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I know nothing ...

Postby Pants Elk » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:11 pm

Except.<br><br>The most hostile writing - judged intuitively, by tone - in this thread has not come from the originator of this thread (who may be excused a little badtemperedness, given his situation) nor from those who have been said to attack or discredit him. The negative tone of those who leaped to defend the thread's originator is pretty startling, and the word "hysterical" certainly seems appropriate here.<br><br>The demand for personal bona fides - in a context where anonimity is allowed, and sometimes even necessary - is also a bit of a headscratcher: we're judged by what we write here, how we express ourselves, not by our resumés. For example; loudly and repeatedly trumpeting attorney's credentials seems off the point at best. The adversarial skills necessary in the courtroom are, thankfully, largely out of place in the altogether "greyer" zone of the internet.<br><br>From my reading, those who have been accused of disinformation, slander, bad vibes, hoarding overdue library books, and being generally sloppy net citizens, have expressed a natural concern; both for some kind of elucidation of the original premise and for its author. Additional information has been posted, apologies have been made where necessary, and some kind of conclusion has been reached. If you want to take sides; take ours. We're all here together.<br><br>(<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>ducks</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pantselk>Pants Elk</A> at: 7/5/05 10:19 am<br></i>
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Re: 7th sun

Postby tabasco1776 » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:18 pm

"I guess Seventhson is the resident crazy at this forum? It seems every board has to have at least one. Kinda ruins the mood for me :/"<br><br>psst... hey... your well-orchestrated (and dissembling) use <br>of the word "crazy" is a well-known buzzword of the <br>copro-fascist rapist/sodomist cannibals and brute killer ivy <br>league and other global elites who worship the lust for <br>blood and death and use it for their own maintenance of <br>global hegemony. And stuff. Obviously, then, you must be <br>a necrophile agent of the RA perps sent here to disrupt and <br>discredit <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>all RA victims everywhere</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> by your use of that <br>word and by daring to disagree with an investigative <br>journalist with more than 30 years experience. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Oh, but wait, I must be a fascist disruptor too, because <br>blackoperators often work in tandem or in tag teams of <br>three or four, rotating shifts at all hours from global <br>positions and posting ad hominem personal attacks in an <br>effort to divert public attention from the truth about the <br>BFEE while we take our marching orders from the Naval <br>observatory.<br><br><br>Okay, I can't keep a straight face anymore... *spits Pepsi <br>all over the keyboard*.... lol <p></p><i></i>
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re: seventhson

Postby rain » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:38 pm

um, no. he would be our resident battle-hardened, war-weary warrior. <br>and I'm not being, in the least, bit facetious.<br>so go spit your pepsi elsewhere, greenhorns <p></p><i></i>
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Warrior war-weary and enjoying the rain

