to view the unexpurgated version- maybe because of the popular view that "censored" material is kid stuff, and "uncensored" material is an entitlement of adulthood. To the extent that I had expectations, I thought that whatever I would be seeing, it would be presented in a way that wasn't drawn out- it would consist of brief snippets with enough impact to get the intent across without being gratuitously graphic for an extended length of time. In other words, that while it would be "X-rated", it wouldn't consist of explicitly pornographic scenes. But I really didn't know what I was going to see. As it happens, I didn't watch either version. But from the description I read by the person on the board who did view it, I think it would have caught me by surprise and shocked me considerably. I would have shut it off quickly. If I had an advance description of what I was going to be viewing, I'm not sure what I would have done. Probably I would have chosen the censored version. But if I'd decided to view the uncensored version, at least I would have been more prepared for what I was about to view. Because for the vast majority of people, that's the sort of material that isn't merely neutrally non-arousing or mildly distasteful, it's horrid. I've viewed a few clips of BDSM pornography before, but it always looked banal to me- somebody else's mundane fetish. That doesn't sound anything like what's on that DVD. What's on there sounds more like the sort of thing that police who specialize in sex crimes have to endure watching, in the line of duty. So I think that putting a more explicit warning than merely "uncensored" vs. "censored" is in order, in this case. I feel strange recommending that, it being the case that I haven't even watched either version of the video. But having received a textual summary of some of the details, that's my advice to you.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:14 pm

Hey there, thanks for replying. "linguistic master". No..I am a very fast writer and I'll give you the rundown of how I found what I found. Let me first say that I saw what I think was the whole 30 minute preview video but I may not have. It simply stopped playing and I'm not sure i'd watched for 30 minutes. Let me also say that I'm not an agent...and the irony of that accusation given another longrunning discussion will not be lost on anyone here, but you don't know about all that so I don't think that will be an issue. However, calling someone an agent has been disallowed, so to continue being able to post here, just call me a scumbag or something and you'll be fine. (I'm not a moderator...just telling you about the new rule) Here's what happened. I saw your article. I went to the video site and watched the video. I wanted to know who you guys were (this was before I read the mock interview posted on an indymedia site...so there was no clue on the website.) Ran a whois query (takes 30 seconds at most) and saw a male's name (won't put it here) as the admin contact but the email address was the same as the nick you chose...hence I said he is the same person or shares an email address with same person. I thought the whole article was quoted material so I did not assume that "moonshine" was necessarily the poster. Sorry for getting your gender wrong. My comments about indymedia were clear. I said that it's a good marketing strategy for small documentaries. You seem to see some judgment in that. Anyway by simply running a search on xxxexpose what came back was tons of indymedia sites. I didn't have to go to every indymedia site...I just looked at the list and this showed you were marketing your film this way. As such, I didn't know if you'd be back to reread this post or not. I did suggest you might, and here you are. took about 45 seconds. Then I wanted to know about deathandhell.com as I've never heard of it and people on this site do all kinds of exposes of the occult, SRA underground. I went to the site and have only yet viewed a couple of pages of the many that are there. That will take some time. However, I then did a search on insek bin Laden and found a discussion board talking about him and "was his site for real" kinda thing. Most of the posters there seemed to be involved in magick (yes, people use the k on this site too, so that's not evidence of my linguistic master powers) and were dismissive of him. This was a first pass at research so I admit that I drew a conclusion as to the level of respect he commanded from this one site. Here's the site where I found that discussion: <a href="http://www.barbelith.com/topic/20343">www.barbelith.com/topic/20343</a> If you are looking for more information on the guy, I think these folks