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Postby Avalon » Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:37 pm

If you are a registered member (and all current participants are, since Jeff required it for participation),<br>just click on the person's name by their posting. It will take you to the page where you can send a private message.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Private messages

Postby Dreams End » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:08 am

hmmm<br><br>Debbie's mom called awhile ago. Wants to talk to Debbie's therapist. I asked if it was about new info or just her perspective on stuff people already know. She said just her perspective, but it's still significant. <p></p><i></i>
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thanks avalon

Postby blanc » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:36 am

but it didn't and the few times I have tried in the past it hasn't. <p></p><i></i>
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just tried again

Postby blanc » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:47 am

clicking systematically on each item which came up and each follow through - nothing resembling an e address or box to type in appears. never mind, maybe dreams has gone off the idea anyway. <p></p><i></i>
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step by step

Postby Avalon » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:48 am

At the beginning of Dreams End's posting you should see this:<br><br>Dreams End<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 1435<br>(3/12/06 10:08 pm)<br>Reply <br><br>Clicking on the "Dreams End" there should get you to his profile page, with a choice to click "My Inbox :: Send me a message" in the My Contact Information section.<br><br>This will get you to an EZBoard screen for you to log in (link at the very bottom), if you aren't already logged in.<br><br>And then... er, you may have to wait until EzBoard deals with which ever glitch has come up, since it wasn't letting me log in at that screen either!<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: step by step

Postby Dreams End » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:05 pm

EZboard was weird yesterday. I could post, but only because my browser automatically filled in the username and password....I actually was NOT logged in and didn't notice. I went back to the main page which lists all the different categories here and logged in from there. I think they simply bump everyone off so you'll have to do this sometimes to look at the advertisements. By the way, when you get to the ads, down at the bottom right it says "no thanks". First time I had to do that I thought you HAD to go through all the ads to get back here.<br><br>yes, blanc, any and all info is welcome. <p></p><i></i>
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ez bozo

Postby blanc » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:14 pm

can't get through - must have jinxed it.<br><br>will try to think of alternative.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ez bozo

Postby Dreams End » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:19 pm

blanc,<br><br>I just sent my email to you as a PM. From the main board (the one that lists the topics) you should see "EZ Inbox" on the top right and hopefully a "1 New Message" in bold print.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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"any information"

Postby blanc » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:40 am

Dreams; no such thing appears on my screen.<br><br>I don't know if any of the info/experience I have would help you, how to select the bits that might, how to talk to you without compromising my relationship with the survivors and/or their personal safety.<br><br>Here's a synopsis of how I got here. (name and place name changes)<br><br>I support Barbara and Sally who were abused in childhood. I didn't choose this, I was thrown into it because of circs. They became ill when memories kicked in about 6 years ago. I don't suppose I need to justify this here, but for the record, their detailed description of specific scenarios tallied precisely, when they were several thousand miles apart and not in contact. Also many odd/bizarre/disturbing events from the abuse period fell in to place. One such was a one off flash back I had had at the time, which I then could not recognise or explain and told to no-one. This tallied also. So as they started to recall there were many 'how could I have been so blind' times. I went along the police report path. I was baffled and incredulous at the blatant stifling and cover up, and kept taking it higher. At same time, because via old friend, ritual abuse came into my vocabulary, I started researching, came across the paperclip/mkultra/mc/organised crime/ historic cases info and along another orute the what happens to the brain in trauma info, and on a third route the psychotropic drug info especially memory blocking and muscle paralysing ones. <br><br>barbara was briefly sectioned in the country she was in, then disappeared. A year of pure hell followed in which my pension plan went down the pan and I found out how the families of hostages feel day by day and night by night. Eventually, with help, she was found and came to the uk.<br><br>the national health service is crap and the psych services the poor relation. She wandered the country, turning up in police stations and emergency rooms at intervals, the people who brought her there and me trying to get her help. Eventually she lighted upon an emergency room where the resident psych and his consultant had the wit and decency, and I suppose the resources, to recognise that she was desperately ill. She was sectioned. I gave them a letter outlining the facts. <br><br>By then I had learned of the minefield psychs tread through if they try to admit the existence of ritual abuse trauma at the basis of a patients illness, and settled for a nod and a wink type understanding of what I was going on about. a different diagnosis triggered a whole lot more help.<br><br>By this time I had joined a supporters group. This mainly helps in comparing experiences about symptoms and their underlying causes, and experiences of police cover ups. <br><br>example. biao flagged up a few months ago a crisis linked to weird piece of sadism around menstrual blood. finding that this is common in survivor accounts tells us a. that it is fairly clearly real experience and b. that the perps link in some way. a different example - I was introduced to the carer of Lilly who was abused in Wretchdale around 10 years prior to Barbara, and subsequently followed in her home town by vehicles like those used in barbaras case. I learnt by chance that Lilly had suffered an unusual, very bizarre torture, which was pretty identical to one performed on Sally at age 7 , same town.<br><br>I have other examples, that is enough to give you an idea.<br><br>I concluded from the nature of these tortures that a purpose is to fuck up every aspect of a person's life, so that no normal activity, words or phrases are abuse free, all are subconsciously linked to abuse. this makes it difficult to live outside the controlling abusing group, makes the survivor incompetent or ill and difficult to live with.<br><br>2 specific suicide methods were programmed in to both Barbara and sally. Neither of them the exit of choice.<br><br>Sally was told 'if you remember you will go mad, everyone will think you are schizophrenic' There is nothing haphazard about this process. images and scenarios are chozen to make the survivor who tells seem as wacky as possible.<br><br>Once I had exhausted the search for justice route and been labelled a fantasist, and the lie told to support that hypothesis trotted out at ministerial level, I began to dream about establishing a database. With another group member I started trying to find links in survivor accounts, instead of waiting for them to hit me in the teeth, and research public records for info on alleged perps. <br><br>I am quite focused on a second account. That of Helen, who was taken in or sold on to a group early teens, after an abusive childhood in the house of a pimp and prostitute. Her story would make a stone statue weep. Because of the identity of 2 of the perps and their real life jobs, and because of part of what is done at their 'parties', I suspect medical experimentation. but as yet have no proof. ( will I ever have?) Hovering in the background of this shower is a public figure with a dubious history and a professional link to these 2 perps. Her hubby links in some way to wretchdale, and one of these perps may link to one of the wretchdale perps - not yet established. one of the 2 cases in a jeff post about pos. masonic links with murdered British children links with Helens case. Barbara abd Sally have a different public figure hovering in the background. He came from the same political stable as the lady and mate above, like hubby has done time. his raison d'etre was large bung arms deals and general fixing.<br><br>I bug a couple of posters here who have had these guys in their sights for any scraps of info to chuck in this soup simmering on the back boiler. I try to extend a hand to any other survivors or carers who appear on this board, try to spread the word so that others may be more alert than I was 20 years ago and better protect themselves and those they love, and generally try to stay around to support barbara and sally.<br><br>do illuminati theories throw any light on this - I don't think so. Is it linked with a political agenda - much evidence for that, but with the caveat that what conspirators do is conspire WITH and AGAINST each other. Lower echelons are encouraged to think there is an all seeing all powerful cartel, I think its a dogfight over the mauled corpse of our democratic hopes.<br><br>so, what was it you wanted know? can I help at all? <br>biao has an email for me. I give permish for you to have it if he could pass it to you. <p></p><i></i>
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email