Postby Seventhson » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:12 pm

I just read a bit of Jeff's interview and I must say that the reason I am so happy here is that jeff knows exactly who I am, knows my bona fides and I have "come out" to him in the sense of I am not an anonymous poster and he knows why I post here: for the same reasons he does.<br><br>More mainstream boards are too easily manipulated and influenced by both spooks and moderating corporate democratic interests (Clintons, Clark, DLC, etc.)<br><br>Minstrel Boy defended me endlessly at DU until I was badjacketed and it took me MONTHS to find him and his blog, which was a joyful day for me.<br><br>As for you Rain, bless you --- you r words are very kind and I am glad someone said it.<br><br>I would gladly give my life for my brothers and sisters if it were necessary as I have no fear for my immortal soul (and believe the souls of the truly wicked evildoers shall be annihilated from creation). I have children and my sole motivation here is for my progeny: to protect them and make the world safer and better for them: this includes making it more wonderful and fiull of joy and enhancing the creation and all that is beautiful and wondrous in it.<br><br>Anyone opposed to that is a part of the abomination (the greasy slime of perverted necrophilism and mammon/lucre worship)<br><br>I guess pantselk is a heavy hitter and the appellation is catchy. A Big Elk Pants??? My my. Sounds like a heavy swinger???<br><br>I told you guys that this issue is a tarbaby. You cannot control this board the way you do many others through trickery and false faces.<br><br>And look folks, I have been in this battle my whole life. Goons are goons and toughs are toughs and the naive are the naive.<br><br>Some folks are, legitimately, afraid of talk liek mine. They are in denial. But they serve the baddies by "permitting" them latitudes that are denied to the good people who have to stay polite and compliant and flexible and nice.<br><br>I for one will not stand for it. I won't sit for it either.<br><br>As for being war-weary, Rain, the battle strengthens me as it is a righteous cause and the angels are on our side.<br><br>I do get sick and in pain and suffer --- and dog-tired --- but there is a thrill from bringing the figurative dragon to its knees and saving the lives of the wide-eyed and precious and beautiful innocents.<br><br>I work with abused children and mothers and even veterans in the inner city in very difficult conditions. I have done it as a lawyer and as an activist (advocate) and counsellor/therapist for many years. I work with PTSD.<br><br>But in my socalled "free time" I battle ignorance and evil on the boards.<br><br>It is very kind of you to acknpowledge that.<br><br>While someone spews coke out their nostrils in "ridicule" mode and heavy hitters come into play with more castings and more aspersions qand more chaos building and LESS analysis of the problem and the perpetrators then I have only one thing to say as an aside<br><br><br>RAIN --<br><br>Have you heard "Be the Rain" from the Neil Young Greendale film Soundtrack???<br><br>OMG!!!<br><br>You must!!! GREAT film and very good for all activists and very moving and uplifting and sad.<br><br>Let the spinmeisters spin.<br><br>Keep up the good work Jeff. This RA thing can be a real tarbaby for the assholes who 've plagued you (and me) online for a long time. Stay safe..<br><br>I hope you are keeping track of the IP addresses and the shifting of the winds.<br><br>And for anyone who is NOT a silky slimy dark actor but who is merely trying to make sense of this, keep a low profile and just watch. Shining lights on cockroaches tells you which variety they come in and you can learn loads. Sometimes they seem very sweet and pleasant. Sometimes they bite the shit out of you. Some even carry germs and viruses that can be fatal if swallowed. <br><br>If I have inadvertently offended anyone who is merely practicing the intellectual art of dialectics and challenging ideas for the sake of strengthening them, I apologize for casting aspersions. But when anyone backs up those whom my radar tells me is working for the evil ones then I immediately disregard and distrust anyone who defends them, naive or not.<br><br>Be The Rain!!!<br><br>Thanks Rain<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Jenz...

Postby Project Willow » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:26 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The fact that people who have been raised in hate, reject it, and turn to us for help, is the sure sign that those men who are too stupid to recognise that "mind-control" is a contradiction in terms, will not in fact control the humn race.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>This is wonderfully written. Thank you for everything you said, and the little gift of hope for today. <br><br><br><br><br>Oh my, this thread, we are learning about each other I suppose, (as far as the internet goes.) <p>PW</p><i></i>
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Re: Jenz...

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:57 pm

Hi 7thson,<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I want to express gratitude for this post, as it explains WHY you used the term (one I am totally unfamiliar with) and what its context is.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>And thanks for helping me out on this thread, because I know you’ve drawn flack for it.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>This explanation early on would have been very useful for those too lazy or to disruptive to do a google search.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I know. When I finally got to writing it down, I had to ask myself why I hadn’t done it earlier, since I’m sure it would have saved us all a lot of trouble. <br><br>But it’s hard to ‘put it out there’ when, so often, our own words are used against us. <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>But if you are telling the truth about youyr experiences, then what you have to add is invaluable for all of us here who are seeking truth and understanding of how to oppose this evil and rid it from the face of the planet.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Honestly, this is why I write here. It’s actually a risk for me, in terms of my emotional wellbeing, because you can’t “prove” direct experience. It doesn’t matter what I’ve been through, anyone here can (and people have) called me a liar. <br><br>I don’t think that people here who can’t/won’t believe me are ‘disinfo agents’ etc. The extremeties of human pain and suffering engender all sorts of reactions in people – denial is generally the first one. Unfortunately, that suits the perpetrators very, very well.<br><br>So we all have to struggle past our mutual defense mechanisms to develop a more comprehensive and complex understanding of ritual abuse and child torture. That does mean, at some point, moving beyond the real/invented debate. <br><br>It took me an hour to get my friend out of flashbacks this morning, I went to work and she went to a café, and I just got a text message – she’s opened the newspaper and found <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/the-sex-abuse-lies-that-ruined-a-family/2005/07/05/1120329448447.html" target="top">this article</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> – and I’m at work, my mobile phone is out of credit, I can’t reply, I suspect she’s disassociated and in tears somewhere, and there is nothing I can do about it.<br><br>It’s times like this that I fly off the handle at the random poster who has, however innocently, decided to tell me that I’m making no sense, that my post is worthless, that I’m ‘vague’, ‘hysterical’, ‘glossing over details’ or being ‘gratuitous’ – when you are under this kind of stress, when 'crisis times' happen daily, throwaway lines do have an impact. <br><br>Mike <p></p><i></i>
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Thelemites

