RA, cults and prostitution in Africa

by **Dreams End** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:00 pm

Nothing risky so far. The risk is getting overly stressed and/or overly paranoid. I have people helping me check in with myself pretty regularly to make sure I don't go off the deep end either way. As for helping Debbie...as I said...I don't even share this stuff with her therapist...in fact, there IS nothing to share. But since I'm aware this goes on and Debbie isn't...if she SHOULD start running into memories that go beyond the immediate family, I'll have lots of background and a network of people to help and provide info. Meanwhile, thinking about her mom, her dad and then experiences later, including a (at the least) verbally abusive ex-husband (drug dealer to boot...he's the grandson of the Schuller aide)...well, there's probably plenty there to have created DID. But there are things I wonder about. Why does one alter, for example, not get relief just from cutting but needs to actually SEE blood? These little things are not explainable from what we already know...and there may come a time when the therapist is open to hearing these other possibilities.

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:52 pm

OK, but recognize your limits before you get there, not after when it is too late. Know how to pace yourself, is what I'm saying, I guess.

by **Avalon** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:10 pm

Dreams End, I'm glad you published the longer piece from Questia. FWIW, the questions I was asking that needed clarification seemed to be the same that that therapist was exploring in depth. My own trance induction work has been strictly within a religious ceremonial context, in safe space. I'll run the "deeper and deeper" phrase by some of my colleagues at some point and see if it's had any of this kind of resonance that they've noticed. I did find myself with a red flag at the use of "You will soon be cured." I can't think of any medical or mental issues that really work in such a way that there is a cured/not cured status, at least in a session of work. While there can be progress of relatively fast duration sometimes, almost all processes take whatever time they need, and sometimes have temporary reversals. It's like cure is a carrot being dangled that you might catch "soon," rather than offering a process that works toward the desired end. Something we don't always realize in our online conversations but which we should never forget: we don't know what part of what we say gets absorbed by our readers or why, and we don't always get feedback about how what we said mattered. I got hit hard the other day by rereading a passage of yours, Dreams End: On silver linings.......and where you find them. I'm happy to report that my mother-in-law's stepfather was very abusive. That's normally not a good thing, of course, but she'd before always said that no trauma had led to her DID. Last night she told me of his violent nature...and she'd been with him since she was about 5." I had to push away from the computer and go make a cup of tea, and while waiting for the water to boil I found myself pacing around the kitchen. For me, it was being able to push blame, or explanation, back a generation (or, undoubtedly further back from there). That is the description we have of my own mother-in-law's childhood. She absolutely refuses pointblank to talk about it. It's not a matter of oh boy, now I can _really_ blame somebody. But it decisively took it out of the the realm of blaming the dysfunctional things I see in my husband and his siblings just to my MIL and FIL (who also didn't seem to have a warm fuzzy childhood, though I don't know that it was abusive as such). This was just "normal" domestic family abuse by amateurs as far as I can tell, not professionals with an agenda. Same as with my psychotic great-grandfather farmer, and things there are some possible strains of in my own father's line. I don't see anything anywhere that would indicate otherwise. Edited to correct html mistake, and to remove some personal material that I should not have posted. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=avalon@rigorousintuition>Avalon</A> at: 3/17/06 10:53 pm

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:31 pm

You know, I think there is a certain amount of "programming" that happens even in these "amateur" contexts. For example, how do folks like the ones in the thread about the child porn ring (centered near her, in Clarksville, by the way) always have such confidence that the victims won't tell? I think you can, just by "trial and error" start to learn how to control people without belonging to some group or other. Imagine an abusive mom telling her child that if they talk about X then a monster will get them. Presto, there's a monster inside who "attacks" when the person gets close to talking about the abuse. And if this is the case, then, sadly, it is surely the case that people have learned how to do this more deliberately and have passed that information on. But without specific memories, it could be pretty hard to tell the difference. Love to hear more details about your "family research" though you may have said all you feel comfortable saying about the "namesake." Editing out some identifying details....just to be completely safe. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 3/18/06 10:20 am

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:11 pm

In a very ironic aside...I was researching Debbie's mom's stepfather (the abusive one). He was a judge but very little could I find about him. But I happened to notice he shared a last name with a fairly well known radio reporter. Turns out they are related. And, drumroll, this reporter married someone whose last name is Rothschild.

by **havanagilla** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:36 pm

next thing you know is that your own wife is khazarian...

