Dunblane: aristocrats, Masons & Pedophilia (sound famili

by **AlicetheCurious** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:04 am

I post this article in its entirety, because it seems to be increasingly difficult to find on the net. It was posted at: <a href="http://rain.prohosting.com/imoffi/nmay32004.htm">rain.prohosting.com/imoffi/nmay32004.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>WHO ARE THEY TRYING TO PROTECT? 25 May 2004 Marcello Mega DUNBLANE INQUIRY WAS A COVER-UP AND PEERS BULLIED ME TO KEEP QUIET SAYS LORD BURTON, EX-MASONS LEADER THE inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a massive cover-up, a top Scots Freemason has sensationally claimed. Former Grand Master Lord Burton says that Lord Cullen's official probe suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures. He says they may belong to a secretive "super-Mason" group called The Speculative Society. Some had links to Dunblane's Queen Victoria School -where gunman Thomas Hamilton was allowed to roam free before the 1996 atrocity. And Lord Burton revealed that he was bullied and threatened by other peers when he tried to raise his concerns in the House of Lords. Last night the 79-year-old aristocrat said: "There's no escaping the fact that there's something sinister about the whole affair." He was prompted into action after reading in the News of the World last month that police are investigating claims that pupils at QVS were regularly taken away and sexually abused. The Cullen Inquiry failed to investigate why suspected paedophile Hamilton was allowed to wander around the school whenever he liked, running camps and using the shooting range. Murder Former housemaster Glenn Harrison told us how he even found Hamilton, 43, creeping around the dormitories at night. He said Hamilton, who murdered 16 pupils and a teacher at Dunblane Primary School in 1996, had close links to a top cop. Glenn said he was aghast that he was never called to give evidence at the Cullen Inquiry. He said: "I was one of the people who was making a fuss about Hamilton long before he killed those children, but no one wanted to listen." Now Lord Burton has contacted him at his new home in the Shetland Islands, saying he believes Glenn wasn't called to give evidence to avoid the embarrassment of top legal names being dragged into it. The QVS school is for children of the military services and has long-standing links to high office -its current patron is the Duke of Edinburgh. Whoever holds the position of Secretary of State for Scotland becomes president and Scotland's second-most senior judge, the Lord Justice Clerk, becomes a commissioner. Lord Burton said: "I was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland at the time and I'm aware that most of the conspiracy theories around Dunblane revolve around allegations of a Masonic conspiracy. "I do have some difficulty with that, but I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society. "The society was formed at Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route. But Hamilton was never a Mason. His grandfather was." Current members of The Speculative Society include Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates. Lord Burton has been trying for years to get to the bottom of the conspiracy theories, using his influence in the House of Lords until the reforms meant he was no longer entitled to sit in Westminster. Last night he said: "I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them." But the determined peer pressed on and in 1999, asked a question in the Lords which revealed that documents from the inquiry had been ordered to be locked up for 100 years. Among them was a police report revealing that Hamilton had been accused of sexually abusing boys and had been considered by some officers unfit to hold a firearms licence. Secrecy Lord Burton added: "We still need to know why that was necessary. Who was the secrecy protecting?" Although the official reason is to protect the families of possible abuse victims, it's unusual for documents to be locked up unless for matters of national security. In July, Dunblane ambulance worker Sandra Uttley told the News of the World how she and friend Doreen Hagger had drawn up a 50-point, 5,000-word dossier calling for secrecy surrounding the tragedy to be lifted. They claimed that dozens of questions have gone unanswered and crucial lines of enquiry were ignored. Former ambulance worker Sandra said: "There may be other individuals who should face prosecution." Glenn Harrison had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and abuse while he was at the QVS and wrote to parents warning of the dangers in 1991. It led to him being ousted from the school and just days before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files. When Glenn read Sandra's story, he went back to police -and this time they agreed to investigate . Last night he said he in turn had been glad to receive the call from Lord Burton. He added: "I've been making noises for years and I sometimes despair and think it's time to just accept we'll never get to the truth. "But I think we owe it to all the people who were so affected by the killings to continue to demand answers to the many questions that were never asked." Glenn told us that Hamilton had been a friend of Ben Philip, the senior housemaster at the QVS. Mr Philip died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from a ladder while hanging decorations. Glenn said: "They were friends so Hamilton was a regular visitor to the school and I was introduced to him. "Ben Philip was a decent guy who was very trusting. "I think he thought he and Hamilton shared interests in things like the outdoors, and he couldn't see that Hamilton had another motive for wanting to be around the school. "Hamilton ran camps in the school grounds, and he used the shooting range freely. Haunted "He came and went as he pleased, almost as if he owned the place, and no one has ever tried to explain why he had such freedom. "I am still haunted by the memory of picking up my newspaper on March 14 1996 and reading about what had occurred at Dunblane Primary School the day before. "I just knew the killer had to be Thomas Hamilton. He should have been stopped." Demands have already been made to the Scottish Executive to investigate the influence of The Speculative Society. It was formed in 1764 as an offshoot of the Masons and has counted Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson and Hugh MacDiarmid among its most celebrated members. The Spec, as it is known, is described by its members as a debating club. They meet in candlelit vaults below Edinburgh University's Old College in the winter. Prospective members are normally approached while they study at the university. Its membership -which was secret until a year ago -reads like a Who's Who of the rich and powerful in Scotland. Campaigners were determined to reveal the membership amid concerns, many expressed by senior lawyers who are not members, of the disproportionate influence the Spec is said to wield. One legal figure who has long been suspicious of the Spec said: "Members laugh off the suspicions and say it's just a debating club. "But, given that the members are picked as undergrads and almost without exception go on to reach the pinnacle of their careers, you have to think either that those making the selection are very astute at spotting potential, or that membership gives you a leg up in life. "I know which option I favour." <a href="http://forum.c0balt.com/viewtopic.php?t=968">forum.c0balt.com/viewtopic.php?t=968</a> The News of the World December 28, 2003 <hr></blockquote>