Postby infinitysnake » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:25 am

Thelemites are NOT "into" the blood of children. yes, there is some use of blood in the rituals- but it does not come from sacrifice, from children, or animals, etc. (hint: "the best is of the MOON") Think what you like of that, but thanatoi here is just looking for attention. The same Mass he's making insinuations about is open to the public, he could easily attend one and see for himself whether anyone's doing anything illegal or outrageous. (and unless he's a methodist, he's gonna be disappointed) <p></p><i></i>
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Great thread

Postby Dreams End » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:29 am

Here's what I got out of this long thread. If I go to see a movie, Superman, say, and I see Superman flying around...I can accept that. It's part of the world created by the filmmaker. BUT, if I see Superman flying around with kryptonite on his neck...hell no! <br><br>I'm not saying the stories Biao has told are fictitious, though I certainly thought that for sure when I read the first post and the one about his friend being abducted from the school. It wasn't the RA aspect of the stories, it was the inconsistencies...the kryptonite around the neck. Why does she take the drink? Why is she even continuing to go out in public unprotected, much less to a university (I can't imagine an easier place to track someone down in.) How on earth would the perpetrators know that she isn't followed when they call?<br><br>I became somewhat less skeptical as Biao provided more details and linked to the first article he'd written. I also don't know much about the pedophilia scandal in Australia (would appreciate links, please) but knowing it tied into that was helpful. <br><br>Now, it is not the job of the victim (or victim's protector) to MAKE us believe you. But this is not a "support forum" though we want to be supportive. There are such forums I would hope and if not I encourage someone to start one. <br><br>People come here looking for information and, I think most importantly, trying to make up their minds if this stuff can actually be happening.<br><br>Let me give myself as an example. I have been looking into this for awhile now and logically, I now accept that this is going on, though like Starman I can't say exactly how extensive it is or how much it ties in directly to other aspects of our secret establishment.<br><br>But even though I have accepted the evidence...I STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT. No, I'll go further. Because of my wife's DID and what I'm learning of her family and background, I've started to look for signs of RAT (I like the term better than SRA, because S is not always involved, no?) in her background (without really discussing it with her to let her own memories emerge as they will.) Even though I'm actively engaged in this pursuit, I STILL DONT BELIEVE IT. <br><br>It's a psychological thing, and natural, I imagine. I think if I were plopped right into the middle of a ceremony I STILL WOULDNT BELIEVE IT. <br><br>You get my point. I think I represent a lot of people who come here. Unless we experience it ourselves, we have only our minds, logic and assemblages of evidences to go by. So we will ask questions. I've been actually pretty restrained about it. I have a MILLION questions and would certainly be harrassing someone to ask them all.<br><br>But if someone is going to post experiences, details are called for here. The internal consistency of those details will build a sense of plausibility in the reader. It will prove nothing, of course, absent news articles, police reports, photos, medical files, etc. but it helps people like me begin to accept, and I think that is a worthwhile effort.<br><br>Have you ever read any of the books about Thomas Covenant? It's a great fantasy series. He is whisked into a different world and though he doesn't believe that the world actually exists, he must act in that world, and in fact is very crucial to events there. <br><br>I'm not that crucial to events in this world (though we all potentially could be) but I feel like Covenant.<br><br>But folks, I have a bit of good news. THEY, whoever the hell THEY are, are getting sloppy.<br><br>Take the Louisiana thing (I can't spell the city name.) First comes the story of ritual abuse. All of it, as if taken right out of one of those accounts I find so "unbelievable." A freaking confession! Several confessions. VIDEO fucking TAPES! <br><br>And then the story starts to disappear and all the occult parts go away. This makes the whole idea of a secret network and conspiracy much more believable, because I watched it happen. Cops said they confessed to satanic rituals. newspapers quoted them. Cops said there were videotapes and photos. Newspapers quoted them. Then it all went away like it never happened. This really helped me see that these things can happen exactly as people claim and that others are capable of keeping it covered up. Imagine what sort of network there has to be there for this case, which now involves the FBI, to have dwindled down from tons of physical evidence and confessions to "possible child endangerment". These people are good at what they do. <br><br>The fact that THEY let this get out at all put this subject right up front on my radar screen. Right before I heard the hole La story, I read the story of a huge Italian network for child pornography which included pictures of tortured children. The number of arrests was huge (186) and included priests. My link no longer works and there has been no follow up story that I've seen. Here's a copy of it on some obscure blog. It's the exact same story:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://whatsakyer.mu.nu/archives/083765.php">whatsakyer.mu.nu/archives/083765.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Before that was Abu Ghraib. This is disgusting to say, but what I got out of those photos was "I guess they really do smear excrement on people". Again, it just made these unbelievable accounts more believable. (I don't know that there are any ritual aspects there...though I've heard rumors, but the mind control tie-in is what go my attention. They'll get those guys all nice and programmed and then send them back out to do God knows what.)<br><br>In fact, all these stories started to appear right as I started looking into all this. (I take no credit...just interesting coincidence.) In fact, this stuff is showing up everywhere...they are getting really sloppy or someone wants to "help us." Take the London bombing happening right AFTER Italy starts issuing warrants for CIA and Gladio operatives and right AFTER US special forces leave Spain (i.e. fearing that people were starting to look into their activities too closely?) The dots are just getting bigger for some reason, and easier to connect.<br><br>IN any event, please keep sharing stories, but please expect questions. What we all want is understanding, I think.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Troll?