could tell you more. Took me about 3 mouseclicks to find it. On google search on his name it was about the fourth one down I think. Okay, I think you've already made up your mind that I'm some sort of...I don't know what, but that was the process I went through. I'm good with google and I write fast. As for triggering, PW, for example, has a site that is her own artwork. She warns that it is triggering. I don't know why that bothered you that I stressed that. Either deathandhell and your video could be triggering. This does not reflect at all on the accuracy of your video. Nor does it reflect on PW's site, which is, in fact, the site where those drawings came from. She will, I assume, be contacting you about your obtaining permissions to use them as evidently this was news to her though perhaps the guy referring to those drawings is, as you suggest, her friend and thought it would be okay. Meanwhile, she herself has expressed concern for how triggering this video could be, so I don't think my own concerns about that suggest I'm somehow...hell, I didn't actually understand your point on that one. And I know you aren't concerned that I suggested deathandhell.com might be triggering. As for the vid...the first part is all about scat stuff and also a lot of vomiting and I simply couldn't watch that. I'm not sure why you found that odd that I couldn't watch that and yet might not be a prude. Now, I still don't know what to make of this video. I really don't. In the thirty minute clip, the case against Insex as cult was not really made...but I haven't seen the whole film. When I called for more eyes it's because I really don' t think my impressions alone are enough to go on. Yes, you need a strong stomach...you deny this? Of course not...but I was asking MORE people to go to your site and check it out at whatever level they feel comfortable and rdr is certainly right in that simply clicking on an uncensored button is not enough...some text explaining what's in the clip is definitely recommended. As for my own sexual proclivities...not that it's your business...but I do have experience with bdsm. And nothing consensual shocks me, whether or not I participate...but I can't even watch scat stuff. And in the interest of even fuller but unnecessary disclosure, I met my wife at a local BDSM club. She was heavy into it before I was. Obviously, since her breakdown and memories have started coming, we are intensely looking at that whole area trying to see what that's about in relation to abuse that is still fairly vague in her mind. It's a complex topic, even without the MC element. I've expressed my concerns to her about this and that whole area of our life has pretty much stopped...as has our conventional sex life as these memories of sexual abuse begin to surface. So I'm open to concerns about all this. (If this freaks anyone out on this board, I'll start another thread and we can get into it. Not just about me, I mean, but the relation of BDSM to childhood abuse and even RA. I don't have answers, but I have questions.) I think your case against the first few websites is stronger than the one against Insex...but as I said, I haven't seen the full vid. I'd really like a link to that cultbusters guy...and his investigation. From what I remember of the clip, and I may be remembering wrong, the cult experts talked about mc in general, and I couldn't tell when or if they were talking about insex. And I'm sorry I can't afford the vid. I'm just broke. So I recognize that it's unfair to judge from one 30 minute clip. I'm just one guy on this site. If your claims about how mc is working in the bdsm community and, particularly, within the porn business are true and your full vid makes this case well, I think you will find a very sympathetic hearing here, no matter what my take is on it. I wanted to alert people like PW because of her expertise and people like HH because he is so knowledgeable on the occult underground so they could check it out themselves. I will stand by my view though that this video goes way over the top in terms of footage...I just think that the discussion that follows its release is going to center on that and not the informational content. If that scat stuff, for example, is a the beginning of the full feature, then many will never even get to the rest of it. Please do understand, moonshine, as I've said. I'm just one guy here. If I'm way off base in my concerns then others will take me to task as you will. And I think a GREAT way to start that off is to post some of the informational stuff here...lay out the factual case against insex and the analysis so that those who can't or won't watch the vid can judge for themselves.

