Gitmo detainee: 'There's something else going on'

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Gitmo detainee: 'There's something else going on'

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:42 pm

From <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Men Who Stare at Goats</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, an excerpt of Jon Ronson's conversation with former Gitmo detainee Jamal al-Harith (who was the <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.notinourname.net/restrictions/gitmo-12mar04.htm">first</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> to reveal the use of prostitutes to sexually and irreligiously humiliate detainees):<br><br>A military intelligence officer brought a ghetto blaster into his room. He put it on the floor in the corner. He said, "Here's a great girl band doing Fleetwood Mac songs."<br><br> He didn't blast the CD at Jamal. This wasn't sleep-deprivation, and it wasn't an attempt to induce the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://orbis-quintus.net/blog/?p=1501">Bucha Effect</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. Instead, the agent simply put it on at normal volume.<br><br>"He put it on," said Jamal, "and he left."<br><br>"An all-girl Fleetwood Mac covers band?" I said.<br><br>"Yeah," said Jamal.<br><br>This sounded to me like the tip of a very strange iceberg.<br><br>"And what happened next?" I asked.<br><br>"When the CD was finished, he came back into the room and said, 'You might like this.' And he put on Kris Kristofferson's greatest hits. Normal volume. And he left the room again. And then, when that was finished, he came back and said, 'Here's a Matchbox Twenty CD.' "<br><br>"Was he doing it for entertainment purposes?" I asked.<br><br>"It's interrogation," said Jamal. "I don't think they were trying to entertain me."<br><br>"Matchbox Twenty?" I said. The only other occasion when I had heard of Matchbox Twenty was when Adam Piore from Newsweek told me that they too had been blasted into the shipping containers in al-Qaim.<br><br>I mentioned this to Jamal and he looked astonished.<br><br>"Matchbox Twenty?" he said.<br><br>"Their album More Than You Think You Are," I said.<br><br>There was silence.<br><br>"I thought they were just playing me a CD," said Jamal. "Just playing me a CD. See if I like music or not. Now I've heard this, I'm thinking there must have been something else going on. Now I'm thinking, why did they play that same CD to me as well? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>They're playing this CD in Iraq and they're playing the same CD in Cuba. It means to me there is a program</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. They're not playing music because they think people like or dislike Matchbox Twenty more than other music. Or Kris Kristofferson more than other music. There is a reason. There's something else going on. Obviously I don't know what it is. But there must be some other intent."<br><br>"There must be," I said.<br><br>Jamal paused for a moment and then he said, "You don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes, do you? But you know it is deep. You know it is deep."<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 6/15/06 7:45 pm<br></i>
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Re: Gitmo detainee: 'There's something else going on'

Postby NewKid » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:00 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There's something else going on<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Isn't there always?<br><br>"Joining us tonight to discuss the issue in detail is noted psywar scholar and an expert on mass media manipulation, Prof. Hugh Manatee Wins . . ."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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For Sure...

Postby TroubleFunk » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:51 pm

That's a wicked shitload of terrible music, enough to top off most rabbit holes to overflowing. Now, when they wheel in the Third Eye Blind... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: For Sure...

Postby HMKGrey » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:08 pm

Totally weird. <br><br>I guess part of psyops could be trying to make you think you're being psyops'd when you're not. ie. just 'messing' with your head with no other goal than messing with your head, right?<br><br>Playing someone random music sounds like a good way to do this. After all, as the perpetrator you would probably still be wanting to keep your victims guessing. You lose a lot of power if you become predictable. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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"just 'messing' with your head"

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:14 pm

I think that must be a huge part of psyops. It creates a paranoid loop that requires little effort on the part of the intelligence officer to maintain. But the mysterious thing about this story is the music's apparent non-random selection. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 6/15/06 9:15 pm<br></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:22 am

If department stores play songs with subliminal anti-shoplifting, pro-spending messages -- then I would <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>assume</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> that the military's doing the same thing in prisoner camps. They probably doctored a number of that same Matchbox Twenty CD for the same worldwide interrogation program. Or...maybe...they didn't need to doctor it, and the CD already exists that way, Josie & the Pussycats style? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:26 am

WTF, ok...<br>I just had that disappearing post thing happen to me...<br>What I was saying was that...<br><br>If department stores play songs with subliminal anti-shoplifting, pro-spending messages -- then the military <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>must</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> be doing a similar thing with the songs it plays the prisoners. Maybe the military doctored a certain number of that Matchbox CD for an interrogation program. Or...maybe...the CD didn't need to be doctored and already existed with subliminal codes and whatnot, Josie & the Pussycats style? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby km artlu » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:53 am

Anyone out there with ProTools and skills could maybe dredge something out of those specific CDs.<br><br>I had an instant cross-reference kick in between Kristofferson and, if memory serves, his mention in Trance Formation of America. Meaning probably nothing...<br><br>Thanks for that, Jeff. Interesting. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:09 am

Kristofferson = Master Mason, FWIW. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby NewKid » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:20 am

"Unfortunately, Prof. Wins has had to cancel our interview tonight due to more pressing obligations . . ."<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2006/06/get_out_your_ti.html" target="top">agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2006/06/get_out_your_ti.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:31 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Anyone out there with ProTools and skills could maybe dredge something out of those specific CDs.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It would have to be something very overt to protrude from a rendered master track. Pro Tools, btw, will not assist in extensive audio analysis, you need a program like Audition for that, which allows for spectral view and editing. The concept of embedding...material, into a song is taken to large stretches by the ignorant public. There are binaural frequencies that have arguable effects on a listener, but in order for those to work, headphones are required as well as a lack of any interfereance in those frequencies that would instigate phase cancellation.<br><br>Unless, of course, you're talking about shit like Ozzy's Suicide Solution, which is just a revresed audio track; quite dumb and grossly ineffective on anyone aside from a 13 year old's 'Coolness' meter.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:44 am

Embedding something visual in the spectral domain of an audio track is something entirely different, however. Here's a spectral view of something a friend of mine created:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://experimentfour.brinkster.net/spectrogram/060606___ghostinthemachine.png" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>This is what it sounds like:<br><br>http://experimentfour.brinkster.net/spectrogram/060606___ghostinthemachine.mp3 <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby 4911 » Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:48 am

hey way cool<br><br><br>your saying if you embed an image of saddam hussein into a song somehow, it sounds like the beaming noise from star trek? (that was saddam wadnt it?)<br><br>So like...is there a way to reverse this? As in, take a kristofferson album and crack it open to look for pictures or other data floating in the background? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby Gouda » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:58 am

I suspect they are mining for recruits and/or grooming manchurians (false-flag puppies and the more regular intel assets.) Guantanamo, even on the consensus reality face of it, simply does not make rational, political, or military sense. <br><br>***<br><br>By the way, I am just waiting for that Kris Kristofferson thread.... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "just 'messing' with your head"

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:33 am

Matchbox 20...<br><br>Those sick fucks. Thats just wrong.<br><br>Locking me up and playing that drival at me would certainly make me want to commit acts of horrendous violence against anything. And everything.<br><br>Do you reckon it would be now possible to have Matchbox 20 banned. Surely this proves what we have known all along. they are a crime against humanity. <p></p><i></i>
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