RA, cults and prostitution in Africa

by **biaothanatoi** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:29 pm

Reports have filtered up to the United Nations from welfare workers and social workers in Britain and Europe regarding the "misuse of ritual practice" in the sexual exploitation of women in Nigeria. Before being trafficked into Europe as prostitutes, women and children are ritually abused by priests in thier home country (forcibly wedded/bonded to a tribal god, blood/hair/nails taken and used in spells). Even when rescued from slavery, they are too traumatised to cooperate with police or the authorities. <a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/030706dnproasylum.d0d5adf.html" target="top">A Nigerian nun</a> is now seeking asylum in the United States on the basis that she is at risk in Nigeria after resisting the sexual advances of a Catholic bishop, who was involved with a woman who was a "member of a satanic secret cult" and involved in the trafficking of children. "I realize that to American people this concept of a ... cult may sound somewhat strange," the nun states. "However, in Nigeria and other parts of Africa, these cults are an unfortunate part of life." The nun reports that the cult member is seeking to set up an orphanage in Nigeria. In the Nigerian press, 'satanic' is often used in the broadest possible sense - political opponents, for instance, may be described as 'heartless and satanic'. However, juju/voodoo is alive and well in Nigeria, and people are murdered and their body parts harvested for ritual purposes. The bodies of children are particularly prized. Anthropological work has found 'secret societies' underpinning social and political activity in some African nations. <a href="http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/display.var.690409.0.exposing_juju_in_london.php" target="top">The son of a Nigerian witchdoctor</a>, now living in London, states: "It is well known that witchdoctors use animal parts and herbs in some of their practices. But there are a few very evil individuals who will go to any length. They use human body parts, often from children. I have heard from very good sources that senior officials from important organisations in Nigeria are involved in these secret societies. There is corruption at a very high level." He adds: ""People in [England] who are involved in black magic often have links with crimes such as people trafficking and drug dealing. They are dangerous and live in a secret world." Sound familiar?

by **thumperton** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:25 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>He adds: ""People in [England] who are involved in black magic often have links with crimes such as people trafficking and drug dealing. They are dangerous and live in a secret world." Sound familiar?<hr></blockquote> 'Child sacrifices in London' <a href="http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/19328071?source=Evening%20Standard&ct=5">By Richard Edwards Crime Reporter, Evening Standard</a> Boys from Africa are being murdered as human sacrifices in London churches. They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard. Followers believe that powerful spells require the deaths of "unblemished" male children. [...] African children being tortured and killed after being identified as "witches" by church pastors. [...] The aim of the Met study was to create an "open dialogue" with the African and Asian community in Newham and Hackney. In discussions with African community leaders, officers were told of examples of children being murdered because their parents or carers believe them to be possessed by evil spirits. Earlier-this month Sita Kisanga, 35, was convicted at the Old Bailey of torturing an eight-year-old girl from Angola she accused of being a witch. Kisanga was a member of the Combat Spirituel church in Dalston. Many such churches, supported mainly by people from West Africa, sanction aggressive forms of exorcism on those thought to be possessed. There are believed to be 300 such churches in the UK, mostly in London. [...] The true figure for missing boys and girls is feared to be several thousand a year.

by **Dreams End** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:26 am

bio...was that your writing or is that an article by someone else. Link, please, if the latter. And also, info on RA and voodoo, if you have any. Thanks.

