therapists - DID, SRA, MC

[ir]

(copy pasting this message i posted on another thread)<br><br> Just realized that often on this board people talk about their therapists in connection with DID, PTSD, SRA etc. Only today I noticed that I keep reading this but this is like "virutal talk" to me. My attempts to find therapists in Israel for my situation never sound like the good, fullfulling, helpful, NORMAL experiences described here, especially referring to the bunch that talks about DID/SRA problems. Are there really that many sophisticated therapists who actually validate these epxeriences and do not freak out ? <br>--<br>I had one therapist in Israel, leading expert (internationally known) in PTSD and DID and SRA, claims to know MC victims as well. Thing is, he CAME TO ME, and not vice versae, red flag for me.And he had pretty solid/warm relationship with our Ministry of Foreign affairs, which for me was big red flag as well. Anyway, i wrapped up the epxerience, in my mind, as someone being sent 0 perhaps semi officially, to defuse bombs FOR the establishment, my part in the deal would be - getting free therapy by someone who can validate, but his interests are somehow conflicted. <br><br>--<br>Second therapist, one of the other FEW experts here on PTSD, a very young lady who graduated at boston or harvard and did her practicum with Judith ...something (trauma and recovery person). Was a nice lady, more trustworthy in terms of who she serves (she also ripped me off, which proved nobody else was paying her), but when I get a bit deeper into the nature of my previous "entanglements" (scary stuff), she seemed to have dissociated herself, because - as an Israeli - I am not sure she wanted to know who and what is being done here, in the kingdom of Hades, just below the nice streets of sunny tel aviv. These are the only two attempts I made to get effective help. Now, suppose if we take PW's situation, and the stuff she relates, wouldn't any therapist feel they freak out ? (if they beleive the story, it is SCARY to be privy of this info, and if they don't, they'd have to recommend psychiatric care or what not.).<br>Can you please explain the difference between MY reality and yours in terms of social acceptance, especially among the shrinking community ? <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

Hi IR,<br>There are several therapists in the US working with survivors of ra/mc, though they are few and far between, and I highly doubt they advertise as such.<br><br>Yes, it's extremely difficult for the therapist, experienced or not, but there are brave souls out there, the trick is finding them.<br><br>I can't say more without betraying a personal confidence, but I believe there is help in Israel. Although they don't adequately address ra/mc as a body, you might try contacting the ISSD for referrals. If you find someone knowledgable about dissociation, with a trauma focus, it can be a good start.<br><br>Too bad it didn't work out with the young woman who studied with Judith Herman. Herman's book is amazing, political and validating, I recommend it to all. If one were to argue we are indeed in the dark ages when it comes to acceptance of the dark side, Herman's thesis offers great insight.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence--from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror (Paperback)<br>by Judith Herman "THE STUDY OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA has a curious history-one of episodic amnesia..."<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465087302/002-4682039-6547262?v=glance&n=283155">www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465087302/002-4682039-6547262?v=glance&n=283155</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[ir]

Oh, and I forgot, yes. you reminded me of another therapist, actually she was very good, but i ran away then, because I don't think I was able to "stay" with the information that came up...yes, thanks for the reminder, actually I blocked out an entire experience...<br>the wonders of memory. that must have been ...what, ten years ago. Yes, there is one that would qualify..its funny...how memory of fucked up victims is playing out. <br>--<br>So, i would sum it up differently then, there is help in Israel, but you have to be very rich to get it...that makes it probably the same as the USA. mystery resolved then. thanks PW. <br>Just one little comment on that, too. the Israeli counterparts would not go as far as those in the USA who testified in court on behalf of clients, in controversial issue, let alone national security issues. <br>-----<br>I can't see ONE Israeli standing up and testifying in a "church committee" or such like even after documents such as the ones that came out there, leak. Same goes for even radiation, let alone "sci fi x files" on speculative mind control techniques. Courage, with Israelis, stops where Generals are involved. <p></p><i></i>

[ir]

You have made some hints in the past too about contacts in Israel. While I am an Israeli, as you know, and even fond sometimes of this shithole, I have to advise you to be extra cautious with the Israeli scene as it comes to these matters. While I am sure your experience in surviving had proven itself enough to trust your senses and instincts, Israel can be a very deceptive place, (and culture) to others, non natives specifically, but not only. There is so much MC going on here, and a lot of thirst to knowledge, ranging from actual perps looking for techniques and info, helpers of American perps (many many of those around),and then comes the helping community...they ALL want to be accredited by American hot shots, and at the same time they all have to be first of all loyal to the Israeli government. and they might play both roles, not even of bad intent, but really because that's the ONLY way to survive and the only way they know. Plus, most of them can be manipulated with disinfo etc.<br>Just a reminder about how the Israeli society is built - this is a universal draft society (I don't know if you can really truly "get into the feel of it " without ever expereincing it. Vietnam was universal draft for the USA, it was short though, and many people fled to Canada or so). It means that EVERYONE is connected to the military, especially if one is mainstream, like a therapist and those professions that depend on the establishment (university education and licensing, and a very LONG internship here, in mental health hospitals, which ALL cooperate with government shit). <br>--MC situations (less so, SRA, which could exist outside governmental structure, like crime ogs or cults) involve highest military interests and national security and foreign relations. Do not for one minute entertain the illusion that a psychologist in Israel can do anything about it without being heavily monitored by military elements, and there are indirect ways of doing that as well as direct ones. contrary to the USA, not even ONE shrink here mentioned the issue of torture here, although the military is using shrinks and MD's in general to conduct torture. We have tens of thousands of palestinians in prisons here which in American terms would amount to millions of "terrorists" in gitmo like situations. AND, NOT ONE dissident or any feeble voice of mild scrutiny coming out of here. <br>---<br>Just imagine what kind of machinary exists to make sure no leaks, no protest, no WHISTLEBLOWERS. Watch the movie "Homicide" to see the Israeli pattern with Americans (in that case jews) of the "naive" liberal progressive breed. <br>---<br>Also, the government recently sponsored several PTSD conferences here with leading experts. then they opened a fancy "trauma" center in Jerusalem, with a pretty bizarre collectoin of sponsors and experts. looks like a trojan horse to me, and I am sure some psychologists there are unaware of the undercurrents. <br>but that's just me, the "self hating friend of Zundell" as you know...I like my people, but I also know their limits. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>