Henry Kissinger and the Holy Grail?

by **Qutb** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:27 pm

"How much of the anti-globalist protest movement actually tracks back to these sorts of funders/manipulators? what is their goal in stirring up anti-globalization? How does this advance their agenda?" It's interesting to note that Goldsmith's IFG issues a <a href="http://www.ifg.org/analysis/wto/NAMAenv.html" target="top">joint statement</a> with Friends of the Earth about the WTO. FotE is an environmental group I've had suspicions about. Seriously, just the name is a giveaway. Anyway, they write: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> World Trade Organization (WTO) campaigners are calling for immediate international action to derail any agreement at the WTO meetings in Geneva from 27-29 July, 2004. In an effort to recover from the WTO's collapse in Cancun last September, trade ministers are trying to lock-in a framework agreement to revive the Doha round of negotiations. If they can agree on a "July Package," it would establish a dangerous structure for any future WTO talks. However, if they fail to agree, even U.S. Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick fears that, "I do not know whether it will be revived."(1)<hr></blockquote> Is it a coincidence that the Goldsmiths et al. would call for "immediate international action to derail any agreement at the WTO" at a time when Southern nations, led by Brazil and India, are gaining influence in the organization? The US seems to be abandoning the WTO for this very reason, prefering instead to strongarm weak countries into bilateral trade agreements on terms favorable to America. Just an idea, as to what the agenda might be here. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **glubglubglub** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:31 pm

Dreams End: no way of knowing how much of the various anti-war/anti-glob/etc movements' funding ultimately traces back to the funders/manipulators in question...but my guess is it's something like this: parties A and B both benefit from globalization, although how much and at what ratio to each other is variable...suppose B benefits more than A should glob. proceed unchecked, all else ceteris paribus. Then A funds a counter-glob movement as a bargaining chip against B: narrow the gap between our respective payoffs come full glob. and I'll agree to call off my dogs, so to speak. Given the number of major and minor players, the number of checks and counterchecks they have in place are probably legion, and make themselves manifest to folks at our level as just another sketchy political cult or org. with shady origins.

by **slimmouse** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:44 pm

Wow, a whole page of sophisticated links and misquotes - The usual Icke busting LMAO. The very stuff that stopped me reading for myself !!! Right here on this free thinking forum lol. Funny. I was waiting for it to swing into gear, and swing into gear it did. Oh, and DE, btw, ever wonder why Icke left the green party ? Or had you heard he was "kicked out" ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **proldic** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:47 pm

InPlaneSight...now David Icke? You've got to be kidding me. What's up with your common-sense? Check your context, dude

by **slimmouse** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:50 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Check your context, dude<hr></blockquote> Tell you what buddy. You sit in your reality based illusion, and I'll sit in my reality based illusion. I aint the guy trying to do the censoring and ridiculing here. Hows that <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> ?

by **Dreams End** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I aint the guy trying to do the censoring and ridiculing here.<hr></blockquote> Can someone PLEASE put up a sticky that explains that if posters disagree with you it is not "censorship." I get tired of repeating it. slimmouse, do your posts appear on this board? Are any missing? Someone asked for opinions on Icke. ASKED FOR THEM. And we are giving them. If you want to respond by explaining how the Jews as shapeshifting reptiles who rule the world is an intellectually rigorous theory, please do so. I'd actually be interested since all the articles I read online for Icke did not have any sourcing whatsoever. But don't whine about censorship...

by **slimmouse** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If you want to respond by explaining how the Jews as shapeshifting reptiles who rule the world is an intellectually rigorous theory,<hr></blockquote> Well, I think that if that very sentence, is anything to go by - Banding "Jews" collectively together as a unique category of Shapeshifting reptiles - is an intellectually rigorous debunking tool , then I guess thats your baby too. Talk about a completely pathetic misrepresentation of his overall thoughts and opinions. Not to mention mine. About par for the course in fact. The very same rubbish that stopped me reading him in the first place. And like I said, having got three chapters into one book I suddenly understood why. Go figure. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 9/28/05 3:19 pm

