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More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:34 pm
by Prof Hex
From the Sacramento Bee:<br><br>Teen: Father feared a plot<br><br>The attorney believed a cult was out to murder him, his son says.<br><br>By Ramon Coronado -- Bee Staff Writer<br><br><br>Armed with a paintball gun, a Taser and a derringer, Sacramento defense attorney Richard W. Hamlin loaded his wife and four children into the family van and went to Granite Bay in search of a woman who wanted to kill him, the lawyer's teenage son testified Tuesday.<br>"He told me to take frozen paintballs to shoot out the windows," 18-year-old Ryan Hamlin told jurors on the first day of trial in El Dorado Superior Court.<br><br>The younger Hamlin, the first witness to take the stand in a trial expected to take up to seven weeks, said his father believed he was the target of a murder plot involving a satanic cult.<br><br>A well-known veteran defense attorney and former Sacramento County prosecutor, Richard Hamlin is charged with 18 felony counts of torture, spousal abuse, making death threats, negligent discharge of a handgun and child endangerment. If convicted, the 45-year-old faces a life term in prison.<br>In opening statements to the jury of eight women and four men, Deputy District Attorney Vicki Ashworth said the case had nothing to do with conspiracies or devil worshippers.<br><br>"This case is about domestic violence and abuse," Ashworth said. No one else connected with the case has been charged.<br><br>Richard Hamlin's world began to crumble in late 2003, the teenager testified, after 20 years of marriage and a successful legal career that provided the family with a $1 million hilltop mansion in El Dorado Hills.<br><br>Hamlin would beat his wife, Susan, "five days out of seven," Ryan Hamlin testified. When Richard Hamlin was arrested in February 2004, she had a broken nose and fractured ribs.<br><br>Susan Hamlin, also a lawyer who formerly worked at one of the largest firms in Sacramento, was a prisoner of fear in her own home, according to the prosecution.<br><br>Richard Hamlin is representing himself and, in his opening statement, told jurors that his 48-year-old wife had turned the couple's children against him and is lying about the domestic violence to avoid being prosecuted for her role in a murder plot to have him killed as a "Christian trophy."<br><br>Her injuries were caused by satanic cult members who were angry with her for not going along with the plan, Richard Hamlin told jurors.<br><br>In a tape recording of her statement to police that Hamlin played for jurors, Susan Hamlin admits to most of what her husband claims.<br><br>"Stick to the plan or I was going to end up dead," Susan Hamlin is heard saying in a noticeably tired voice in the recording made two days before Hamlin's arrest. She later recanted, saying she made the admission out of fear of her husband.<br><br>Richard Hamlin told jurors that his wife was suffering from emotional turmoil as she was beginning to deal with repressed memories of being molested as a child by her father.<br><br>Hamlin accused his wife's father of using satanic cult worship and videos depicting murder, commonly called "snuff films," as tools to control his family members and others from going to police.<br><br>"There is no way that I manipulated this or put things in her head," said Richard Hamlin, who was dressed in a black suit, white shirt and a red stripe tie.<br><br>In tracing two years of domestic violence, the younger Hamlin told jurors that his father, who had two other handguns in the house and a sword, had the family living in terror. They couldn't answer the phone or have friends over, he said.<br><br>His father started going off the deep end, the teen said, when he would go through his mother's family pictures and school yearbooks.<br><br>"He found some code in the books," said the younger Hamlin, who avoided looking at his father during most of his testimony. At one point, when he was describing how he was separated from his brother and two sisters, he and his father exchanged stares.<br><br>On the night of the trip to Granite Bay, the teenager said his father first dropped off his two little sisters, leaving his little brother and him with their parents as they drove aimlessly through Placer County streets. After his wife couldn't produce a street address for a woman named Lisa, Richard Hamlin pistol-whipped her with his .38-caliber derringer, Ryan Hamlin testified.<br><br>At one point, the father stepped out of the van and ordered the boys to keep an eye on their mother.<br><br>"I was pointing my paintball gun at her. My dad said if she moved to shoot her," Ryan Hamlin said.<br><br>Later, Richard Hamlin took his wife out of the van to an abandoned field.<br><br>"We thought my dad was going to shoot my mom. It seemed like he was going to kill her," the teenager said.<br><br>Ryan Hamlin's testimony resumes this morning before Judge Eddie T. Keller in the Placerville courtroom.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:12 pm
by marykmusic
He "saw a bunch of codes" in her high-school yearbook? Sounds like tweakin' to me, liberally sprinkled with a bunch of... yeah, Satanic, evil sh*t. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:58 am
by israelirealities
In the links about this case, it says that her father, Sid Seimer is senior DARPA researcher in the past. Is that confirmed?<br>If this is the case it can shed light on her situation and how the entire family went berserk.<br>What I saw in similar cases in Israel, with ex workers of ex file agencies, is that the entire family is destroyed, often in order to prevent the slim chance that anyone can ever try to corroborate stuff with them. Even if the family is unaware of the father's workstuff, they are still annihilated/discredited, cause they can point to dates, places, and stuff they remember as kids, and which could prove to be of value to anyone who asks the right question. This might also account for the number of allegations by "kids of military/spooks" against their fathers. Either they were actually abusing them then (It also makes sense) OR they are messed up intentionally as prophylactic measures. Horrible. Don't ever be born to parents who work for these agencies...bad bad life ahead. <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:40 am
by Prof Hex
Good catch Iz. I found this link-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>-which is supposedly an open letter from William Hamlin that links Dr. Sidney Siemer to the Finders-<br><br>"Individuals who wish to remain unidentified have said that Dr. Sid Siemer is a high ranking member of a CIA sanctioned child molestation ring called "The Finders" and also a senior member of the Order of the Trapezoid, consisting of worshippers of the Temple of Set."<br><br>and brings up Michael Riconosciuto, MKUltra, Ted freakin' Gunderson.<br><br>This post-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=";read=71366"></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>-links Siemer to Wackenhut, Cabazon, et al.<br><br>and this page-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=",hamlin,susansword,3,10,05.htm">,10,05.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>purports to have an actual letter from Susan Hamlin accusing her father of molestation.<br><br>I know nothing about this website- <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> but it was the only one I could find mentining DARPA. <br><br>Yikes! <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:47 am
by proldic
newsmakingnews<br><br>ok you found me out<br><br>one of the main sources for daily news, national and especially Cali<br><br>fucking extensive!<br><br>VM: Brussel sprout<br><br>not perfect, but the best out there<br><br>especially next time someone tells you that whatreallyhappened is their prime source for daily news <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:53 am
by Prof Hex
Wow, according to the below links, Hamlin hired Gunderson after finding him through an internet search. Jeebus.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=",hamlin,grandjury,7,7,05.htm">,7,05.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=",hamlin,trial,2,9,05.htm">,9,05.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:56 am
by israelirealities
I mention DARPA because of their connection to allegations of <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>RA/MC in Israel,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and because perhaps it is the only agency you can verify, that someone worked for. (its not like CIA). It should be verifiable. Suffice that her father worked there, to make him the main culprit in this affair, IMHO.<br>Word is DARPA, in the seventies were experimenting here on ISraeli minors -drugs, RA, trauma based MPD the works, of course with full contract cooperation with Israeli government agencies. The rumor is leaking from a group associated with a very connected person, who was a Prof. Physics high up in the ISraeli shoo shoo scientific network, and later "repented/converted" to being a so called civil rights leader, so to speak, or politican with a "civil rights" twist, because maybe he is also gay etc. In local terms, therefore, DARPA = DEVIL. or so.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:48 am
by *
<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="">Goat Rock/Satanic Connection</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"When Susan Hamlin began to reveal a lifetime of incestuous rape, she also revealed how her father, Sidney R. Siemer would use Satanic rituals as an opportunity for adults to rape and molest other children.<br><br> Susan described in detail a number of Satanic rituals that she was forced to participate in. One of the locations was Goat Rock State Beach. Goat Rock is located on the northern California coast just outside the town of Jenner, approximately 1 ½ hours north of San Francisco, in Sonoma County.<br><br> Goat Rock is in close proximity to a double murder that may be Satanic in nature. On August 19, 2004, Jason Allen (26) and Lindsay Cutshall (22) were murdered. The couple, who were engaged to be married, were both fatally shot in the head as they slept along the shore of Fish Head Beach, a short distance from Goat Rock Beach in Sonoma County. A Christian couple, Allen and Cutshall were employed by a “Christian adventure camp,” Rock-N-Water, located in Coloma in El Dorado County. They took a couple of days off to camp on the remote Sonoma coast. They were both the type to witness about their faith and had a Bible with them when they were killed"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Re: More Satanic allegations from California