Postby infinitysnake » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:41 am

Guy, someone challenging your fantasies does not equal "troll."<br><br>telling survivors and their advocates that Crowley's words are rightfully symbolic and metaphorical is worse than the Freudian 'you're imagining it' slippage, and indicative of extremely deep denial on the part of those who hold such nefarious opinions. <<<<br><br>BULL. Crowley himself quite adequately wxpolains his own meanings. For those who choose to take the word of others who selectively wuote-mine texts, "the fresh blood of a child" refers to SEMEN. All of Crowley's references to such refer to masturbation and its product, which are considered to hold magical energy. Nothing more, nothing less, and fully explained in the text which the hysterics are busily editing to remove all trace. Nobody who is familiar with Crowley's body of work could possibly believe such a charge. therefore it is necessary to remain ignorant in order to continue to believe such outrageous bullshit.<br><br>This fellow has been well apprised of reality vs. his ridiculous claims on message boards all over the internet, yet continues his slanders.<br><br>For those truly interested, ALL of the OTO's 'secret' rituals are readily available to those who look carefully. NONE involve any form of non-consensual activity, any kind of sacrifice, blood, or anything else that comes out of the fevered imaginations of "biaothanatoi" and his ilk. <p></p><i></i>
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Basic Anatomy

Postby infinitysnake » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:45 am

She told me that when she was bleeding she was “dirty”, and that she had to “offer them my blood” to become clean. She said, “They need the blood, they use the blood”. And she said that they “use a hose” to “suck it out” – sounds like they try to flush the menstrual fluid out in one go.<<<<br><br>For Christ's sake, that's not even physically possible.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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A High priest? All the hsyterics?Children's semen consensual

Postby Seventhson » Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:22 am

C'Mon Serpent.<br><br>First you need links to back up your stuff.<br><br>And if you are defending trolls or claiming there are none then you are as misinformed or disinforming as anybody.<br><br>Back up your claims on Crowley with links. Mine the data. provide some.<br><br>But defending the realm of the RAers is sick territory.<br><br>I can see some Crowley adherents who are uninformed about RA and CIA/BFEE sex networks being miffed that they are malinformed or stupid or naive - that they were taken in.<br><br>I can also see how Crowley and the Thelemites might be used as a red herring <br><br>Is this the high priest checking in to smear??? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A High priest? All the hsyterics?Children's semen consen

Postby tabasco1776 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:58 am

There you go again, Seventhson.<br><br>Someone doesn't agree with your warped worldview, and <br>suddenly they're "misinformed", "malinformed or stupid or <br>naive". Get over yourself and stop trying to bully everyone<br> into going along with your own personal agenda.<br><br>Infinitysnake might be "the high priest checking in to <br>smear"? I guess you'll accuse me of being one too, since<br>I'm defending him.<br><br>And how can you say that he's "defending the realm of <br>the RAers" by daring to state that Crowleyites <br>aren't the boogeymen that you think they are?? Just <br>because someone doesn't agree with YOU doesn't make<br>them the enemy. <p></p><i></i>
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hmmm...