by **robertdreed** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:18 pm

On the topic of Hitler's ancestry- an earlier source of the rumor that Hitler was related to the Rothschilds is Fritz Thyssen, one of Hitlers early backers, and the author of I Paid Hitler, a sort of self-exculpatory work by an author who isn't necessarily of the highest credibility. The rumor was repeated in the book Facts and Fascism, by the famed George Seldes, a muckraking journalist of impeccable anti-fascist credentials. Quoting Seldes: "Curiously enough, no less than an authority than Fritz Thyssen, the man who bought and paid for the Nazi Party, believes the rumor that Hitler is Jewish. Every official trace of evidence concerning Hitler's ancestry has now disappeared. It has been destroyed by order, just as were Mussolini's police record in Italy and his record for forgery in Switzerland (as well as his political arrests.) However, Thyssen writes: "According to published records, Hitler's grandmother had an illegitimate son, and this son was to become the father of Germany's present leader." An inquiry by Chancellor Dollfuss of Austria "disclosed that the Fuehrer's grandmother had become pregnant as a servant in a Viennese family...none other than Baron Rothschild." Thyssen insists that Hitler learened of the document and that it was one of the reasons for the murder of Dollfuss. Thyssen believes that the British secret service has a copy. The original, he says, Hitler got from Chancellor Schuschnigg and destroyed..." Bear in mind, all there is there is a rumor. But it does demonstrate that the rumor was around as early as 1943, perhaps even earlier. I don't recall whether the rumor is included in Thyssen's book, it's been a long while since I read it.

by **proldic** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:28 pm

i don't know if this is the 100% appropriate way to discuss this, but let's take for the sake of argument your point that Icke is credible: Isn't the fact that hundreds-of-thousands of your more "reality-based" fellow citizens will reject you as Slimmouse the credible individual based on your associating yourself with what they consider bullshit? Does that matter to you, or are they just sheeple because they refuse to believe it? I mean, I've got no agenda against revealing physical evidence (although, as a prosecutor, I would have no problem prioritizing what is called "Best Evidence" to convince the jury). I'm telling you, it's not going to convince the jury. What am I missing? I've thoroughly followed the InPlaneSight controversy from the beginning. How could anyone defend that video? And Icke? Do I need to exchange with someone who does? Honestly, I care...up to a point. I mean, I must not have been paying attention, but if that's what you're bringing to the table, why not just go down and get a job opening Borders Bookstores everywhere? Ever seen their "Conspiracy" section?

by **israelirealities** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:33 pm

The Haj Amin El Husseini story..the context is interesting and exemplifies some of the ISraeli-Palestinian conflict. First you have some general allegations about Jews being actually behind the Nazis, and the response is that Palestinians are worse, or were more friendly with Nazis. How is that helpful ? The truth is that during WW2 many weird coalitions were born. PArt of the Jewish righg wing movement and underground Lehi, also had some Nazi/Fascist leaning and ties, and naturally the PAlestinians who felt the Brits are against them, looked for mutual interests against UK. However, I suspect the Nazis didn't like the Arabs as much as didn't like the JEws. Antisemitism was always more of a European/white folks issue. It is also very Euro-centric to indulge in those long debates over who is more Nazified, rather than deal with the realities of the people involved there in the conflict, which is actually inflamed and created today by the Western world. Responses here correspond with the usual tendency to objectify the people over there, and use them as "metaphores" or "pawns" in a game, whether war game or mind game. Icke has some good ideas, but then he goes an extra mile with the sci fi that puts many people off. Being a human being, is in fact being a shapeshifting reptile in a way. The reptilian brain, the survival chakra if you will, is something we don't have full access to, yet, (except through "magic" or "shamanism" or "religious practices"). The Jews perhaps exemplify this human trait to a point that makes it scary. INdeed Jerusalem is considered the "Survival Chakra" of the world, metaphorically, and so a lot of "reptilian, basic instinct, survival mind" will manifest there, and in the Jews as well. I am amzed to see how much energy is invested in this issue of Palestine/Israel, on a very abstract level.

