Evil, imagined

[biaothanatoi]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But humans have been known to succumb to irrational and delusional panics. From the witch trials to some of the baseless SRA cases, the historical record is pretty clear and cautionary.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>"Moral panic" is crap precisely because it only describes the "media" or "public" response to an issue - it doesn't tell us anything about that issue. You can't speak to the facts of the witch trials or RA through the lens of "moral panic" because it doesn't have coverage of the "truth" - only representations of it.<br><br>The problem with the conept of "moral panic" is that, in it's current use (and the way you have used it), it conflates the social construction of a problem with the problem. "There is a media beat-up about SRA" becomes "SRA is a moral panic" becomes "SRA is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>only</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a moral panic".<br><br>At which point, you've not only into a logical fallacy but the dialectic of denial that Cohen sees coalescing around the use of "moral panic". <br><br>"Moral panic" basically says that issue "X" is socially constructed by the media, therefore it is not real. It's ridiculous. ALL problems are socially constructed. Our understanding of the AIDS virus is socially constructed - it has been named and defined in a specific way by "experts", that view is disseminated through the media, etc - but that doesn't mean that "AIDS" is totally arbitrary and has no basis in fact.<br><br>Prima faci claims about "the historical record" aren't useful either - just statements of faith and nothing more. <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=biaothanatoi@rigorousintuition>biaothanatoi</A> at: 7/26/06 11:17 pm<br></i>

[Jill Burdigala]

I really do not mean to single out anyone in my response, and I don't disagree with the tenor of the comments here. But please consider...<br><br>Which Powers That Be/Mind Warfare/Co-opted Media instructed the Pennsylvania frontier militia to murder the Christian Delawares at Schoenbrunn?<br><br>Which Powers That Be/Mind Warfare/Co-opted Media persuaded the Delawares to torture militia colonel William Crawford to death at Sandusky?<br><br>Who murdered and ate the Pueblo Indians?<br><br>Which Powers That Be/Mind Warfare/Co-opted Media genocided the Neanderthals?<br><br>I fear there is something deeper and more essential in all this. <p></p><i></i>

[biaothanatoi]

Jill, your post is pretty ambiguous. What are you trying to suggest?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Jill Burdigala]

Who knows? I am drunk. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Who murdered and ate the Pueblo Indians?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>huh? <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[Jill Burdigala]

Perhaps I meant to say the Anasazi... I honestly can't recall at the moment, and I apologize for the sloppiness of my thought .... I am referring to the culture who built the pueblo cities in the American Southwest, and then vanished.<br><br>Some years ago the anthropologist Christie Turner postulated that this culture disintegrated in the face of some horrific assault, perhaps from a gang of psycopathic murderers or a traveling Mexican death cult. His theory was based on the observation that in a number of instances the archaeological evidence indicated that the inhabitants of the pueblos had been violently killed and their remains had been stirred in a cooking pot. Subsequent analysis of a human coprolite defecated into one of the murder scenes indicated that the person who extruded it had indeed consumed human flesh. <p></p><i></i>

[Jill Burdigala]

My point, of course -- and this is in response to biaothanatoi's question too -- is that whoever killed the Anasazi wasn't instigated to it by psyops or media manipulation or the masons or shadow governments or anything else -- there is a fundamental streak of cruel evil in humankind that gets a kick out of beating up on whoever it can. I don't pretend that this is an original thought at all, but I think that sometimes we tend to lose sight of it... we spend so much time trying to figure out the identity of the virtuoso that we don't realize that the violin would go on playing itself without him. Not as perfectly, perhaps, but the screeching of the strings would still be heard. <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

slimmouse has suggested we focus in why strange folks do this.<br>profpan has flagged up mis-carriage of justice <br>Jill if I understand correctly, is focusing on the evil in humankind (as a whole?)<br>Well. usually I post to demand that we focus on justice, because, until perps in enough numbers are proceeded against, what we have to say about their motivation and psychology is merely speculation. A second result of no justice and the culture of denial epitomised by the phrase 'moral panic' is that, like Morgellans sufferers, survivors get ridicule not treatment. Many many survivors are raised from early childhood with extreme cruelty. Why don't they become cruelAlice Millers excellent article, on the effects of cruelty in childhood on perp psychology, doesn't look at this aspect. We will never NEVER have the info we need to make a kinder world, if we don't first bring the perps to justice. And, need I say PP, that the widespread refusal to investigate with any seriousness, rape, torture and murder, is mis-carriage of justice on a monumental scale. <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

a small example. again, amongst the testimony thrown up in the dutroux affair, a lawyer, in line to become a magistrate. never questioned, no house search, no dna, no follow up of leads. yet entirely separate winesses linking him with 'cages'<br>presumably we will never get to know if this man's dna is amongst the samples taken from the places Dutroux's child victims were imprisoned. How happy are you to think of this man leading investigations into crime, or sitting in judgement on others?<br>think it only concerns Belgium? One part of one statement concerns his interest in videos imported from the States showing black children in cages, tortured and burnt. Someone makes and distributes these images. They are not 'moral panic' .<br>He links with the club owner, (who imports vids by way of Sweden and Switzerland, using a club member with a private plane,) whose neo tantra org. moved its HQ from his club. Other HQ? the address of a man brought to trial after 30 years of photographing dead children. He did not act alone. He also photographed live children. This also is not moral panic or a witch hunt. <br>Since these men were protected in order to protect yet more highly placed individuals, and since the background is ultimately blackmail which facilitates the grand evils of arms dealing, war mongering and massacre for profit, we should be concerned, and not spend all of our time navel gazing and wondering about humanity's propensity for evil in general. there is another kind of war on - and we are targets. <p></p><i></i>