by **firstimer** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:46 pm

back to BDSM and abugharib, There are innocent shades of Foucault in that first post. I'm also channeling Jeremy Bentham's and his panopticon at the thought of Torture TV. Thank you, I never thought I would ever see those things come into reality, now I understand my strange attraction to such topics, Now is the time that they will come into reality. It isn't just a nightmare anymore its a reality. Well at least I have read the script. No longer a firstimer, name change coming, any suggestions? (all will be considered)

by **glittergothnyaolcom** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:20 pm

Hello, I first will explain my definition of agent: A agnet is any person who tries to discredit another that is bringing truth to light and criminal activities to some sort of justice in the public mind. A person does not have to be directly employed, ie getting a paycheck, from the master controllers to be pushing their overall agenda, which is what would be the case if one were to front a sort of disinfo campaign against my research. I feel that, even though it can be very important to make constructive critisism, many people go through their entire lives without making any contribution at all ceatively to informing or heliping others....for this I feel that I am deserve some sort of credit and not simply a wall of judgements and using such words like BS, sensationlist, making reference to Faces of Death, marketing scheme, etc...you can see how this could be seen as insensitive seeing as how the subject matter is very personal to me and I take critiques to heart. I think the major problem with the past series of events is that people making the commentary are passing judgement too quickly and forming their opinions before actually allowing themselves to sit back for a moment, look at the information and really analize it. But, this is a general problem within society (fast food mindset, TV programs designed to give people ADD), people always want the answer right away, they want an easy solution and don't want to take the time to really invenstigate in full detial, this always leads to prejudice and generalized views. This is obviously what happened in your case (DE) when you spent probably a total of 5-10 minutes researching each topic and then ran to the board to make a premature comment on information that you had not gotten in depth with yet. Another example of this is the way in which you jumped to conclusions about the writer of the artcle being male when it clearly stated my name at the bottom of the article, all I'm saying is that maybe next time it would be better that before you place such harsh judgement on a person that you just take a moment and think about the repercusions of what you are saying a little better....words can hurt. On the website there are 2 buttons: censored and uncensored, when you click on the uncensored there is a full wanring page saying that the film contains graphic violence, nudity and explicit language...I had thought that people would get the idea that the images are rather disturbing from that. This is the warning page deseign that the law requires for the kind of imagery depicted, there is also an explanation of the kinds of subjects detailed in the film on the warning page as well.....if it really means something to you...I can put a little phrase in about scat, hah! Now seeing that you mention being involved in the BDSM scene and also having read a few posts about your relationship to your wife, I an understand why you initially got so defensive. It seems to me that the whole topic of BDSM may have triggerred you. Your wife being heavily involved in BDSM doesn't maybe but definitely has a very strong correlation to her DID problems. I know many women who are involved in the sex industry that have past histories of abuse, were raped as children by their family members, etc....it is extremely common, if not the norm. I myself was abused as a child in a variety of settings including at home, in school and by other members of my family (sometimes pysically but mostly mentally) and know that for me falling into the role of the abused came quite naturally to me. This is what BDSM does to victims of abuse, it triggers them into their abused alter personality and reienforces that role and personality. This is whay you of all people should understand how it would be so important to bring this to light: predators preying on women's weaknesses of their past abused altered selves and using that to fufill their own prevereted sadistic needs. In reference to BDSM you had said: "I've expressed my concerns to her about this and that whole area of our life has pretty much stopped...as has our conventional sex life as these memories of sexual abuse begin to surface.." -It should not just "pretty much stop" it should stop now and altogether. If you are ever going to have a full loving and healthy sexual relationship with your wife, BDSM, especially for a victim of abuse is not going to help take you two to that point. It seems as though, as I mentioned before, you have been involved deeply within the BDSM scene, seeing as you knew all of their terminology, this needs to be taken into VERY serious consideration when understadning your wife's problems. The very nature of being a sub is being a masochist or a person who is bent on self destruction and gets off on others hurting or destroying them. This is not healthy in my view. You as the dominant (i'm assuming you were the dom in sessions with your wife) would in her head relate you with the abuser and then in her subconsious somewhere with the person who perpatrated on her. There are only 2 roles to have, the predator and the prey, she will always be, in any BDSM scenario, referencing the most extreme and traumatizing version of this scenario (which would obviously be whatever created the initial DID problem). I am not critisizing you, I am trying to help. I myself was caught up in being the victim, it was a comfortable role. You feel like you are always in the right and are proud of yourself in some strange dilluded way for being able to handle abuse over and over again, it becomes your only worth. "If this freaks anyone out on this board, I'll start another thread and we can get into it. Not just about me, I mean, but the relation of BDSM to childhood abuse and even RA. I don't have answers, but I have questions.)" It doesn't freak me out and I would be happen to anwser any questions that you may have seeing as my backround in the area is probably much more immense that almost anyone you may come into contact with. I am hoping that we can start communicating on more of a human level from here on, I like it when people get more personal, we can't all change the world, but we can start with oursleves and our relationships...that's a big one! I will take what you said into consideration and work on an outline of what happened to me and other girls at insex. I am more than happy to open up anything about myself, what my expereinces are or my feelings to anyone who is interesed, I love to share<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Thanks Moonshine

