Are RA perps 'Satanists', 'paedophiles' or something else?

[jenz]

because abuse happened in institutions which were the responsibility of Local Authorities, which were insured against negligence claims<br>because police are also liable to be sued, when a perp can bring a claim against them that kind of thing.<br><br>example of first kind of case can be found on FOI files - if you don't turn it up easily I'll find the ref. <br><br>2nd kind, lots of anecdotes. some pretty complicated things. it can work something like this: <br><br>a mother wakes up to the fact that her husband is in an ra ring and abusing their child. she goes to police and social services.<br><br>initially, she is believed, there is an investigation but not enough evidence. the perp has much more money and employs a psych. who diagnoses the mum with (common one, Munch by proxy) or some other delusional state. child is either removed into care, or given to abuser who has been 'innocented'.<br><br>investigation stops, child is in hopeless state and mum powerless. abuser sues police and social services for interference with his right to family life.<br><br>or, abuse revealed by teacher or social workers, children removed, case dropped not enough evidence, but social services not happy about allowing children back for some time. eventually children returned, grow up in abusive group. later sue social services for damages.<br><br>many, many cases like this, differing slightly in details, providing an explanation, if not a justification, of why police have made a co-ordinated back off from investigating the organised abuse of children, even when the evidence in the form of the child's testimony, and physical evidence of assault, is presented when the child is still a child. <br><br>plenty of psych's ready to pocket expert witness fee in return for finding that the plaintiff or plaintiff's carer is barking mad. plenty of lawyers ready to take up the cudgels. lots of well meaning folks lining up to take sides with the much more reasonable sounding perpetrator, including Dad's rights orgs etc. comes down to money really. <br><br>If in absolute corner, insurance companies will try to do a deal with the victim - but it is so rare that they have anything like enough evidence.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

That's very interesting. I have a sense of insurance complicity but cannot pin point. Will give it more thought.<br> <br>Major culprits are the psychs, always there for the perps and many times they are the perps, or part of rings. Not enough has been said about the collaboration of mental health professionals in Abu Gharaib/Gitmo ritual abuses. In Israel, psychiatry is not yet sovietized, politically, but getting very close to it. In the sense that racism against Arabs is already a proof of sanity, or a requirement thereof and such like politicizing the field. Many of them work for IDF/related agencies in torture, investigation/ research.<br>I once had a colleague, an AMeican Jew who was a child psychiatrist near the region of the Dimona nuclear plant. he was the "major" private shrink for the rather small community. He told me that the prevalence of incest in these families is astounding, and he almost said taht the workplace demanded it, or something. Cynically of course.<br>I represented one of his clients/patients, a young lady who charged her father, a senior nuclear physicist in Dimona with severe incest. Strangely enough the police investigated and concluded he is guilty. this went up to the DA, for prosecution, where suddinly it was "stayed" indefinitely, officially they said he is very old (he was perhaps 67). It was a bizarre story. She claimed her father started doing it when they were in a sabatical in the USA in a campus (and she also had records of ther complaints to the school cousellor, who didn't know what to do, since she was a foreigner basically). I started harassing the DA, and it became weirder, he was never put to trial of course. off records the DA herself scolded me :"do you think a person like that can be imprisoned with all the classified info he has ? it will risk national security." (of course this didn't stop them from putting Vanunu in solitary for 11 years...but not a sex offender god forbid, what did he do, only rape HIS OWN daughter...). through her story (she was an incredible young lady, who is now graduating social work studies working with sexual abuse victims) I found out how adept psychiatirsts are in covering up ! she indeed had a psychiatric record of two attempted suicides, but in both cases she was released immediately and it was noted that she stated her reason as being the abuse. No history of psychosis. However, to stop her from pursuing this all the way, they told her that if she continues they will use her psychiatric history to prevent her from being licensed as social worker. she took the message..and stopped there. <br>My take - the CIA has been initiaiting a lot of those Israeli top notches to all these things, perhaps via MC. The ISraeli government continues the cover up knowing so many of those people are demented. By now, I think, nobody knows really what to do anymore. No control over the situation whatsoever. The sex rings are all over. Of course, these things tend to have a diabolic inertia cause once a DA covers up once, they have to keep on doing it infinitely, to cover up for their own cover up, etc.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[hmm]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ra is one tentacle of a pretty slimy octapus, it squirts a lot of blinding mist on anyone who gets too close, but sure the tentacles join up somewhere. We know ra is associated with a range of other criminal activities, some of which have been part of political and financial agendas. We know many of the techniques were developed from nazis to cia mind controllers in bed with mafia.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>my main interest has been intelligence agencies and geopolitics yet its "funny" how i keep being led to tales of RA and, cults, religious institutes, mafia, serial killers, and drugs.<br>Its how i ended up at RI as this seemed the only place i could find where this connection was discussed (semi) lucidly.<br><br>so whatever RA abusers are,behind the satanists and paedophiles is a organised control effort,and it looks to me asif the CIA/military-industrial-complex (for want of a better label) has "locked into" and subverted age old control methods perfected by western organised religion and that we are all part of some huge sociological experiment run amok.<br>the war on communism -> war on drugs -> war on terror is defacto permanent war during "peacetime" for the population of the west, based on fear.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>2 considerations do lead me to concur with the Louf assessment.<br><br>First - know men by their actions.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>why is it that the actions of these unconnected groups and "lone nuts" often co-incide with the interests of organisations like the CIA<br><br>and to come back briefly to our earlier posts and men,i feel the only solution to this lies within woman, her struggle is not over, and i mean beyond equality.<br>When women realise their true power and strength, how weak and puny man really is, and end male dominance and thinking i believe most of our problems would be over.<br><br>just a couple of thoughts i have on the matter..<br>p.s. always find your posts interesting<br> <p></p><i></i>

