Susan Polk murder case

[StarmanSkye]

Stew Webb has a website devoted to 'outing' Gunderson as an official slimeball thug still working to protect CIA/FBI interests -- Lotta info and links. Webb claims Gunderson slandered him (Webb filed charges and apparently won a judgment), and conspired to threaten and kill him.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stewwebb.com/com/ted%20gunderson.html">www.stewwebb.com/com/ted%...erson.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Also featuring character slams, as:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stewwebb.com">www.stewwebb.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>OPEN LETTER TO TED GUNDERSON ET AL FROM BARBARA HARTWELL:<br><br>A PUBLIC REPORT ON CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY & RACKETEERING<br><br>18 Apr 2005 @ 19:22<br><br><br>Ted Gunderson (hereinafter referred to as 'gun')recently wrote the following words to my good friend and professional colleague, Barbara Hartwell:<br><br>"Do the righteous people of the world a service and, like other slimy creatures, slither back into the hole from which you came.<br>Ted L Gunderson, FBI-SAC(Ret)"<br>----------------------------------------------------<br>Geral Sosbee Ex-FBI Agent, Ex-Texas Prosecutor, Ex-Texas Judge<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sosbeevfbi.com">www.sosbeevfbi.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>writes:<br>Ted Gunderson's character:<br>Such words as quoted above when directed against one of the true and great Defenders of Liberty (Barbara Hartwell) offends all who read them, but especially those of us who know and respect Barbara for her stand against government corruption. Indeed the 'righteous' as you call them reject the use of such descriptions above because no human being merits such a label.<br>However, gun is steeped in the use of labels, especially those ! that send good and innocent people to torture chambers, to prisons or to their deaths; Gun is an expert by his own proclamation of his credentials (i.e.:SAC) in<br>a) black operations, b) mind games, c) secret agent-provocateur dirty deeds worldwide.<br>No, Gun, you are wrong. The world needs Barbara Hartwell more than you could possibly know/imagine ; and as you have sold out to the evil forces of a corrupt government (the United States of America) in return for your petty benefits, you are the one who must someday atone for the atrocities you approved, directed, or condoned against men and women over the past half century. Come clean , gun , about your knowledge regarding offenses and crimes against Humanity; help save the lives of targeted individuals ;and renounce the fascist state that you presently support; then, maybe people will listen to you.<br>You dare pretend to show a concern for the people of the United States when in fact you exploit the ignorance and fear of all who ! listen to you in order to further your own private interests and in order to perpetuate the destructive agenda of the cia and the fbi. The downfall of this country into a fascist state is in part your doing, gun, and you should not be proud of that, no matter how high an office you have attained.<br><br>Gerald Sosbee<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Starman, I am no fan of Gunderson...but those sites are a little...well...I guess others can check them out. I feel bad for Sosbee, and I'll bet anything he has been the victim of FBI actions, but most of his evidence is classic paranoia that doesn't even make sense. <br><br>It reminds me of "Curio Jones", the woman compiling evidence on SRA. She eventually completely lost it, or so it seems to me, handing out flyers implicating various celebrities in unlikely plots. (Actually, I'd love to hear more about that...I never found a full telling of her story.)<br><br>And Webb...well, back to the ole 13 ruling family Illuminati zionists. You know, I'm fully aware these sorts can find good info, but their interpretation goes so far beyond the evidence that no one not already predisposed to see Illuminati Zionists behind every rock will discount ALL of it. <br><br>Oh, I couldn't cut and paste from Webb's site. He says Gunderson was married very briefly to Anton LaVey's widow...has anyone ever seen that anywhere else? THAT would be fascinating, though I think LaVey was more side show than satanic network leader.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

If it weren't for the number of people who have ended up dead in investigations that Gunderson manages to stick his nose into, I would say that he is just a self-important wannabe. That whole crew--Gunderson, Hartwell, Stew Webb, "Ken Adachi, and the rest--seem to gain great energy from sliming each other, reminding me of "professional" mud wrestlers. It seems to be sport to them. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Imagine being a victim or family member of a victim trying to sort through all this. <br><br>So far, my wife's memories are still about "simple" abuse, but as I mentioned, I did talk privately with her therapist to make sure she was open to the possibility of RA. As I also mentioned, she said she'd worked with several cases which she found "convincing", meaning she didn't go out and verify them, but the stories hung together and the victims were quite believable. But for now, she is scrupulous in avoiding "contamination" of memories, which even MC victim Kathleen Sullivan warns against in her interview with Jeff. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[biaothanatoi]

