by havanagilla » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:10 pm
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Oh, and I think that a hypnotically induced state and an alter are pretty close relatives, so probably your experiences, Hava, are directly similar to hers.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I am not sure. Cause an alter, from what I read, is a part that has some permanence and a "trait" other than being manipulated. Namely, suppose they put you on a hypontism entertainment show and made you eat onion and say its yummie, then this is not an alter doing it. its the same person, being manipulated to do something and disengage from his or her normal bodily/mental faculties. This is MORE the kind of situation I felt happening with me. Certainly, in long situations of manipulations (the intense long periods are during "action", around 2-3 months at the most), perhaps a "second persona" sort of developes figuratively, because there is a longer "plot" than just eating an onion. But this does not make is an "alter" as I read the accounts.<br>--<br>I do believe though that there are layers of programms, with different people playing different roles in it, as "triggers", and this could resemble the alter model. ONce in the program, I would "play the hypnotized role" and then in a different setting, maybe with a friend or family, I will try to pick up my "authentic self", and this would create a semblence of "alters", or two personalities. But in reality, FOR ME< there is always just ME, but there is a whole set of events and reality that is being played out in the dark and that I am ordered to "ignore" and also remain silent about it. Since I was a very successful robot, I think, my situation was reaching a level of <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>induced schizophrenia</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, but not split personality and alters. This is how I feel about it. I am open to let someone show me how under some cue, I speak under another name and different voice etc. I doubt it, but I would not be surprised if it happened too. Anything is possible.<br><br>The name issue, has some resonance with me. When I started looking for help, as I said earlier somewhere, I fell as many do, in the hands of a Rabbi who is right wing, fundie, ultra orthodox who was also into "mysticism and kabala" etc. He was using me of course, but I think this was also his sincere way of acting, as he was using ALL his pupils and groupies, he REALLY believed he was a messenger of god or something.<br>He suggested that I add a middle name (this is common Jewish practice for people who almost died, to add a name with a good meaning, and also to "change your bad luck"), and he assigned names as all gurus do in the process of brainwashing. The name he chose was Yael (in the bible, she is the lady who seduced Sisra sexually, and then after the do the deed, she stabs him to death with a sharp rod, straight in the brain). It is interesting to choose this name for an MC victims with sexual slavery history, namely, seducing important people from aboard etc. etc.. He had a nice intuition, but in the wrong direction. So, you could say he captured the nature of the main "alter", and named it, but that's as far as I can go with alters.<br><br>--<br>Since this thread was about Illuminati, I want to process my Rothchild experience, just for the sake of self expression and verablizing a bizarre idea that was at one point disturbing me. As I said, I never heard of Rothchild as in "lizards luciferians NWO" before I started reading Illuminati stuff, to access my own programming. It was a bit disturbing, as I said to find out that my paternal grandfather was sponsored by Edmund De Rothchild and possibly went to France for a few months, at his expense to study Agriculture. When I read about these clearly Antisemitic stuff, I was working P/t at a project sponsored by the Foundatoin of the Estate of Edmund de Rothchild (Yad Hanadiv foundation, In Israel), in developing an educational program for youth, re civic studies. As it turned out the same project was for some reason sub project of Offek, The Israeli satelite project (part of the Isralei "space" shit). I did think it was bizarre, but then the manager told me that it was just for bureaucratic reasons, or funding. <br>--<br>Anyway, I have to say it WAS CREEPY to read about it and see some personal connections that might be totally immaterial (since this Rothchild funds a lot of stuff here). I thought it was SYMBOLIC of a certain reality, sort of metaphoric clue for me. That a lot of those bad things happen by association with rich people, at least in my life that was the case. One tends to overlook the interests of philantropists, but that's a spiritual lesson as well. Surely, a very rich person who "sponsors" scholarship, settlements, satelite and what not, has a gain interest, and these people are not santa claus. So, I am saying all this, to indicate that the way I read the Illuminati stuff is like reading almost a random flow of associations coming from external source which is very critical and perhaps even projecting their own malice on Jews or whatever, but as a stream of associations, it is useful, sometimes.<br>--<br>Now DE, as for the situation you are describing, it does sound like there is something deeper than the usual family crap. it doesn't have to be MC, it could also be a "family secret" relating to the parents of her mother. Crap usual skips one generation, it jumps, sometimes it would jump from a mother to her sister's kids etc. Debbie could be carrying something from the maternal mother, and if so, her mother would psychicly treat her as if she were HER mother, instead of her daughter. This is done automatically. Or it could be Debbie's aunt or paternal mother. <br><br>--<br>My mother, when she is really "in touch with herself" starts talking to me as if I were HER MOTHER (who is dead for a long time now) and she really gets pissed off when I remind her that I am her daughter, because she really feels the need to process stuff with her mother. I don't know why she chose me to take over, but there is a physical affinity, for instance all our family has green/gray (very pale eyes), and I inheritted my maternal grandmothers BROWN eyes (it skipped my mother), and my forehead, with those brown eyes are a dulplicate of her mother's face, and this was probably so from my birth. And there might other features. But it gets worse now when she is getting senile and old, and a widow, the moment she hears my voice or sees me, she starts a conversation with her mother, and I am supposed to play along, the gist of it, is how deprived she was and how I (now she returns to the present, I as in her daughter) is to be blamed and I need to compensate for that. She gets really pissed off when i just say "hey. I am YOUR DAUGHTER, remeber, YOU ARE MY mother ???" she would say something like "I am really tired of this conversation now"...and become very cross.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