by **Qutb** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:34 pm

I'm intrigued by the possibility that Hitler may have been a Rothschild, even though the probability is slim... Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **slimmouse** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:52 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I've thoroughly followed the InPlaneSight controversy from the beginning. How could anyone defend that video? And Icke? Do I need to exchange with someone who does? Honestly, I care...up to a point. I mean, I must not have been paying attention, but if that's what you're bringing to the table<hr></blockquote> OK heres the deal. I am in a privileged situation where I can REACH ordinary people re 9/11 and other issues. How do you suggest in 45 minutes that I attempt to take people down one floor of the rabbit hole ? Sit there rabbitting and lecturing, or show them something short and sharp, and then ask them to GO away and think for themselves ? Check out whats been shown and whats been said and make their own minds up ? Include within that the fact that many within the 9/11 truth movement ( which the average joe probably hasnt even heard about ) have their doubts over the vid. My own thoughts on the vid ? To be 100% honest with ya, and having seen for myself that its largely the PO crowd who are doing the debunking ,then Im rapidly approaching the point where I consider it to be 95% accurate at least. When was the last time you saw it ? Does it not include priceless pearls of fact to present to a first time audience, such as Bush lying about the first plane hitting the first tower, Silverstein talking about pulling building 7, the anomalies regarding flight 93 - so excellently expanded upon on here by John Doe 2 recently ? I can remember asking this board for a better way of getting the message across. I will now ask you personally. Im not being unreasonable. Im a broad church. What I dont like is being ridiculed, when ridicule of ANY opinion is NOT what this forum should be about ! As for Icke, I spent 3 years reading from a thousand different sources, pieces of infomation - FACTS - That you and I would readily agree upon, and then found 75% of what Id taken 3 years to learn, repeated in a single Icke book ! And hey waddya also know, The more I read ( such as Backsters work with plants etc) The more I realise where Ive heard this stuff before. The point is that Icke always gets the Reptilian shapeshifting stuff thrown at him, along with all those who read his work, when in fact, that is something like 2% of his overall message. How does that work exactly ? How do we get a full page and a half of Icke debunking on here, going into meticulous depth quoting various people, half of whom are misquoting and misrepresenting Ickes opinions themselves ? Make of that what you will, but the rest of his stuff his RIGHT on the money ! And hey guess what Proldic ? I TELL people about Ickes weird shapeshifting theories and all the rest of it. And despite doing so ,guess who's books I Sell the most of ?

