Ariel Sharon Kabbalistic death curse

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Postby Floyd Smoots » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:48 pm

So, whut's da story, Dave???? Just think first. If you post "the story" here, you'd better be prepared to "defend it".<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ariel Sharon Kabbalistic death curse

Postby Sepka » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:49 pm

Given that there were 42 youth involved, and that they had evidently followed Elisha out of the town (one assumes there would have been no bears in town) what's being described is something a bit more than a few kids making fun of the bald guy. There's also the curious taunt "Go on up, you bald man!" I think there's implied context to the story that would have been obvious to an ancient audience, but is lost to moderns.<br><br>If we heard today a tale of a man being followed through Detroit by 42 youth yelling "Go on home, white man!" we'd be able to use our general knowledge of place and time to infer that he was in danger. An observer from 3000 years in the future wouldn't necessarily have that context, and the tale might appear very different.<br><br>*****<br><br>From a lighter PoV, the whole thing may well have appeared a blessing to the bears. The miracle of Jesus filling the nets probably appeared a pretty sucky deal to the fish. Much meaning lies in the context <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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So I'll Say It Again, Sepka....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:07 am

....Somebody had to feed the bears.<br><br>But because I'm NOT a racist, it could just as easily have been 42 white skinheads chasing one poor black prophet of God out of their village, and screaming, "We're Gonna Lynch You Now!!" Either way, as you well point out, WE weren't there, and, therefore are NOT really qualified to judge the "whole story". Only God can, and my real point was that folks who like to use this as an excuse to write the whole Bible off as dead-guy Jewish "myth" do so at their own peril. But that's just my opinion, I could be right.<br><br>Added upon edit: but I really want to hear from you, Alice, concerning my previous long post answering your complaints about my posts. I will point out what was said before, about none of us being there. We can't judge God's motives about WHY the youths were eaten by the bear, or bears, as the case may be.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=floydsmoots>Floyd Smoots</A> at: 2/19/06 9:14 pm<br></i>
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Re: Ariel did his job.

Postby slimmouse » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:14 am

<br><br> Ariel did his job.<br><br> He sold his soul. He took the silver and butchered the innocent along the way in the name of God.<br><br> On to the next Guy. <br><br> Theres a stream of them in waiting, unless we can collectively get these people to wake up.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: God's motives

Postby AlicetheCurious » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:44 am

Floyd, how can we possibly judge God's motives? What I do feel perfectly competent to do, on the other hand, is to judge people's actions.<br><br>We live in the same boat, sink or swim together, so our actions do matter to each other.<br><br>By the way, what is a Christian? Because the word definitely means different things to different people, therefore it means very little to me.<br><br>If by a Christian, you mean someone who believes that Jesus is God's only begotten Son, born through immaculate conception with the Virgin Mary, who suffered and died on the cross for our sins and was miraculously resurrected on the third day, then that is one thing.<br><br>If by a Christian you mean someone who believes that "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind", and "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself", "on these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets", well, that is something very different. <br><br>Speaking from personal experience, one can fit a definition of "Christian" without necessarily fitting the other.<br><br>Sorry if it offends your sensibilities, Floyd, but the first definition means nothing to me. The second, on the other hand, I find infinitely intriguing.<br><br>Please note the interesting paradox in the two commandments above: you are to love God with ALL your heart, soul and mind, but you are to love your neighbour and yourself -- with what, if ALL your heart, soul and mind are already committed? <br><br>One way to resolve this paradox, is to define one's neighbor and oneself as somehow within the definition of God. If so, this has enormous implications, not only for how we treat ourselves and others, but for our purpose in living, our "mission" if you will.<br><br>Because if we are part of God, or one aspect of God, or if God can be loved THROUGH oneself or other people, who are therefore closely related to God, then why would we not know this?<br><br>There are three possible answers. One, is that we are NOT part of God, and that is why we feel so separate from Him and from each other.<br><br>The other is that we are meant to remain ignorant and blind until and unless God chooses to "save" us at his whim and pleasure.<br><br>The third is that we are meant to find the truth through our efforts and seeking. This is a hypothesis, and like all hypotheses, needs to be tested empirically, ie, in the real world.<br><br>If the hypothesis is true, of course, then the separation between ourselves and others, between ourselves and the world we live in, is part of the deception we must struggle to overcome. The "real world" then exists as a spiritual feedback mechanism; as the computer people say, "garbage in, garbage out". <br><br>In that case, it should be a simple matter to devise some experiments to see if the results are consistent with our hypothesis. One experiment would involve making internal changes in one's attitude and behaviour, monitoring any commensurate changes in one's surroundings, and then noting how such changes in one's external reality in turn, further transform one's inner reality, and so on.<br><br>By the way, a deceptively simple but brilliant novel that discusses this very process, is Paulo Cuelho's "The Alchemist". I cannot recommend it enough.<br><br>Within the vast sea of humanity, there are approximately 6 billion living stories, not to mention the knowledge encoded in every rock, plant, river and star. If everything is part of the One, then men and women who struggle for enlightenment in incredibly diverse ways, in the far-flung corners of the world, will have more common principles and ideas than disparities. In any case, learning about the experiences of others who have struggled for enlightenment could be inspirational or on the other hand, provide valuable warnings about some of the dangers others have met.<br><br>Interestingly, "light" is one metaphor for truth, wisdom and God that is common to all religions and philosophies. One property of light is that, not only does it allow one to see things that were formerly hidden, but its source is very difficult to hide. Light does not need to DO anything, nor to persuade -- just by existing, it makes the darkness fade and attracts those who want to see.<br><br>Maybe if more people understood "spreading the gospel" to mean "being a light" or providing through their own behaviour living proof of the truth of their beliefs, the false dichotomy that too often divides faith in God from Love, would not exist.<br><br>The question would therefore never be: are you a Christian? Jew? Muslim? Buddhist?<br><br>but would be:<br>"Do you glow?" <p></p><i></i>
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Kudos....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:10 pm