Postby blanc » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:02 am

or if this is not pos. I'll go to an internet caff and create an account and put it on here. cheers. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: email

Postby Dreams End » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:44 am

Yeah, I'm going to set up an email account just for this kind of thing. Have to do it later.<br><br>Posting a separate thread about something happening..please see "harrassing phone calls?"<br><br>Thanks. Either this stuff is real or some very sane sounding people are completely nuts.<br><br>You sound like the former, but I hope you are the latter...no offense. <br><br>I'm completely bifurcated. I keep my "paranoid" side separate from my skeptic side. I keep all my RA research (for now) to myself, and meanwhile I try to deal (again, for now) with the more prosaic aspects of this.<br><br>Thanks for your help. Still don't know what's going on...but if it IS like what you found....well, rest assured, I will not back down.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: email

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:01 pm

It's incredibly rare for me to read accounts from people who know what this is like - the psychological crisis, the constant rollercoaster of revelations and numbing and fear and flashbacks is more then enough. <br><br>And as for the 'disappearances' - It's an awful feeling to be unable to act when you know - at that very moment - a loved one is being hurt, and that when/if you find her, there will be no medical, psychological or police support.<br><br>So thanks to both Blanc and DE for having the guts to tell their stories here, but above all, the integrity to stick by survivors in times of crisis. In my experience, most people run a mile.<br><br>DE, I'll pass Blanc's email to you via Ezboard.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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nuts huh!

Postby blanc » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:49 am

when I got called a fantasist by a detective in wretchdale police force to a private detective searching for info on a child about whom I had info (reported back to me ) my nearest and dearest fell about laughing. "anyone less of a fantasist than you", he said "would be hard to find". I am far too plodding an intellect and fond of a peaceful existence to make this stuff up. Could I but return to a life of getting gardening books out of the library, re-running Ealing comedies, and occasionally getting steamed up about the location of bus-stops. <p></p><i></i>
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nothin' to see here, folks

Postby Dreams End » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:02 pm

As I think about it, each step in the chain can be explained in more prosaic, less suspicious terms. Not the DID...that is what it is. And not whether there was some kind of abuse...that is clear.<br><br>But the triggering email...her mom says she simply hadn't scrolled through all the text...the layout would make that a possibility as Debbie didn't notice it until I pointed it out (making ME the trigger...probably not the last time.)<br><br>The weird phone calls from a non-existant area code...could easily be a telemarketer or, more probably, a debt collector (with bad contact info) using a spoofing protocol.<br><br>The fact that the full moon seems to have some impact...well, Debbie's menstrual cycle is also in sync with it, so the week before the full moon = PMS.<br><br>So, each individual step so easily "debunked." I know people have more direct evidence (not even including memories). Surely, if someone had done a blood and paintbrush job on our bedroom or Debbie disappeared for awhile (not wishing that...of course) there'd be clear evidence. <br><br>So I stay in a twilight area. Open to the possibilities but never a smoking gun. And I think I won't have one....but what I will have is a few patterns that IF memories emerge that show something beyond abuse by a crazy mom, will help make some sense of it all. But I will need to keep it to myself for now, or risk needlessly freaking her out at best or discrediting myself as a support person at worst. <br><br>And I'll keep researching....I just thought I'd clarify that I need to remain skeptical to balance my overeagerness to leap to conclusions to explain a very mysterious condition and to find bad guys. So I welcome respectful debunking along the way, as well as well informed cautions about what perps might actually be up to. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: nothin' to see here, folks

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:28 pm

Just be careful. This has to be very wearing on you. That can be very risky for you, and it may not be helpful to Debbie in the longrun. <p></p><i></i>
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