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:43 pm

Well, this would explain why the checks have not started arriving in the mail or why my global conspiracy initiation hasn't happened yet: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Rothschild (variant: Rothchild) is a German surname. Rothschild is a habitational name from a house distinguished with a red sign (Middle High German rōt "red" + schilt "sign", "shield"<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> , the earliest recorded example dating from the 13th century. The most notable family with this surname is the Mayer Amschel Rothschild family. This famous banking (Rothschild Bank) and wine (Chateau Mouton Rothschild and Chateau Lafite) family took it from a house so marked in the Jewish quarter of Frankfurt-am-Main , but the name has also been adopted by many Ashkenazi Jews unrelated to the family<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild</a>

by **blanc** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:10 pm

mostly, in ra , each individual piece of the jigsaw can be explained away in other terms. for that reason, I look at/for corroboration, while at the same time taking on trust. I think it is necessary to develop a mindset which is happy to have mental areas 'marked' in terms such as:- "alleged perpetrators", "possible causes", "working hypothesis" "areas to investigate" "tentative links" to not input suggestions/explanations/completions to the person telling you a story to wait for the evidence of memory, however long it takes not to expose the survivor to additional fear, anger, or feeling of being in a goldfish bowl you have a difficult role, additionally difficult because of your relationship, and the inevitable aspirations and stresses that such relationship carries. good luck to you both in finding a way through. I concur with the sentiment that other kinds of abuse carry parts of the ra mind-mess system, its not some ring fenced phenomenon, either in terms of processes or people - ie things which are done in one kind of abusing or torturing scenario and often the people doing those things, link with all the other kinds of harm giving.

by **biaothanatoi** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>So I stay in a twilight area. Open to the possibilities but never a smoking gun.<hr></blockquote> I stuck around for a few years before I had undeniable proof - before then, I was in 'twilight' too. But once it happened - when I saw injuries on her body she couldn't have inflicted, when I heard the voices of perps on the phone, when "victims" started calling trying to get her back into the group - I basically said to myself "Of course. What did you expect?" Also, they were smoking guns to me but not to the authorities. Unless I could 'capture' the evidence somehow (photos, transcripts) it just didn't make a difference to the cops. And I couldn't do that without breaching her confidentiality, since she desperately wanted it all kept secret.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:13 pm

Well, nothing that dramatic here, I'm thankful to say. She has no group. And we are starting to get a variety of odd calls...but can't really say for sure it's anything other than devious telemarketers. No disappearances or unexplained marks. In fact, if there were indications of people coming after her in that way a lot would change. Like our address. And probably my posting about this on a board somewhere. So, I'll take lack of evidence over those sorts of events. Now, here's a little trail that I think turned out to be a dead end. Last night, Wisper, the 4 year old was out...and wanting more Oz stories. As we read I asked if she'd like to go to Oz (leading question, I know.) She said she HAD gone. She said that you can go if you click your heels three times. You have to say "there's no place like OZ" instead of home. She said that she has done this before but she only ever sees the cowardly Lion in a garden in the Emerald city. I asked why she'd never told me this and she said it was a secret and she wasn't supposed to tell ANYBODY. So, I thought maybe this was some sort of trance inducing language. So I said, "Let's try it." I said it...and nothing happened, though she did click her heels together. She then told me you have to be asleep first. I asked if there was a magic sleep word but she said "I don't know". She did go to sleep fairly quickly after that and Debbie had no memory of that conversation (though that's less unusual these days.) So, just another little tidbit that may mean nothing. But she was so specific about how you do it and exactly where she goes and who she sees (only the Cowardly Lion, when she likes so many characters and would LOVE to play with Dorothy). So who knows.