by **biaothanatoi** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:14 am

The writing is mine, but there are two embedded links to articles if you follow the underlined text. RE: Voodoo. Depends on how you mean it - ethnobotanist Wade Davis has done some anthropological work on "voudoun" of the Haitian variety that uncovered some interesting RA parallels eg network of secret societies across Haiti that dispense 'tribal justice' by abducting people, drugging and paralysing them, burying them in a funeral ceremony, and then resurrecting them (heavily traumatised, some with brain damage following three days of near-death state) and selling them as 'zombis' into slavery. My friend has been through the same ordeal as a middle-class 5 year-old within a ritually abusive context. Her abusers are not associated with 'voodoo' but the similarities are striking. However, I've dug around and I can't find any reports of "ritual abuse" (eg use of ritual in sexual abuse/trafficking) in Haiti. However, they do use human remains, and particularly those of children, for ceremonial purposes. In the United States, deviant forms of "voodoo" and Santeria have been associated with the ritual abuse of children. It seems that the bodies of children can be fetishised in occult systems whether the system is Western or African in origin. Santeria emerged as a factor in the Matamoros and Frank Fuster cases. Sharon Coulder wrote a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0738701831/002-4787776-4003239?v=glance&n=283155" target="top">book</a> about her initiation into African voodoo following a childhood of voodoo ritual abuse in the States. Also just came across an interesting report written by a member of the Foreign Military Studies Office on a <a href="http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/Santa-Muerte/santa-muerte.htm#conclusion" target="top">Mexican cult primarily made up of criminals, drug smugglers</a> with links to Carribean and Haitian voudoun.

by **Dreams End** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:24 am

Probably not a good idea but this is an angle I need to explore: Here is info about a book found on the "greendragon" site of magical books: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>COUR LANDER, Harold. The Bordeaux Narrative "A Distinguished novelist and scholar of oral traditions brings to life in fictional form the frequently terrifying (and sometimes reassuring) supernatural world of the back-country peasants of Haiti.". Albuquerque, NM: University of New Mexico Press, 1990. First edition. Hardcover w/dust jacket, 192 pp, near fine condition. <hr></blockquote> This was my wife's grandfather. He was a pretty well known ethnomusicologist and anthropologist. He even won a lawsuit against Alex Haley for "borrowing" passages from his novel "The African". Mostly his books are folk tales but he spent much of his time in Haiti. I have NO EVIDENCE that he was anything other than the great man my wife saw him to be. Only his first wife went insane and his daughter is DID and so is his granddaughter (my wife). This particular book I have not read...and I'm curious why it's listed on this site of "magickal" books...just right above Crowley (that only for alphabetical reasons of course.) <a href="http://www.greendragonbooks.com/rare%20books.html">www.greendragonbooks.com/...books.html</a> I just mention all of this because we really don't know WHAT happened to my wife...or, for that matter, her mother, to lead to DID. No bad memories involving this grandfather, but then I read the first few pages of the Coulder book on Amazon (you mean it ends up with her embracing the practices depicted in the first page? With this line "no one would be sacrificed tonight, the cross would serve another purpose.") and if she's not just another Lynn Andrews huckster, then that made me wonder a bit as well. Not about what happens IN haiti but what he might have brought back with him FROM Haiti. I dunno..probably grasping at straws here.

by **Dreams End** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:29 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Bordeaux Narrative by Harold Courlander (18.95) AHLS Price: $10.00 [H] Enter the world of spirits of Zombies and the walking dead, of ancient gods and demons. Dosu Bordeaux, a Haitian, seeks his brother, a man who has been captured, turned into a zombie, and forced to work on a plantation. To save his brother, Dosu must encounter the Voudouns, travel the places of evil spirits, and survive trances, hauntings and soul transference. Travel with Dosu—if you dare!<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.aflit.com/HTML/bordeauxnarrative.html">www.aflit.com/HTML/bordea...ative.html</a> Well, that's not really warm and fuzzy.

by **thumperton** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:33 am

good writing BTW. sounded like an official report.

by **havanagilla** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:42 am

I was just curious about the name and so I found the name along with memphis tenessee re immigration from Riga very early in the 18th-19th century. if you are interested, pm I'll send the links to you. It is not directly related but could give you a wider prespective on the person you are researching. on edit Don't know if it is related or not, but the DUke and the Duchery of Courland (which is where the "courlander jews" originate, near riga), had colonies in Tobago and the Carribeans, a long time ago. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 3/8/06 6:12 am

by **Avalon** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:22 am

FWIW (not that it necessarily has any direct connection to Debbie's family history), William Seabrook, who sensationalized Haitian religion, was a friend of Crowley's, and financed Crowley's Great Magickal Retreat in 1918. This was the summer that Crowley spent on a very small island in the Hudson River, just south of Seabrook's estate at Rhinebrook. <a href="http://www.redflame93.com/Seabrook.html">www.redflame93.com/Seabrook.html</a>