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:59 pm
by JMwasthere
Prof Hex,<br>Hi, I am the idiot that let gunderson live in my house form 1990 to 1994. <br>The thing about him is that no one actually "hires" him. Usually he noses around important cases, offers to work for key people, then proceedes to mess up their cases. Like he did in the McMartin case for me.<br>Sometimes some poor "client" will give him money, usually those who can least afford it. His rate in the early 90s was $750 to start a case then $50 an hour. <br>One poor lady mortgaged her Mother's house to give him the money. Later she said he did nothing to help her. Information he got for her she could have gotten simply by asking for it.<br>Haven't heard anything about him since his post office box bill on Wilshire Blvd. in Santa Monica (you know, the adddress he lists as his "office") wasn't paid a few weeks ago and I got some they called me.<br>JM <p></p><i></i>


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:08 pm
by jenz
IR what you said about the whole family being destroyed in order to prevent the slim chance of info getting out resonates with me. I have a hunch that that is one of the purposes of ra groups - to be directed to f*** up the lives of anyone who just might be a problem, however inadvertently, through having been in the wrong place at the wrong time. ra attack tends to manifest itself as something that looks like something else, and if anyone wakes up to it and tells, when then they sound properly crazy. that is how it used to work anyway, now there is the beginnings of a crack in the armour. <p></p><i></i>