Postby human » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:37 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>But defending the realm of the RAers is sick territory.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>so whats your feelings about Christianity?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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anatomy lessons, abductions, beliefs

Postby jenz » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:28 pm

anatomy lesson. some years ago a difficult confinement reached a crisis point at a moment when the roads to the neares hosp. with consultant and op. theatre were flooded. A highly unpleasant procedure was performed without anaesthetic to save me and babe. subjective experiences - intense pain, room seeming to become dark, huge flashes like someone just let off roman candles next to my face, sounds of panicking med. staff talking to each other and me, eventually, no pain, room hoves into view, blood everywhere. Are you surprised if I rely for my understanding of what was done on the sayso of those at the business end of events? point is - in procedure described by Biao, victim has only their subjective memories plus what they were told was the point of it all. In flashback, they re-live these events, sometimes bouncing in and out of present reality. this condition is not confined to those traumatised in ra groups but is common to many experiencing traumatic recall, including for example big strong policemen and soldiers who have suffered attacks in or out of war. One minute recovering victim is reacting as if they are on another planet (actually in a past event), next minute they ground and either try to explain or don't. I have been surprised at the extreme naivity of many of the questions, more than thinking there were dark operators out there. I have seen an abduction personally, ie woman thrown into car which screeched to a halt, then cleared off at breakneck speed - only her shoe left on pavement (London) , have a family member who saw another, have heard eye witness descriptions of similar ones. the victims in all but one of the cases were of heavier build than the anorexic young person this post is about. Its not hard to do if you are a fairly fit bloke. It happens all the time. As for the drinks scam - am I missing something? Are Australian Unis tee total -certainly not what I'd have expected. In no higher ed establishment I've ever known would it be impos for, say, a couple of women students giggling and supporting a third 'legless one', to get out of the building and into a waiting car or camper van, without being challenged and taken to the Dean to explain themselves. Belief systems - I've heard first hand descriptions and second hand descriptions of a variety of 'beliefs' associated with ra, included in these are very formalised systems which, for example, re-write the texts in an established religion, and systems which appear to be closer to 'mind-control' manipulation drawing on anything convenient to that aim, and ad hoc, make it up as you go along stuff. the common threads are sadism, violation of human rights, self-serving and greed. the perps are, one has to feel, psychopaths or sociopaths, and its not intelligent to try to understand their actions by the light of normal behaviour. Question is why does the justice system in so many countries so abysmally fail the victims? I have my own theories, anyone like to chip in? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: anatomy lessons, abductions, beliefs

Postby biaothanatoi » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:59 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>This fellow has been well apprised of reality vs. his ridiculous claims on message boards all over the internet, yet continues his slanders.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Firstly, if this is another argument pointing out that Thelema isn’t about murder/sacrifice/etc - As I’ve said more times then I can count, on this board and elsewhere, I’m aware of what Thelema is, and that the vast, vast, vast majority of practitioners are regular people. I know, I’ve never said otherwise, so lets head off the sensitive reactionary BS. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://beastbay.com/beastbay/970652013/index_html" target="top">Other Thelemites</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> can consider the impact of the fundamentalist reading of Crowley. Why can’t you? Every religion has fundamentalists and extremists – yours doesn’t? Every religion has paedophiles – yours doesn’t? Every other religion has a long history of denying sexual offences within their auspices … oh, wait, that’s you.<br><br>Further: In order to justify the ‘slander’ part, you have to a. presume that I’m lying when I post and b. that I have an alternative motivation beyond just telling what is in front of my face (eg “attention”) for making these posts. <br><br>a. I’m not lying. I saw the body of a woman with manacle bruising on her wrist and ankles, and an occult script burnt up her body with a red-hot poker, last month. When she talks about who is doing this to her, she talks about ‘scarlet women’ and nine degrees with ‘rex’ at the top and so on. Then I meet other survivors who say the same thing. I would be an idiot if I didn’t consider the influence of Crowley. <br><br>b. I couldn’t care less about your “attention”. I’ve got a great job, great friends, great family, with some freaky shit bang in the middle of it. I go public with it because I meet other people that understand – and a lot of hysterical and ignorant people with their own agenda, as well. <p></p><i></i>
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