by **Dreams End** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Every scholarly treatment of voodoo has criticized Seabrook's sensationalized descriptions. Jean Price-Mars, who might be assumed to know, doubts that he witnessed much of what he wrote about and embellished what he did witness with false piquant details. (Shannon in Price-Mars 1983:241-242). Harold Courlander and Rémy Bastien describe The Magic Island as a work of "mythomania." (Courlander and Bastien 1966:73). <hr></blockquote> All the evidence indicates that Courlander was a good anthropologist, hence his ability to remain critical of other work while still being totally enthralled by Haitian religion and culture. (Not trying to criticize Seabrook...I know nothing of him, just showing C. is acting in a scholarly fashion.) He's also produced works cataloguing tales from African-American traditions and Native American traditions and you see him quoted approvingly all over the place. I do NOT mean to smear his name. Or, honestly, of Haitian religion. In fact, he was a pretty important guy. And his daughter, my mother in law, was not really around him much...raised by other family members and then at some point a step-dad entered the scene who everyone agrees WAS abusive (broke her nose at one point.) However, I'm coming to the inclusion that trauma very early in life ===> DID but sustained trauma later in life is more likely simply to lead to PTSD, so I lean toward the idea that she had this abuse earlier on. This is all about gathering info...as was the inquiries I made into MC activities at Wright Patterson Airforce base...which is near her childhood home. IN CASE she starts getting some memories that don't make sense I want to be able to have this background info. I don't share ANY of this with her...whatever risks of "contamination" of memories exists is one issue but just freaking out unneccessarily is another. Courlanders were from Latvia...yes. Be interested to have the link. I don't think I knew about the Memphis connection. He grew up, I believe in Detroit, actually....in a multi-cultural neighborhood which is probably why he found scholarly interest in cultures mainstream "society" and academia often dismissed. I will choose to believe he was the great and important fellow he seems to have been...but belief has no influence on what's actually true, so I keep gathering info as well. This, I think, is the only way to proceed with this stuff. And though I said I wasn't going to post much around here...this stuff is important and there's some expertise here. That said, I need, please, critical evaluation of: Book Title: Cult and Ritual Abuse: Its History, Anthropology, and Recent Discovery in Contemporary America. Contributors: James Randall Noblitt - author, Pamela Sue Perskin Bio, I know you endorse it. I started reading it on Questia. It has a bit on African RA, but that's a small chapter. Because the first few chapters have descriptions of women SO incredibly similar to Debbie in terms of the DID and how it presents itself, I want some debunking, please. That is, the book strikes me as serious and legit...so if it is NOT, or if there are strong criticisms of it, I'd like to balance what I'm reading with that. Already there are two or three case histories which could have been my wife (minus actual memories of any RA.) It may simply be that this is what DID looks like, whatever the reason, but the patterns are so clear. And I found it really odd when Debbie's mom described her own system that it so neatly mirrored Debbie's own. "Littles" at the exact same ages, etc. I'm a little uncomfortable that the person who is describing these cases is a military shrink... So many freaking wheels within wheels. This is an important thread...so I hope hostility toward me will stay off of it. Selfish, I know. And I also want to point out how I think I should proceed in this manner. I'm finding some uncomfortable bits of info...and yet I ALSO recognize in myself that my first instinct is to want to go fight bad guys. So, though I don't want her to have suffered abuse in the first place a (perhaps immature) part of me wants the bad guy to be clear and a target I can "go after" as opposed to "simply" mentally ill parents. And though it may turn out that a larger "enemy" is the problem, this attitude colors my thinking, so I need balance. And I sort of grin that we have avalon and bio both on this thread....some history of disagreement there to say the least but thank you for keeping it off this thread AND it's actually a GREAT tag team for what I'm trying to do. No disrespect to either of you meant. Oh and bio I guess I hijacked your thread but it's directly related. I realize I busted in with a "it's all about me" sort of attitude, but the article you posted led to the questions.