Well written commentary, Alice. Definitely food for thought. Thank you for that post.<br><br>Brother Floyd<br> <p></p><i></i>
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AlicetheCurios' Motives....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:01 pm

Alice, I have read, and re-read your post. It was food for thought, but here is where you and I definitely part ways on "this mortal coil".<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If by a Christian, you mean someone who believes that Jesus is God's only begotten Son, born through immaculate conception with the Virgin Mary, who suffered and died on the cross for our sins and was miraculously resurrected on the third day, then that is one thing.<br><br>If by a Christian you mean someone who believes that "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind", and "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself", "on these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets", well, that is something very different.<br><br>Speaking from personal experience, one can fit a definition of "Christian" without necessarily fitting the other.<br><br>Sorry if it offends your sensibilities, Floyd, but the first definition means nothing to me. The second, on the other hand, I find infinitely intriguing.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No, it's not something very different. You may, under grace, and free will, believe anything you choose. You may accept Jesus as the Christ, or merely a very good teacher, or feel "free" to reject ANY of the writings preserved in what is familiarly known as the Holy Bible.<br><br>What you MAY NOT do, is pick and choose amongst the sweet-sounding, neighbor-loving verses, REJECT the only begotten virgin-born Son of God, as sacrificial Saviour of all mankind, and then, ATTEMPT to pass yourself off as a Christian. That just won't wash, except in far too many seeker-friendly, apostate churches in existence today.<br><br>You're not offending my sensibilities here, Alice; according to the Holy Bible, your position is offending the Almighty, Holy God. But if your personal beliefs make you feel all warm and goodly inside, why, by all means, cling closely to them. I'm sure that somehow, some way, they'll make you feel real good when it's time to die. I know my beliefs do.<br><br>Again, according to Holy Scripture, you can't "experiment" with God. You may either accept everything He has said to us through the Bible, or reject it. The Bible expressly forbids having anything to do with "wizards, witches, alchemy, contact with the dead, uttering curses in God's name, unless you were one of his "called" prophets, and many other aspects of "magick" as so-revered by far too many members of this benighted board.<br><br>Even our gracious host, Jeff, has vowed not to fool with it, but only to study its effects on our world and our society by its "dark side" practitioners. Would that he would "rigously intuit" exactly WHY he, and the rest of us, should NOT fool with that stuff. You must admit, however, that even if you personally disagree with my "wallpaper", it is probably more entertaining (or even enlightening) than a few other recent posters here at R.I.<br><br>I DID, however take careful note of the fact that you said that you find your second stated position on Jesus, and his teachings to be infinitely intriguing, not believable, nor did you state your personal belief in the 2nd position. Only that you were intrigued. How lovely and gracious of you.<br><br>Go in Peace, Live Long and Prosper,<br>Respectfully Submitted for Your Perusal,<br>Alexander F. Mutter, BA, D,s.b.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=floydsmoots>Floyd Smoots</A> at: 2/22/06 7:12 pm<br></i>
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