by **Dreams End** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:43 pm

Let's let Icke tell it: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>THE REPTILIAN CONNECTION By David Icke If you are new to my work, the most bizarre information you will find on this site is that concerning the reptilian connection. I understand that. It is quite something to absorb from our conditioned version of reality. But, then, that is the very point. If you want to keep something from the people, give them a version of reality and possibility that is so far from what is really going on that even if the truth comes to light it will seem far too ludicrous and extreme for most people to believe it. Indeed, if you do your job well enough, the people will laugh at the truth, call it insane, and ridicule anyone who promotes it. To truly understand how all the information on this site fits together into one coherent whole (which it does), you really need to read my book, The Biggest Secret. But for those who have not yet done so, here is some basic background. Please remember, however, that in the book there is an enormous amount of information to support what I am about to say. When I reached the point some years ago where I had put together the structure through which a few people control the direction of the world (see And The Truth Shall Set You Free), it was clear that this network of secret societies and covert groups manipulating global politics, business, banking, military, media, and so on, could not have been put together in a few years or decades. It had to go back a very long time. So I began to trace it back into what we call history. I did this in the knowledge that, for some reason, bloodline and genetics were vitally important to these manipulators, the Illuminati or Illuminated ones - illuminated into knowledge that the public never see. I followed the trail back comfortably to the time of the Crusades in the Middle East, the 12th and 13th centuries, that kind of period, and on it went far back into the ancient world and pre-history. There, all over the planet, you find the ancient legends and accounts of "gods" from another world who interbred with humanity to create a hybrid network of bloodlines. The Old Testament, for example, talks about the "Sons of God" who interbred with the daughters of men to create the hybrid race, the Nefilim. Before it was translated into English, that passage read "the sons of the gods", plural. But the Bible accounts are only one of so many that describe the same theme. The Sumerian clay tablets, found in what we now call Iraq in the middle of the 19th century, tell a similar story. It is estimated they were buried around 2,000 BC, but the stories they tell go back long before that. The tablets talk of a race of "gods" from another world who brought advanced knowledge to the planet and interbred with humans to create hybrid bloodlines. These "gods" are called in the tablets, the "Anunnaki", which apparently translates as "those who from heaven to earth came." The ancient accounts tell us that these hybrid bloodlines, the fusion of the genes of selected humans with those of the "gods", were put into the positions of ruling royal power, especially in the ancient Near and Middle East, in advanced cultures like Sumer, Babylon, and Egypt. But it happened elsewhere, also, as you will find, for example, in the amazing information provided on this site by the African Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, and in the incredible Credo videos, Reptilian Agenda, parts one and two. He tells the same story from the black African tradition that I have uncovered elsewhere in the world. The accounts of the "serpent race" in ancient cultures are simply endless wherever you look and the serpent, reptilian, symbolism in relation to the Anunnaki and other versions of these "gods" is equally widespread. We see this in the Bible, for instance, with the serpent in the "Garden of Eden"- a story which clearly comes from the Sumerian accounts, as does the story of Moses in the bulrushes, a story told about a Sumerian king long before the Bible. This is why I found it so astounding when I was told by Zecharia Sitchin, the best-known translator of the Sumerian tablets, that there was no evidence of a serpent race in the ancient world. Of course there is. He also strongly advised me in relation to the serpent race…"Don't go there". Why, when the evidence, ancient and modern, is so enormous? From these bloodlines has come the origin of the "divine right of kings", the belief that only certain bloodlines have the god-given right to rule. In truth this is not the "divine" or "God" at all. It is the right to rule from the reptilian "gods" by way of your hybrid genetics. These bloodlines later became the royal and aristocratic families of Europe and, thanks to the "Great" British Empire and the other European empires, they were exported to the Americas, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and right across into the Far East, where they connected with other reptilian hybrid bloodlines, like those, most obviously, in China, where the symbolism of the dragon is the very basis of their culture. These reptilian-human hybrid lines became the political and economic rulers of these lands occupied by the European empires and they continue to rule these countries to this day. The United States of America has been home to hundreds of millions of people since 1776. What's more, these people came from an amazingly diverse genetic pool. And yet, wait for this, the 42 who have become Presidents of the United States are all related!!! Thirty-Three of them alone go back to Charlemagne, one of the most famous monarchs of what we call France. He just happens to be a major figure in the story of these bloodlines and their expansion out of Britain, France, Germany, and elsewhere. See Related Articles: THE WINDSOR-BUSH BLOODLINE Bush~Windsor~Piso Bloodline The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the US and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. This is why the so called Eastern Establishment families of the United States interbreed with each other as obsessively as the European royal and "noble" families have always done. And similar families across the world. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure - the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to "shape-shift". You will also see references on the site to "shape-shifting", the phenomena in which witnesses have reported seeing people (most often those in positions of power), transform before their eyes, from a human form to a reptilian one and then back again. You will find much about this in The Biggest Secret and Credo Mutwa confirms exactly the same experience in black Africa. Once again, ancient and modern accounts support each other. The ancient gods of the Indus Valley, the Nagas, were said to have been able to take either human or reptilian form. Former US president, George Bush, incidentally, is mentioned more than any other person in my experience in relation to shape-shifting. This is why his son is being brought through in the 2000 presidential election. Presidents are not EL-ected by ballot, they are SEL-ected by blood. Al Gore, his "Democratic" opponent in the one-party state, is also from this bloodline. Look almost anywhere in the world in a position of significant power and you will find the same. The reptilian symbolism you see around you with gargoyles, in coats of arms, in advertising, and so on, is all part of this. These "gods" could not take over the planet openly because there are not enough of