by **Avalon** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:03 pm

part of me wants the bad guy to be clear and a target I can "go after" as opposed to "simply" mentally ill parents. It's a lot easier to go after bad people out there, rather than negotiate the minefields of your own bad relatives. You don't have to consider (or at least weigh as deeply) how your fight will impact the constellation of friends and relatives. You can hit harder. It's also a matter of how much effectiveness you can have. Take down the more impersonal bad guys who have impacted a lot more people, you stand a chance of bringing more healing to more people. From what quick reading I was doing this morning on it, Courlander certainly seems to have a professional respect, while Seabrook seems to be pretty universally badmouthed.

by **biaothanatoi** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:32 pm

DE, <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Book Title: Cult and Ritual Abuse: Its History, Anthropology, and Recent Discovery in Contemporary America. Contributors: James Randall Noblitt - author, Pamela Sue Perskin<hr></blockquote> Funny you should mention it, because I got it out from the library again only a few days ago - and I came across the African/voodoo chapter last night. It's a great book. It falls down a little on some of the anthropological sections, but Noblitt and Perskin are clinical psychs, after all. I've never read any particularly strong criticisms of it. You don't see any major leaps of logic or faith. They are upfront about their own uncertainties and the limitations of the scope of their reach. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>So, though I don't want her to have suffered abuse in the first place a (perhaps immature) part of me wants the bad guy to be clear and a target I can "go after" as opposed to "simply" mentally ill parents.<hr></blockquote> I understand the revenge motive (believe me, I do!) but I think the most honourable thing you can do is to stay focussed on your wife's wellbeing. She can and will get better as long as she has support. I know what you mean about trying to find the bad guys. My friend has no memory of her parents involvement in the abuse, but her grandfather was involved in the occult (and, later in his life, a cult - I've spoken to extended family members but they are fairly vague about the details) and both his daughter and granddaughter have been ritually abused. It's too much of a coincidence. Unfortunately, my friends father is a high profile public figure. If he's involved ... ouch. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Oh and bio I guess I hijacked your thread but it's directly related. I realize I busted in with a "it's all about me" sort of attitude, but the article you posted led to the questions.<hr></blockquote> You didn't hijack it at all - it's been a very interesting read. B Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=biaothanatoi@rigorousintuition>biaothanatoi</A> at: 3/8/06 5:33 pm

by **Project Willow** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:40 pm

I have not heard any significant critisism on the whole of their research. What I have heard about them probably does not shed any light on the validity of their work. It concerned a disagreement on strategy, on the roles survivors can or should play in exposing rat.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:36 am