[mom cat person]

others.<br>It is the underbelly of the beast. Althoug sadism and pornography are parts of the system, the core lies in the training of the young people in the system to be devoid of any feelings for others. Any connection to ones concience is systematically severed. All the sences are intentionly planted with triggers to be an effective form of control. If one is to sit in a board room and systematically make decisions that will kill and cripple, prior training in making such brutal decisions is a huge asset.<br>The parrallels between the moral perversion betwen both systems is frightening: Hard core capitalism and hard core satanism. Is Satinism a training ground for future leaders? I can not prove it, but the parallels are striking. <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

hmm my gut feeling about this is that many lone nuts, and cert. many groups are not that unconnected. spend a lot of time trying to get hold of enough info to find connections. <p></p><i></i>

[Homeless Halo]

Its likely that there are a number of independent self-sustaining "cells" participating in such activities. Compartmentalization.<br><br>You probably also have to deal with the fact that those who are semi-inside probably run their own "side projects" for their personal benefit. Besides this, there would be "outsiders" who practice similar techniques, but without a shared interest.<br><br>I doubt somehow that anyone is "in charge" of a such a long and ongoing set of practices. Its likely, that with something like this, which goes back so far, that there are a number of fully grown entities that partake of such things, in multiple countries and/or agencies.<br><br>I don't buy the "religious" aspects of most of it. Most "Satanic" practices were invented in the last couple hundred years. "Satan" as the devil is a Christian invention, and this practice is older than Christ.<br><br>I'd expect to find major players worshipping more "correct" OLDER semi-evil "pagan" entities as opposed to "the devil". <br><br>Bohemian Grove, with their Molech rituals, would seem to be filled with likely suspects. Of course, an "in charge" accusation would be difficult, as even this particular cult is somewhat old, even in America, and dates to Sumer proper, worldwide. I'd note that a lot of M.E "death cults" use similar techniques and are dedicated to the same entity or a proxy.<br><br>Which means you have several, possibly "distinct" lines of RA perpetrators, and lots of hangers on, that benefit from the practice in various ways. Financially, in the case of the Mafia types, and the "snuff"/kiddie porn groups. The politicians and the cult of intelligence, already deep into the Molech death cults, would benefit from control and possible "black magic" powers besides the "black budget" gains, which can't be their sole purpose, as someone with their level of power could make easier money. Many of you likely don't really believe in black magic. Some of us do.<br><br>"Connections" are easy to make, but are not neccessarily evidence of an "alliance". Six degrees can connect ME to anyone of these people. <br><br>I'd suggest that, especially given the interconnected "blackmail" opportunities and control issues, that a lot of them probably spend the bulk of their time infighting. There is no word for "equality" in Molech worship.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