Re: resonances

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:59 pm
by israelirealities
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>now there is the beginnings of a crack in the armour<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->. <br><br>small crack, no foot in the door yet. <br>It is so easy to ruin someone's credibility these days, you can ingest something that gets them to do weird stuff or just "poison" the atmosphere around them. What bugs me *understatement of the year* is that although enough people know or suspect, there is general complicity, because of the fear and the stakes. The opportuniry should be seized soon to crack the walls of denial. I believe ONE case is sufficient. But then, this one case never happens. If you take the HOrowitz/Polk affair as a case study (in case it is what it is, and I don't know what it is) - once there is a major breakthrough (like a top notch lawyer taking the right side, for a change), they don't hestitate running a massacre, even if smells of "weirdness" all over, because it increases the level of terror and creates more incentive to cover up. The people at the other end of this struggle should be as determined as the bad guys, and run the war to the last bullet. But I don't think anyone is organized enough to do that, and there is always amazement with the audacity and the cruelty, one never expects them to step up violence this way. THis is how it works. It worked with the NAzis. I don't think Horowitz is going to be up to picking the fight where he left and step on the gas. He will be devastated. First rule of the thugs, is to meet out such a big blow that the other side has to use their entire energy only to survive and recuperate. Its actually a war on terror, in a way, but I don't see the armies of the righteous. Its a scattered group of victims licking their wounds and dealing with "maintenance" of life, not fighting back yet. And the soldiers of the good fight, ALWAYS cop out, co opted, sell out, whatever, and they always have very good explanations or rationalizations. <br> <p></p><i></i>


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:07 pm
by Homeless Halo
I think you are correct, mostly, in the allegation that the side of the "perps" in these cases is far better organized and equipped than the side of those who would fight against them.<br><br>Often, police officers, and the like, who continue to pursue such leads run into the loss of their own job, which means they must put themselves and/or their own families at risk in order to continue looking where someone doesn't want them looking.<br><br>The same is likely true of the possible huge number of international politicians, etc, that are probably genuinely "decent" people, who are too afraid to rat out the ones they work for. Perhaps, we should assume that a lot of them have done little dirty things themselves which they could be called on if they stepped forward.<br><br>The problem is, that a system run by the perpetrators will likely never succeed in removing them. Its very nature doesn't allow it to, because the "top slots" in these places are often directly/indirectly under the control of the perps themselves.<br><br>Which means that if we ever want to stop it, we're going to have to adjust our tactics to the game we've been forced into playing. <br><br>We are fighting a guerilla infowar in occupied territory, we often make the mistake of assuming that entities such as "the police" (who make up the biggest portion of the "organized" crime rings today, according to the FBI), or "the government" in general, are on our side, when in reality, they are on their own side. We have to remember that few people are willing to put themselves and their families at risk unless they themsleves have been victimized. As long as the perps continue to attack only (relatively) small numbers of people, there will never be enough "push" to knock them down. They have acquired enough power to feel secure in their abilities to get away with this, even if a few were prosecuted, it wouldn't make the news, because the media itself works for THEM not for us.<br><br>People need to start being more suspicious and/or paranoid, so we can catch more of these bastards in the act. Then we can declare them "enemy combatants" or "terrorists" (both of which they'd qualify as)and torture them in Chile, until they tell us who they work for. I'm for the "eye for an eye" approach as far as things like this go.<br><br>What we really need is some propoganda though.<br><br>And we need it yesterday. <p></p><i></i>

Re: IR:

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:17 pm
by FourthBase
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What we really need is some propoganda though.<br><br>And we need it yesterday.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Have you seen the RI signs project thread?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=>FourthBase</A> at: 10/27/05 4:19 pm<br></i>


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:22 pm
by Homeless Halo
It could work, but we need lots of it, on a large scale, something people can't ignore.<br><br>I discussed a RA propoganda piece, which my cabal intends to work on in a few years, when it is possible to fund, if no one beats us to it.<br><br>Thinking:<br><br>WWJD to RA perps? Well, he said that they should have millstones tied around their necks and be thrown into the sea.<br><br>What about creating a millstone for every "lost" and non-recovered child?<br><br>They'd be as cheap as the family buying a headstone, and they could be lined up on along a major metropolitan freeway.<br><br>Then, if we find the perps, we could use them...<br><br>Besides this, I advocate the creation of letters. Fill them with undisputable facts only, and send them to people who'd have an interest if they could only not have to wade through conspiracy theory jargon...Oprah, for instance. <p></p><i></i>

Re: yep

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:49 pm
by FourthBase
Letters are too dependent on mutuality and luck.<br>You'd be lucky to get the letters where you want to go.<br>Then you'd be even luckier to find someone who will listen.<br>I sincerely doubt that anyone with as much power as Oprah is not part of the problem. Worth a try I guess, but don't bet on it.<br><br>I love the millstone, idea, though. <p></p><i></i>