Edit: This post may be triggering............. scroll scroll And so it goes.... Debbie is back in the hospital...this time having been disarmed by two (well trained, thanks, fellas) policemen and taken to the psych ward in an ambulance. The attending paramedic was actually very familiar with DID...and though she didn't do everything the way I'd like, I appreciated that she even knew what the hell DID was. Speaking of hell...what the hell just happened? First, why am I even posting. I just got home...a long cab ride from the hospital with a very friendly, well meaning Christian who got some idea of the story from me and began to explain exactly what I needed to do. I won't be able to sleep for awhile....and it's too late to call anyone. This was supposed to be a bit of a birthday celebration weekend..and really I think that I was to blame for setting this off. Debbie had told all her insiders that it was "safe" to post on the "Mosaic Minds" message board. They have "rooms" for different aged alters who want to chat. Spike, her teen alter, had posted some things there...negative about me...feeling I didn't like her, etc. Well, I have a M.M. account from when all this first started...posting and seeking advice. I went to the site and was actually trying to get into the RA room (which turns out to have a separate password) and ended up looking in the room Spike posted in. Well, I thought I needed to address the negative stuff...not defensively...but to clear up this misconception that I don't like her. She freaked...well, Debbie began to sob hysterically. Spike had been told that this place was "safe" to post anything she wanted and that I wouldn't read it. So she got angry at Debbie. It got way out of hand. She got a knife...came into the bedroom...ordered me out (this was Spike, of course). Cutting is not good, but I wouldn't call the cops for that. But at one point she had the knife to her own throat..and was struggling to keep control. I did attempt to disarm her, but she fought...and I feared I'd make it worse. I gave her one more chance to put down the knife and then I called 911. Here's just a bit of paranormal weirdness to throw into the day. While on the phone with the dispatch person I was walking through this one spot in the hall and a very load, high pitched tone took over the phone...like feedback. I moved out of that spot and it went away, but the 911 dispatch did hear it...though I'm pretty sure it was on my end because walking back through that spot (trying to keep an eye on Debbie but staying out of her space) it did it again...REALLY loud. (just tried it again...no noise at all.) Add this to the fact that only a week or so after the "phone home" incident, Debbie's cell phone (the one she used to call her Mom) just sort of died. It wasn't the battery and today they told her they couldn't fix it or transfer any information to a new phone (like phone lists.) That spot affects our regular (cordless) phones as well, sometimes, so it's interference from something, but I don't have any idea what...and it's NEVER been that loud...earsplitting. (about the same tone as a dial tone, but REALLY loud). Probably pointless to even bring that up...just really weird. Just yesterday, I thought my own therapist was going to have ME committed as I decided to give him a full explanation of Debbie's system (that's not the reason) and also disclosed that I have some concern about a larger, more difficult story about Debbie's past than familial abuse. (Again, no real evidence, but just this weird compulsion to call home deal as mentioned in the original post.) I told him I was aware of a all the b.s. out there and started talking about MKULTRA, hoping not to sound paranoid (that's not really even my biggest suspicion about Debbie's case...) but just to explain that these things do go on. He took it well, but I was trying to cram in so much info into the session that I rambled like a lunatic. However, despite that, he really did see Debbie's mom's email ("jump off a bridge...etc") as an attempt to destabilize Debbie. Here's the thing...it fucking worked. It was, in fact, Spike who immediately reacted with "Oh, then I guess I'll show her" upon reading that email and it is Spike that had the knife to her throat. I had told my therapist I was telling him all this because I suspected that we were heading into a crisis...I didn't really mean 24 hours later, but that's how it turned out. So what to make of this. An email from the mom, with triggering kitty cats, that brings up "jumping off a bridge" after Debbie, or a younger part of her, finds herself feeling compelled to call and then, the most violent and self destructive act she's committed to date comes a week later. (no one was seriously injured...and despite my political view of police in general...I praise the job they did. They disarmed her with no weapons drawn or tasers or anything. Just grabbed the hand with the knife very calmly. hats off to them.) So, sure, I'm paranoid...and sure, I'm prone to looking for a clearer "bad guy" to make sense of this bizarre and painful situation..but here you have Debbie doing very "programmed" looking things...like calling home and then going into a self destruct mode. To moderate my paranoia a bit, there was a central, triggering event...the realization that I'd "invaded" her safe space. And, through intermediary alters, she tells me she was angry at Debbie and trying to punish her for telling them all that MM was "safe". So there's a pretty "rational" narrative to explain it all. Spike felt betrayed and took it out on Debbie... But the background to this is that Debbie has really been struggling this last month. Losing time when normally she doesn't, etc. And she told me while waiting in the hospital that she's been hearing auditory hallucinations. This means "outside" her head. When I asked what they were saying she got really agitated. And the hardest part, as usual, is leaving Wisper. She was out a bit in the hospital and just wanted to come home to the bed and to her kitty cats and to Toughie, the stuffed tiger I bought her for Christmas. Her system has pretty much stopped communicating with each other...and this really didn't help. I wish we had good psych hospitals here so that this crisis could be an opportunity for real work...but it doesn't work like that. Just sort of standard issue "group therapy" and a little individual work with a therapist you've just met. I knew this was coming. And the reason I knew is because I assumed that the behavior of her Mom was designed to set this sort of thing off. So, what happens when you are paranoid AND you are right??? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 3/11/06 10:17 am

by **Dreams End** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:37 am

Question: At least two of Debbie's child alters talk in rather slurred speech as if drugged. Has anyone heard of alters adopting this form of speech due to drugs as part of abuse?

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