them, so they are doing it covertly by appearing human. Movies like They Live, The Arrival (the first, not the sequel), and the US television series, V, tell the story of what is REALLY going on. I urge you to think about watching these movies to get up to speed if you are new to all of this. New World Order and conspiracy researchers also have political and religious belief systems to defend and while they uncover one level of the conspiracy, most reject and even ridicule what I am saying about the reptilian connection. That's fine, but unless they encompass this bigger picture they will never, in my view, understand what is truly happening all around us. As Ghandi said: "Even if you are in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth". And as a result of the waves The Biggest Secret has caused, and the new information, experiences, and accounts the book and this website have attracted from all over the world, there is a growing understanding that this apparently bizarre, crazy, story is actually true. That the world may indeed be controlled by reptilian bloodlines that hide behind apparently human form and it is this understanding which pulls together all the apparently unconnected information on this site into a very much connected whole. Here are some examples: RELIGION: If you wish to control a mass population, you have to disconnect them from the true knowledge of who they are and their own infinite potential to manifest their own destiny and control their own lives. You have to persuade them that they are insignificant and powerless so they will live their lives in accordance with that. This is where religion has been one of the most effective weapons of the Illuminati and the reptilian bloodlines. It fills people with fear of a judgmental God and tells them that unless they believe that the "truth" of all that is can be found in one book or belief system, they are going to hell or will experience other extremely unpleasant consequences. Different religions have also been wonderful vehicles for dividing and ruling the people through arrogant, self-righteous, inter-religious conflict. The reptilians created the religions for this reason and the key players within them do not even begin to believe the nonsense they parrot to their followers. They just want the population to believe it, so they will be easy to control. This is why you find so many famous "Christian" evangelists, for example, are actually Satanists. Their "Christianity" is just a smokescreen. SEE THE RELIGION ARCHIVES AND THE NEWS ROOM MEDICINE AND MEDIA: The suppression of the true knowledge of healing and the domination of drug and surgery-based "medicine" ensures that the human physical body operates at far less than its optimum potential. This is the reason for the blatant misrepresentation and suppression of the so-called "alternative" forms of healing which have been around for thousands of years longer than modern "medicine". Food additives, fast food, flouride in the water supplies, the poisons we put on the land and therefore eat in our food and drink in our water, are all suppressing not only our physical health and vibrance, but, most crucially, our brain functions and intellect. A fully awake, mentally sharp, population is the last thing you need if you want to control them. Thus the reptilian bloodlines also put so much emphasis on controlling "education" and the media. This allows them to feed us a constant diet of brainless crap, like game shows, while the "news" media tells us what the controllers want us to think. Most journalists are so brain-dead themselves, so lacking in understanding of what they are part of, that they, like most of the population, play a part in advancing an agenda they do not even know exists. SEE THE MEDICAL RESEARCH ARCHIVES AND THE NEWS ROOM MIND CONTROL This is obviously very related to religion, which is, for me, the greatest form of mass mind control yet invented. So is advertising and television. But mind control goes much deeper than that. The Illuminati-reptilian mind-control projects have produced literally millions of mind-controlled robots in endless walks of life, who are programmed to carry out the Illuminati agenda. There are many electronic ways that this is done today, but one of the key methods is trauma-based mind control. This is where people are traumatised through sexual abuse, violence, being forced to witness and take part in human sacrifice rituals, and countless other horrors. Such experiences activate the mechanism in the mind which shuts out memories of extreme trauma. One expression of this, which many people have experienced, is when they cannot recall the memory of a bad car crash. They can remember before and after, but not the impact. The mind puts an amnesic barrier around the memory so we do not have to keep re-living it. This is a good thing, but the Illuminati have developed methods of using this technique to traumatise a mind over and over until it fragments into a honeycomb of disconnected amnesic barriers. They then program these different fragments of mind (altars as they call them) with different tasks. The tasks are pre-programmed to be activated with a "trigger" word, colour, sound, or whatever. Once the trigger is given that programming locks in and the person will do whatever they have been programmed to do. This can be to have sex with a famous politician, which they will not remember; to assassinate someone like John Lennon; to go crazy with a gun in a school, which leads to gun control etc. The concentration camps of Nazi Germany under the supervision of the "Angel of Death", Josef Mengele, were one of the major centres for such experimentation. Mengele was taken to the United States and South America after the war by the Illuminati under the name Doctor Green or Greenbaum to continue his horrific "work". This manifested as the notorious mind-control project, MK Ultra. The China Lake Naval Weapons Center in the California desert was one of his premier bases of operation. The most effective time to start this process of creating human robots is before the age of five or six. Hence you have the colossal child abuse networks and the Satanic ritual abuse of children exposed on this site and in my books. SEE THE MIND CONTROL ARCHIVES THE ABUSE AND SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN, AND HUMAN SACRIFICE CEREMONIES IN GENERAL Staggering as it may seem, all of the above are massively widespread all over the world. It is happening in your community now, I don't care where you are. I, and others, have been highlighting this for years and now, as you will see on this site, the scale of it, and the famous people involved, are coming to light at last. Partly these rituals and abuse networks are to do with traumatising people, especially children, but it is far more than just that. Follow the Illuminati-reptilian bloodlines from the ancient world to now and they have ALWAYS taken part in human sacrifice ceremonies and blood-drinking. The sacrifices to "the gods" in the ancient accounts were literally sacrifices to the reptilians and their hybrid bloodines. The story of the blood-drinking Dracula is symbolic of these reptilian "vampires". One of the locations of this reptilian group would appear to be the star-system known as Draco and "draconian" certainly sums up the Illuminati. To hold their human form, these entities need to drink human (mammalian) blood and access the energy it contains to maintain their DNA codes in their "human" expression. If they don't, they manifest their reptilian codes and we would all see what they really look like. "Oh, my