by **Byrne** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:17 pm

Alice, The whole <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Massacre" target="top">Dunblane Massacre</a> business stinks. There was an enquiry set up to investigate the background that led to Thomas Hamilton killing 16 children and a teacher in a school gymnasium in March 1996 - <a href="http://www.archive.official-documents.co.uk/document/scottish/dunblane/dunblane.htm" target="top">The Cullen Enquiry</a>. Some sections of the enquiry were then subject to a 100 year ban (see <a href="http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=763&id=176062003" target="top">Who does the 100-year ban protect? - Scotsman Article</a>. There was Masonic influence all through the background to Thomas Hamilton, including Hamilton being awarded a Gun Licence on the character reference of Lord George Robertson (who went on to become the General Secretary of NATO). There were official denials that Thomas Hamilton was ever a Mason, however a closer inspection of the case highlights a number of anomalies & cover ups - See <a href="http://www.silentmajority.co.uk/eurorealist/Cullen/index.html" target="top">here</a>, for further info (& from where the letter transcript below has been copied): <hr /> I have taken the liberty of transcribing below a letter which was first sent in November 1996 to The Press & Journal of Aberdeen, HRH the Duke of Edinburgh and The Gun Club of Great Britain. No response was received. The substance was as a result sent to The House of Commons subsequently no response thereto was received. I have taken the liberty of removing the identity of the original sender for their own security. TRANSCRIPT: "With regard to recent publicity correlating secret organisations with paedophilia, particularly the Free Masons, I would like to bring to your attention the link between the abuse of boys at the Queen Victoria School (QVS), Dunblane. The large presence of Freemasons in that establishment and the slaughter of 16 children and a teacher at Dunblane by Thomas Hamilton on 13 March 1996. As far as I know no such link was revealed in the Cullen Report. In June 1994 I released a report about my own experience as a ******* at QVS. A copy of my report was sent to almost every Scottish education authority in July 1994. I believe that, had my allegations in 1991 been properly investigated, there is a strong possibility that Hamilton would have been discovered. His signatures in the visitors log have been removed. The awful slaughter in March 1996 could have been prevented by an impartial police investigation. In my report of June 1994 I accused the Ministry of Defence (MOD), the Scottish Office and the Procurator Fiscal of a deliberate cover up and of maladministration at the QVS. The Masonic presence in the local police and the QVS was strong. It is a fact that Hamilton was enrolled in Lodge Number 1417 (Garrow Hill) in 1977. He was granted a firearms certificate in 1997. It was no idle boast when Hamilton claimed he was "a friend of the police" (Masons). In March 1996, just after the slaughter, Hamilton's file went missing. Hamilton was a regular visitor to the primary departments of QVS. I saw him on several occasions as a friend of a housemaster. He was one of many visitors. I presume the school security had cleared him. Nothing of this was in the Cullen report. Lord Cullen is a Mason with a duty to protect brother Masons. There is evidence to show corruption and maladministration by the police. The following statement will show why the police are not going to be investigated. <hr />