by **Dreams End** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:13 pm

Hello again, Moonshine. I will just add a couple responses. First off, I don't know about your involvement in the BDSM scene. It sounds like it's mainly in the world of bdsm porn. This, to me, would be like drawing conclusions about sex from being involved in straight porn. So I'm interested in your experiences...but the caveat is that things done within the context of a loving relationship are different from things done in films...especially films based on coercion. I don't know what your experiences have been in a setting of just plain folks with no central authority figure. Speaking of which, your task you set out for yourself was not just to prove coercion on Insex...indeed, a few eyewitness testimonies and police reports (were there police reports???) is really all you need to establish that. positing it as an MC cult is a different animal....and I'd be curious to see that chain of reasoning. I'm not going to go into all my own sexual history...I offered that bit as I would feel hypocritical not revealing that. And while I am definitely having a look at those issues, I'd hate for anyone to think that what I've done with consenting partners has anything to do with the world as portrayed in your films. My experiences involve safe words, negotiation, intense communication and attention to detail ("I like the feel of this, not of that"). Those skills are sorely lacking in many more conventional sexual relationships. (Vanilla, as the term goes.) Oh, and I've been on both ends, with men and women. But no, I, personally am not triggered in any way by the film. And I debated whether I should even post. I was concerned that the very people who might be attracted to this film for it's "message" are those who might easily get triggered by this film. And to be honest, the freakiest parts for me were the artistic montages. I'm open to an expose on Insex...but even in that clip...I couldn't tell who of the people in the scene who were interviewed had anything to do with Insex. Who was that guy with "directorial experience"? An insex cameraman? Was the guy in the mask related to Insex? The guy with the whip and the cane? Are you outing all of BDSM as a cult, or just Insex and other porn companies? It wasn't clear to me. There were serious allegations mixed in with some spots with almost a "Reefer Madness" sort of feel. This may have been due to lack of context in the shorter clip. And I was new to your allegations about Insex, but not knew to the world of mind control, etc. In fact, is there any mention in your film of the history of mind control in the CIA and other intel agencies? Will you be discussing Project Bluebird? Do you uncover any connections to the alleged Project Monarch? Are you suggesting Insex is part of that network or simply borrowing technique? I'd be curious to know where the film goes on the wider picture of MC/RA. So no, I'm not new to these issues. In fact, I recognized the drawings from our friend here we call Project Willow right off the bat. I know about MKzine. I never heard of Cultbusters though or their victory against Scientology. I will do some more searching about that as Scientology is also of interest to me. But knowing what I do, I couldn't understand your focus on deathandhell.com. The guy who started it is dead and I've had confirmation from someone on this board who knew him that the site is intended as dark satire. The few pages I visited seem to confirm this but I'll look into it more closely. This site, from all I know and, I think, from what the folks at this site know, holds no relevance to any of this. Why not go after Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set? Direct involvement in ritual abuse has been alleged and I think pretty well documented. In addition, he's openly military intelligence. I don't think infek bin Laden (even his name suggests satire) will get you anywhere. And I do not mean to belittle your background and the abuse you suffered. I believe and I think correctly, that the entire porn industry is filled with such childhood abuse victims. And this does, indeed, call into question what "consent" actually means. And I'm sorry to say that I simply will not be changing my mind about the approach you took editorially. Leave aside my own prejudices...are the people you want to reach really going to be able to sit through this film? Can not personal testimony with shorter clips get the job done? That was what was so confusing to me...that and the spooky interludes. Seriously, I think Kenneth Anger himself would have left a screening. Edit: I'm looking at deathandhell.com right now. I have to say it is clearly, very clearly satire. I'm not feeling comfortable posting examples, b/c it's definitely not MY cup of satire tea, but here's one little snippet: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The act of dismembering a corpse can provide you with periodic aerobic exercise, as well as a rewarding free lunch and a pretty sex toy. Ritually sacrificing about 4 victims a day throughout your career can add as much as 75 years to a Working Sex Magickians life.<hr></blockquote> Actually, he usually puts the TM trademark symbol after the words "Ritual Sacrifice." I'm sorry, Moonshine...this site is clearly not what you make it out to be. It's not gonna win feel-good site of the year, no, but it simply is not possible from what I see that it is meant to be the "bible" of ritual abusers. And this was my first impression as well...one of the first caution flags I had about this video. Sometimes we need to watch tough images. We need to see the bodies in wartime, for example (media not even allowed to show coffins these days.) but only if those images serve a larger, coherent narrative truth. I think, at best, there's some sloppy research here. I'm sorry no one else seems to be checking all this out and giving their own impressions as I really do recognize that my subjective experience of this video may not be the same as others will have. (Again, with the triggers caution.) by the way, shouldn't you have a "triggering" warning in addition to the graphic sex warning? It's pretty standard, even in DID forums where people are just talking about their experiences. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 10/15/05 8:32 pm

by **robertdreed** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:49 pm

Truthfully, this is one of those topics where I'd rather read a book about it. If there are nine victims with nine different accounts, they could recount their recollections, impressions, and insights about the experiences without the graphic portrayals. I'm also wondering whether your'e familiar with any stories of males who found themselves in similiar situations in the BDSM porn industry. "On the website there are 2 buttons: censored and uncensored, when you click on the uncensored there is a full wanring page saying that the film contains graphic violence, nudity and explicit language...I had thought that people would get the idea that the images are rather disturbing from that. This is the warning page deseign that the law requires for the kind of imagery depicted, there is also an explanation of the kinds of subjects detailed in the film on the warning page as well.....if it really means something to you...I can put a little phrase in about scat, hah!" Yes, as a matter of fact, I think that an elementary written description of the full range of specific sexual and paraphiliac practices should be included in advance of viewing the DVD you made. Speaking personally, that's my opinion. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/15/05 9:16 pm

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:47 am

One more observation. I think you misunderstand what we mean by "triggering." That doesn't mean "making someone mad" or disgusting them or whatever. It is a specific term which means causing someone who is DID to dissociate....bringing out an alter or flashbacks. For those who have MC backgrounds, it can also mean to "trigger" specifically programmed responses. That is, see an image or hear a phrase and you automatically go do something...like a hypnotic suggestion. (In fact, am I correct here? Should we not have two different terms for these?) Anyway, triggers don't have to be shocking in any way, but images and references to abuse and other scary things are definitely triggers for some. Since you are discussing mind control and likely to attract victims of same to view your site, it is really important to put a "trigger" warning above and beyond warnings of explicit content. If you've researched mind control, you are, of course, aware of all this, but I think you were using triggering with me and I was responding to you as if "triggering" meant something more generic. Since I am not DID or a victim of Mind control (as far as I know) I cannot be "triggered" in this sense of the word.

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