God, Mr. President, do you always eat your breakfast from across the room?". From what I understand from former "insiders", the blood (energy) of babies and small children is the most effective for this, as are blond-haired, blue-eyed people. Hence these are the ones overwhelmingly used in sacrifice, as are red- haired people also, it appears. This is why people like George Bush, Henry Kissinger, and a stream of the other Illuminati "big names" are exposed in my books and on this site as reptilian shape-shifters who take part in human sacrifice and blood drinking. The two go together. There also appears to be a very significant emphasis among the Illuminati-reptilians and their offshoots with paedophilia, which is rampant on this planet. SEE A LONG LIST OF ARTICLES AND NEWS STORIES ON THIS SITE FOR MORE ON THESE SUBJECTS. I would emphasise also before I end here that I am exposing certain reptilian GROUPS behind the Illuminati, not the reptilian genetic stream in general. There are many of reptilian origin who are here to help humanity to free themselves from this mental and emotional bondage. Indeed, every one of us has a body with much reptilian genetics, including part of the brain called the R-complex, the reptilian brain. It is merely a matter of degree. I trust this brief summary will help you to see the relevance of all the articles and information you will find on this site. In the end all these apparently unconnected "conspiracies" are part of ONE conspiracy designed to introduce ONE agenda. The reptilian control of Planet Earth and its entire population. <hr></blockquote> This is from his intro for new visitors, one of only five articles on that page. So I guess that makes Lizards at least 20% of what he believes. Here's another article for beginners...in case anyone doesn't get who exactly the Illuminati are... <blockquote>Quote:<hr> THE ROUND TABLE BILDERBERG NETWORK by David Icke One of the first parts of the Illuminati network that new researchers discover is the group of organisations which connect into the British-based secret society called The Round Table. These include the Bilderberg Group, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Club of Rome. See illustration: This network is not the most powerful expression of the Illuminati. There are many more elite groups within it's web, but these &quotRound Table" organisations are a key part of its day to day manipulation of politics, banking, business, the military (especially NATO), "education", and so on. You can read about all this in great detail in my books, And The Truth Shall Set You Free and The Biggest Secret. But briefly, the network was created to advance through the 20th century and beyond the Illuminati agenda for the centralised control of Planet Earth. The Round Table was created in London (the Illuminati's operational centre) in the latter years of the 19th century. Its first official "leader" was Cecil Rhodes, the man who mercilessly manipulated Southern Africa and took those lands from the black peoples. Although, in theory, black people are back in political control of Africa, the real decisions are still made by the European and American elites via their black puppet presidents and leaders. "Independence" is an illusion. Rhodes played tribe against tribe until they destroyed each other in war, so allowing Rhodes and the British to take over. The same is happening today in the continuing wars in Africa, details of which you will find on this site. Rhodes said the goal of the Round Table was to create World Government controlled by Britain (the Illuminati based in Britain). When he died in 1902, he left money in his will to fund "Rhodes Scholarships" in which overseas students had their expenses paid to study at Oxford University - the centre of the Illuminati's manipulation of "education". The ratio of these "Rhodes Scholars" who go back to their countries to enter positions of political, economic, and media power is enormous compared with the general student population. They act as Illuminati agents. The most famous Rhodes Scholar in the world today is Bill Clinton, the two-times President of the United States. But while Rhodes was the official front man for the Round Table, the real controllers and funders were, and are, the House of Rothschild, the banking dynasty which is at the heart of so much of the global conspiracy. This is not an anti-Jewish remark because the Rothschilds claim to be Jewish. The Rothschilds have manipulated Jewish people more than any other!! See Was a Hitler a Rothschild on this site. The inner elite of this Round Table in the US and UK were the key members of their government's war administrations before and during the First World War.. As is provable with documentation, they worked together to engineer the circumstances that led to that global conflict. Through their technique of create-the-problem-then-offer-the-solution, they wanted to destroy the global status quo with that war and therefore have the opportunity to re-draw the world in their agenda's image when the conflict was over. This is precisely what they did. Power in the world was in far fewer hands after the war than before, and this was advanced even further when they engineered the Second World War also. This has continued to this day and, indeed, is getting quicker all the time. In 1919, came the Versailles Peace Conference near Paris when the elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war these same people had created. They decided to impose impossible reparations payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the post-war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable ecomonic collapse and thus create the very circumstances that brought Hitler (a Rothschild, see related article) to power. It was while in Paris that these Illuminati, Round Table, members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating the Bilderberg-CFR-RIIA-Trilateral Commission network. They also decided at Versailles that they now all supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. As I show in my books, EVERY ONE of them was either a Rothschild bloodline or was controlled by them.  The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was "advised" at Versailles by Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, was "advised" by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French leader, Georges Clemenceau, was "advised" by his Minister for the Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild. Who do you think was making the decisions here?? As a result of their secret meetings at the Hotel Majestic, The Royal Institute of International Affairs was founded in London in 1920, the Council on Foreign Relations followed in 1921, and then came the Bilderberg Group (1954), the Club of Rome (196<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> and the Trilateral Commission (1973). These are dominated by the Rothschilds and &nbspRockefellers, and major manipulators like Henry Kissinger, who, in turn, answer to higher powers in the Illuminati. These organisations have among their number the top people in global politics, business, banking, military, media, "education" and so forth. These are the channels through which the same global policies are co-ordinated outside of public knowledge through apparently unconnected countries, political parties, and institutions. The upper levels of secret societies like the Freemasons, Knights of Malta, etc., connect into this Round Table web also.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/rd-table.html">www.davidicke.com/icke/ar...table.html</a> So much for censorship.