Yes HH. lots of good points in last post, (imho) especially first 2 paras and last one. <br><br>but there are links - its just that as with any org. but especially underground ones, you can't point to the real hierarchy.<br><br>the in fighting idea is important to hold on to because it is a weakness which goes right to the heart of the PTB system and plans, is the frailty of a philosophy constructed around power. mention this because there is often a feeling of hopelessness which comes through the postings on these boards. <br><br>belief in black magic - sometimes just a question of terminology or jargon. ie different people find a different metaphor or language for describing a process both recognise. that said, people in the front line of survivor helping, can find that very pragmatic, almost commonplace, responses are useful, especially as the abusers have tried to exaggerate their power with what are actually a bunch of cheap tricks. its doing a reality check on those things, which can sometimes help in a small way a survivor to get to grips with their past and integrate it with their present. complicated esoteric explanations can simply come across as more of the same.<br><br>sorry if that sounds a bit garbled, put it down to having a senior moment.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Homeless Halo]

Its their infighting that is their primary weakness. It could easily be used against them in any number of ways. Normally, the first thing a specific cult does, after it gains political power is to eradicate all the other cults nearby, starting with those that know the most about it and/or are most similar, to remove competition. See: Thule society/SS takeover of Germany, followed by an outlaw of "Lodges" and "Occult" practice, which would seem hypocritical and/or plain loony if not seen in the light of the inner power struggling. (Hitler killing Rothschilds in France while Roths in Germany and Switzerland fund him liberally...)<br><br>Of course, any sort of "major" expose would remove a good portion of them at once, but because of the compartmentalized nature of the process, it will likely take much effort to "clean up" the rest, even if the bulk were removed.<br><br>These people invented the underground, you can be sure they know how to use it. (The CIA sells crack in my city, everyone on the streets in the decommissioned zones knows this, but no one can do anything because they do it in neighborhoods that even cops don't drive through)<br><br>It is the cult infighting that has led me to believe that the cults who DO NOT do this sort of thing, should be among the primary allies/resources of the people who wish to put a stop to the practice.<br><br>Of course, an all-out Occult war has been going on for some time. It might even be the REASON why the "cult" crimes are starting to get noticed again. I wouldn't be suprised to see PTB move against a lot of the innocent cult groups in order to clear a path for themselves. In fact, I think we're being primed for just such a manuever, even as we speak.<br><br>Probably the PTB will execute this manuever through a combination of law enforcement and through their "evangelical" Christian puppets. On that end, it has already begun.<br><br>Be careful on Halloween. I normally don't mention this sort of thing, but rumor in the local occult underground has the "blackies" preparing for some sort of offensive. Which is okay, being offensive is the only thing they seem to be any good at. The "Dark Side" isn't nearly as powerful as even they think they are. They're just assholes with megalomania.<br><br>I can see the "framing" for this beginning too. More news stories on "keeping your children safe from sexual predators" than I've seen in years. All of them are Halloween oriented. I think this is going to get worse before it gets better.<br>Just something to keep in mind, eh?<br><br>Their infighting will be their downfall. In an hierarchical occult system, there can only be one "dark lord", and they don't even trust each other (would you?).<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>