by **biaothanatoi** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>And we are starting to get a variety of odd calls...but can't really say for sure it's anything other than devious telemarketers.<hr></blockquote> Yeah, it's hard to keep your head screwed on when things are so weird anyway. I got a series of bizarre text messages on my cell phone a few months ago. It went from "never forget how to love" to "you should be careful," "I hope she beats the shit out of you" and "guess who is knocking on your door?". Of course, I immidiately assumed it was the perps and sent a text back to that effect. Then my cell phone filled up with text message spam for the next month, and I realised it was probably just a spammer sending out random messages to try and get a response to confirm a cell phone number, which they can then sell on for advertising bucks. But that said ... when they first came back from her ... I was getting wierd phone calls in the middle of the night for a few years. Ticking clock phone calls. I ended up being pretty phobic of my cell phone and home phone for a while. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Last night, Wisper, the 4 year old was out...and wanting more Oz stories.<hr></blockquote> I guess I'm not telling you anything you don't know, DE, but one alter talking about Oz ... another about 'needing' to see blood ... her mother sending triggering messages about jumping off bridges ... it starts adding up after a while. I'd be suprised if RA disclosures weren't on the agenda at some point.

by **havanagilla** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:06 am

Ticking clock phone calls was it ticking clock or something ticking ? i had the same, in my land phone and it was part of a "scare attack" that drove me nuts and susceptible to manipulation. Rule number one for programmed mc victims is NOT to talk a lot on the phone and NOT to pick up any unknown number at all. preferably even not to have an answering maching/box. --- I just wanted to say that following the benevolent effect of this exchange (for me) I had the incentive to cut off another source of access to me. so, even if sometimes it feels really bad being on this board (for me), it had a practical effect in taking one more step towards safety. ------ Just wanted to share somehting I read this moment on the news internet here. Apparently, the head of a district (northern) in the Bureau of the Prime Minister (this is the bureau overseeing the secret services) had disappeared and ran away this week, following his debts to money lenders in the black market. The man, in charge of THE most sensitive was so corrupt he just has to hide now from various shady characters with whom he was doing business DURING and IN THE COURSE of his work. Well, anyway, in the backtalks to this sensational newsbit, one writer says something like "and now maybe police will check his colleague from the Southern district, who is a "licensed pedophile". ...mmm. Now I had the sense of the Southern district of Israel being a hub for many of the bizare pedophile mc/sra stuff. perhaps this explains it. anyway, the can of worms here just never ceases to amaze...(this is following the conviction of Omri Sharon, some of his buddies are being exposed). Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 3/19/06 9:13 pm

by **Dreams End** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:54 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"licensed pedophile"<hr></blockquote> ???? Well THERE'S the problem, right there. Yes, BIO, it's almost getting a little ridiculous, but each little thing can be explained on its own merits. And since I have no firm proof, approaching her with all this would simply be further traumatizing. Or she'd think I'm just nuts and not, therefore, a good support person. Plus, I'm also interpreting...probably even in the way I describe these events...through the lens of someone who has already heard of this stuff in the first place. But it doesn't help that all of our Oz books (and we have over half the series, were handed down directly from her mother. Many are the original editions (with library covers...not worth much). I will go out and find some other good books. I'm sorry there are only two Winnie the Pooh books....I mean by Milne...the modern ones are dumbed down garbage. And no negative info about Winnie the Pooh please...a guy can only take so much.

by **blanc** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:31 am

well that's a source of govt revenue as yet untapped in europe! does he have a little card in a plastic wallet I wonder, or a piece of paper with 20/30/50/100 places for a stamp each time he exercises his license, like gun licenses which allow you to buy 1000 rounds? Is it biometric or just the old fashioned kind? Did he need a medical certificate to get the license? Can he use his license anywhere? Know any good cartoonists Hava, be great on your website.

by **havanagilla** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:58 am

i assume it means the equivalent of "license to kill", in that spirit. the man is probably immune and formally engaging in pedophiliac activity maybe in his office ? who knows. you cannot believe the level of lawlessness here in israel, i think the only worse place nowadays is russia or one of those new former USSR republics. the other day I was having a casual chat with new russian immigrants neighbors and they told me about their problems with local mafia. they are selling flowers in restaurants for a living, and now, when they kind of do ok, the local "baron" announced that no more, from now on, he wants the business, and they are scared shitless. I suggested police and both of them just fell flat on the floor laughing their stomach out.

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