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:29 pm

sends up an awful smell. <a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/06/dunblane-update-police-involved-in.html">This Daily Telegraph</a> story isn't found at it's original link anymore; I've copied it from a blog post last year: Police, killer in child sex ring  EDINBURGH: Police were involved in a paedophile ring that covered up abuse allegations against the man responsible for the infamous Dunblane school massacre. The astonishing claim was made by former paramedic Sandra Uttley, who is going to the European Court of Human Rights to demand a new inquiry into the tragedy. The 45-year-old, who dealt with the aftermath of the killings in her job as a paramedic, said: "There are glaring anomalies in the inquiry, inconsistencies in witness testimony, incorrect information given on oath and the absence of vital witnesses. "It is also blatantly obvious that Central Scotland Police, who were chosen to investigate the background to the murders, should never have been involved in a so-called independent inquiry. They were implicated in the events under scrutiny and continually provided Hamilton with renewals of his gun licence despite long-term and repeated warnings that this should not happen. It was known that Hamilton had friends in the police force, including one highly placed officer. "I believe that Hamilton was a major provider of pornographic photographs and videos to a ring of men prominent in Central Scotland, including police officers who protected him from numerous allegations of physical abuse at boys' camps and clubs he ran. They protected themselves after the massacre which conveniently ended in his suicide." Last year Ms Uttley's former partner, Mick North, whose five-year-old daughter Sophie was killed, said he was "convinced" of a cover-up.

by **havanagilla** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:18 pm

thanks Alice for the link and RI for pursuant explanations. I am a bit at a loss with the masonic issue but recently running into more clues and footprints here. My personal experience is somehow leading me to mason/italian knots, and I am reading in the internet that the grand lodge of israel masonry is under a certain lodge of Italy for historical reasons or others. -- Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 6/20/06 3:39 pm

by **HMKGrey** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:23 pm

The 100-year ban was lifted a short while ago. <a href="http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2005/09/29/newsstory7589476t0.asp">www.thecourier.co.uk/outp...9476t0.asp</a> I guess they'd cleaned everything up by then.

by **friend catcher** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:10 pm

<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1807800,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...00,00.html</a> I live in Balmaha where Hamilton ran his camp and although he must have been a recognisable figure I've yet to meet anyone who will even mention his name.This is a taboo subject in many ways, and people here really try not to think about it. personally I take a detour around Dunblane whenever I'm heading to Perth and I think I'm not the only one. Bad vibes. One other point of interest is that some farmers got rid of their shotguns immediately after it, not under duress but simple hostility to firearms.

