RA Debunking - "I Lied"

by **albion** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:37 pm

In today's LA Times, a McMartin student apologizes: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I think I got the satanic details by picturing our church. We went to American Martyrs, which was a huge Catholic church. Every Sunday we had to go, and Mass would last an hour, hour and a half. None of us wanted to go: It was kicking and screaming all the way there. Sitting, standing, sitting, standing. What I would do was picture the altar, pews and stained-glass windows, and if [investigators] said, "Describe an altar," I would describe the one in our church. Or instead of, "There was a priest in a green suit"—someone who was real—I would say, "A man dressed in red as a cult member." From going to church you know that God is good, and the devil is bad and has horns and is about evil and red and blood. I'd just throw a twist in there with Satan and devil-worshipping. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-mcmartin44oct30,0,6197551,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines">www.latimes.com/features/...-headlines</a> <hr></blockquote> Found via Kevin Drum's Washington Monthly blog post (in case anybody wants to go over and tell him what you think in comments): <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The McMartin Preschool case is, in some sense, old news. By now, it's common knowledge that the charges of child abuse and satanic rituals at McMartin were untrue, whipped up by hysteria, local newscasters, and bad child psychology into one of the most monumental miscarriages of justice in recent memory. <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_10/007448.php">www.washingtonmonthly.com...007448.php</a><hr></blockquote>

by **slimmouse** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:43 pm

Someone should ask this freak what he made of the excavations that were conducted after the Mcmartin scandal. Another liar on the payroll. Not altogether sure as I blame him, but thats a separate issue. Someone should ask where all the testimony to that scandal was located, and what got blown up in an 'attack on the BFAT' by Tim Mcveigh ( or was that Tom Mcvey) in 1995.

by **jenz** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:40 pm

can't even be bothered to acknowledge them enough to throw sticks tonite

by **veritas** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:36 pm

Such dark webs of deceit. Article says this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> CII interview with Kyle Sapp, now known as Kyle Zirpolo. Sapp was interviewed by two CII staffers...... --------------------------snip-------------------------------- Kyle Zirpolo is a 30-year-old former McMartin Pre-School student who now manages a supermarket on California's central coast. Debbie Nathan is a writer in New York and coauthor, with appellate attorney Michael Snedeker, of "Satan's Silence: Ritual Abuse and the Making of a Modern American Witch Hunt." She also is a board member of the National Center for Reason and Justice, a nonprofit group that works to educate the public about people falsely charged with child abuse.<hr></blockquote> Yet, here is someone who would be thirty. He was named Kyle Sapp. He is dead. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Kyle Sapp (1976 - 1997) He died after celebrating his 21st birthday. I miss him so very much. I'm very thankful that our last words to each other were, "I love you". He was a bright light in my life. An artist not yet discovered. A photographer with a talented eye. A cartoonist with a tilted imagination. A much loved son with an addictive nature. Too young to have died. My heart is forever broken with his loss. Nothing will ever fill the void left by his death.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.ourwall.net/sapp.htm">www.ourwall.net/sapp.htm</a> Same Kyle? Who knows? Right age though. This book may set us straight: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The Abuse of Innocence: The McMartin Preschool Trial (Paperback) by Paul Eberle, Shirley Eberle <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1591021650/qid=1130622608/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-8422740-3510326?v=glance&s=books&n=507846">www.amazon.com/exec/obido...p;n=507846</a> <hr></blockquote> Or maybe not: (Caution...graphic language) <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Paul and Shirley Eberle wrote The Politics of Child Abuse, a book that accuses mothers, mental health professionals, and prosecutors of feeding children stories about sexual abuse. Since the book was published by Lyle Stuart in l986, the Eberles have been cited as experts in sexual abuse trials … What is startling about the Eberles' reputation as ground-breaking experts in the field is that their dubious credentials have not been widely challenged … Their publication, Finger, depicted scenes of bondage, S & M, and sexual activities involving urination and defecation. A young girl portrayed with a wide smile on her face sits on top of a man whose penis is inside of her; a woman has oral sex with a young boy in a drawing entitled ‘Memories of My Boyhood.'"<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.konformist.com/2001/pedophocracy2.htm">www.konformist.com/2001/p...cracy2.htm</a> Here's more on tunnels and lies. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/mcmartin.htm">www.geocities.com/kidhist...martin.htm</a>

by **Avalon** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:21 pm

Looking through the Social Security death records, I don't have a Kyle Sapp come up as such. Lot of Sapps out there, many with K as a middle initial, so it would be appropriate to find out whether Kyle was a middle name he went by. Someone needs to research this further, I won't have the time.

by **biaothanatoi** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:01 pm

I find the tone of his 'confession' really strange. "Kid feels uncomfortable when asked about sexual abuse" - not really a news flash. But neither his uncomfortableness, nor whether one child was abused or not, speaks to the truth of whether other children were abused or not at McMartin, as he himself admits: "I'm not saying nothing happened to anyone else at the McMartin Pre-School." Strangely enough, this quote wasn't made into the headline.

RA Debunking - "I Lied"

RA Debunking - "I Lied"

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