It's interesting how RA is often seen through an "infection control" point of view - <br><br>For the denialists, the RA contagion was born in "Michelle Remembers", and it then spread and infected the States through the "body" of Christian fundamentalists ... <br><br>... denialist journos in Britain and Australia then claimed that the "contamination" was bought to their country from overseas when "infected" experts travelled there to provide seminars and speak at conferences ... <br><br>Meanwhile, social workers and psychologists are considered "infected" if they dare to read about the subject matter or seek training in it ... victims are "contaminated" by contact with these experts, or with one another ... <br><br>If we abide by this framework, the only way to remain "uninfected" is to preserve your ignorance - don't talk to anyone about it, read nothing on it, and don't speak about it. Then you'll be clean. <br><br>Because once you've got one of "those" books on your shelf, or attended one of PP's "hysterical" conferences of overzealous "believers", or dared to speak to an RA survivor, you've been "contaminated". You have lost your credibility in the eyes of the law or the media.<br><br>Basically, if you identify as an RA survivor - or as someone who believes a survivor - you are considered "unclean", crazy, messy, without critical faculties, dangerous to the social order. <br><br>Maybe it's time we started talking about RA in terms of stigma and discrimination? Because that is exactly what is going on here. <p></p><i></i>

[FranklinCase Admin]

For what it's worth....I remember in a DeCamp interview (I'm sorry I can't remember exactly which one) him saying that Gunderson had actually been requested by authorities in Nebraska to investigate DeCamp in order to debunk him and the Franklin allegations. Instead Gunderson found the case to have credence, and became one of DeCamp's allies. However, Gunderson became one of Rusty Nelson's advocates. Nelson seems to be someone who unfortunately I can't really trust. He says he knows all of this information about the Franklin matter, yet he seems to never really do anything with the knowledge except one statement he made in Paul Bonacci's 1999 civil suit when he stated that he had been Larry King's personal photographer at one time. Additionally, it was allegedly Nelson who Gary Caradori had met with in Chicago before his fateful flight back to Omaha, hopefully Nelson hadn't played Judas. I truly hope Gunderson and Nelson are on the up-and-up, but I'll have to go with Jeff's assertion-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Issues can be black and white, but never people. Motives can be muddied, and feet can be planted in different, and even seemingly contrary, worlds. It may not make someone particularly bad; it may just mean someone is complicated. Though sometimes, the contradictions can make them especially dangerous.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Nelson ultimately claimed they'd picked a "double" for him to photograph the illegal stuff. Don't you think it more likely that Rusty himself took the pics of adults with children? That seems to explain his limited disclosures as, even if he didn't DO any of the activities, he couldn't know if the others could prove he witnessed them, should any of them get in trouble. <br><br>And wasn't he recently arrested on possession of child porn? Think that was a frame up or maybe not a frame up but a message that he's dirty too and better keep his mouth shut? <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>...saying that Gunderson had actually been requested by authorities in Nebraska to investigate DeCamp in order to debunk him and the Franklin allegations. Instead Gunderson found the case to have credence,</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Says who, besides Gunderson and DeCamp, that is? With Gunderson, I prefer to have his I's dotted and his T's crossed. <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

As for Rusty Nelson, I agree, DE, except that I found the timing of his arrest....coincidental. <p></p><i></i>

[Newsmakingnews]

Ted Gunderson married Anton LaVey's widow shortly after Anton died and she divorced him rather quickly.<br><br>There were estate proceedings in San Francisco. Anton had a boy, about age 3, and provided for him. <br><br>Ted Gunderson stuck his nose into the probate proceedings, but I don't think he obtained copies of LeVey's files, writings or any of his property.<br><br>Kate Dixon<br>Newsmakingnews.com <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

Who are they ? i found one kirschenbaum who is heading a "family therapy center" and no morris as lawyer. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

Kate, thanks. Wondering if you know of any links that document the Gunderson/LaVey marriage, or if you've been able to corroborate the info offline. All I can find is Stew Webb, and I don't consider him a reliable source. <p></p><i></i>