by **Qutb** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:23 pm

About James Goldsmith and his sponsorship of anti-globalization movements. I think we perhaps get a little carried away sometimes, when we get into the though-habit of seeing conspiracies everywhere. We should perhaps entertain the possibility that old Sir James was genuinely worried about the dangers of unshackled global financial markets and their power over elected politicians. And that the Goldsmiths belong to an older capitalist class which had lost some of its power in the age of cross-border capital flows, giant pensions funds and global securities markets. In any case, this is the story as it is told in Adam Curtis' documentary "The Mayfair Set - Twilight of the Dogs", which can be downloaded <a href="http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm" target="top">here</a> (low-res, Real Player). It's interesting contemporary history and worth checking out. Other interesting documentaries at the same link. (Click "video" to see other categories, too) Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **Avalon** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:16 am

Thirty-Three of them alone go back to Charlemagne, one of the most famous monarchs of what we call France. He just happens to be a major figure in the story of these bloodlines and their expansion out of Britain, France, Germany, and elsewhere. Let's retire this notion. Pretty much everyone of European descent is directly descended from Charlemagne, and if they can trace themselves back that far they'll have picked up a lot of other royalty in their lineage too. It's pretty cool -- I can trace my own family back to Charlemagne and further back from there, of course -- but most of you probably share many of the same ancestors whether you know it or not. So figure you may all share Illuminati bloodlines too, far enough back. <a href="http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=5921">www.ancestry.com/learn/li...ticle=5921</a>

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