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:33 pm

LORD Robertson has started a landmark legal action against a Scottish newspaper over internet allegations falsely accusing him of helping Thomas Hamilton, the Dunblane killer, obtain his gun licence. The secretary general of NATO has lodged a writ with the Court of Session in Edinburgh demanding £200,000 compensation over the claims, plus the full costs of the action. The writ claims that comments posted on the message board of the Sunday Herald newspaper’s website, accusing him of signing a firearms certificate recommendation for Hamilton and using his influence to force the police to ignore their suspicions about the killer, were "false and calumnious". Lord Robertson, the former defence secretary, also claims the allegations could hinder his chances of finding another job when he stands down as the head of NATO later this year. The comments made on the website on 9 February were prompted by an on-line discussion forum for readers relating to public concern that certain documents relating to the Dunblane massacre of March 1996 were to remain classified for 100 years. Under the headline: "Should the Dunblane dossier be kept secret?", the newspaper website invited readers to comment on speculation that prominent Scots were closely linked to Hamilton, asking: "Is the secrecy a smokescreen?" An allegation was posted on the board by a reader incorrectly claiming that the then Mr Robertson had signed a firearms certificate recommendation because he was Thomas Hamilton’s MP. Mr Robertson actually represented Hamilton South, was never Thomas Hamilton’s MP and never signed such a document. The writ says that a second message posted by a different reader said: "As for that Robertson bloke! Never did trust him. How did he get that job as head of NATO?" Another contributor claimed: "People are being protected here." In his writ, Lord Robertson claims that due to a lack of website policing, the offending comments remained on the newspaper’s internet message board for more than three weeks and were read by an estimated 600,000 people before they were removed. It is not known if the identity of the individuals who made the statements will be made public but they are alleged to be registered users of the Sunday Herald message board. The newspaper refused to comment. Lord Robertson’s representative, Martin Smith, a leading libel lawyer, was unavailable for comment. Lord Robertson’s spokesman at NATO said: "It is a private matter." In 1996, Mr Robertson told Lord Cullen’s public inquiry into the Dunblane massacre that he became concerned about Hamilton’s militaristic camps after his own son attended Dunblane Rovers, a boys’ club run by Hamilton, in 1983. He spoke of his fears to Michael Forsyth, the MP for Stirling (where Hamilton lived) and the Scottish secretary at the time of the massacre. Mr Robertson kept him informed about Hamilton’s clubs, sending documents highlighting parents’ concerns. These documents are banned from public view under Lord Cullen’s 100-year rule. There has yet to be a test case in Scotland of whether a company is responsible for information posted on internet message boards. Gordon Deane, a partner in commercial litigation with Shepherd & Wedderburn, said: "The nature of the internet means documents published and uploaded in one country can be viewed and downloaded all over the world, exposing publishers to the libel laws of potentially any nation which provides internet access." <a href="http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=757932003">news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=757932003</a> ----- Dunblane secret documents contain letters by Tory and Labour ministers Investigation: By Neil Mackay, Home Affairs Editor LETTERS between Labour and Tory ministers and correspondence relating to Thomas Hamilton's alleged involvement with Freemasonry are part of a batch of more than 100 documents about the Dunblane mass murder which have been sealed from public sight for 100 years. The documents include a letter connected to Hamilton, which was sent by George Robertson, currently head of Nato, to Michael Forsyth, who was then Secretary of State for Scotland. Until now it was thought that a 100-year public secrecy order had only been placed on one police report into Hamilton which allegedly named high-profile politicians and legal figures. However, a Sunday Herald investigation has uncovered that 106 documents, which were submitted to the Dunblane inquiry in 1996, were also placed under the 100-year rule. The Scottish Executive has claimed the 100-year secrecy order was placed on the Central Police report, which was drafted in 1991 five years before the murders, to protect the identities of children named in the report. Hamilton had allegedly abused a number of children prior to his 1996 gun attack on Dunblane primary school in which 16 primary one children and a teacher died before Hamilton turned his gun on himself. However, only a handful of the documents, which the Sunday Herald has discovered to be also subject to the 100-year rule, relate to children or name alleged abuse victims. The most intriguing document is listed as: 'Copy of letter from Thomas Hamilton to Dunblane parents regarding boys' club, and flyer advertising Dunblane Boys' Sports Club. Both sent to Rt Hon Michael Forsyth, MP, Secretary of State for Scotland, by George Robertson MP.' Also closed under the 100-year rule is a 'submission to Lord James Douglas Hamilton, MP, Minister of State at the Scottish Office, concerning government evidence to the Inquiry'. Another document relates to correspondence between the clerk of the Dunblane inquiry, which was presided over by Lord Cullen, and a member of the public regarding 'possible affiliations of Thomas Hamilton with Freemasonry ... and copy letters from Thomas Hamilton'. SNP deputy justice minister, Michael Matheson, said: 'The explanation to date about the 100 -year rule was that it was put in place to protect the interests of children named in the Central Police report. How can that explanation stand when children aren't named? The 100-year rule needs to be re-examined with respect to all documents.' Matheson has written to the Lord Advocate, Colin Boyd, asking why the 100-year rule applies and how it can be revoked. He has so far had no response. He also asked First Minister Jack McConnell to explain the reasons for the 100-year order but received 'no substantial answer'. Matheson is to write to Colin Boyd a second time, in the light of the discovery that more than 100 other documents are also sealed, asking him to account for the decision. A spokeswoman for the Crown Office said: 'In consultation with the Crown Office and the Scottish Office, Lord Cullen agreed that in line with the age of some of the individuals involved and named in the inquiry, the closure period would be 100 years. The Lord Advocate is considering issuing a redacted copy of the productions, which would blank out identifying details of children and their families. A decision on this has yet to be made.' Other sealed key reports on Dunblane include: A 'comparative analysis of Thomas Hamilton' by Central Scotland Police Information about Hamilton's 'use and possession of firearms' Pathology reports, Hamilton's autopsy report, and analysis by Glasgow University's forensic science lab on blood, urine and liver samples from Hamilton's body Details on firearms licensing policies A review by Alfred Vannet, regional procurator fiscal of Grampian, Highland and Islands, of 'reports and information in respect of Thomas Hamilton submitted to the procurator fiscals of Dumbarton and Stirling by Strathclyde Police and Central Police' A psychological report on Hamilton Guidance from the British Medical Association on granting firearms licences 'Transcript of and correspondence relating to answering-machine tape which accidentally recorded conversation between police officers at the scene of the Dunblane incident' Correspondence and witness statements 'relating to allegations of sexual abuse made against Hamilton' 02 March 2003 <a href="http://www.sundayherald.com/31830">www.sundayherald.com/31830</a>

by **anotherdrew** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:33 pm

Just saw this letter to the July 2006 Fortean Times... In the letter a man reports that his brother was woken by a news report on his alarm clock radio. The news report was about the dunblane tragedy. He decided not to wake his wife about it and went to work. Later at work a co-worker asks if he's heard the news and he finds that the tragedy has only JUST occured, while the news report he heard was on hours previously. Anyway, this event ties in nicely with the premonitions and such RI has been dealing with. So did someone cast Sheldrakes Morphic Field (lvl 6, VSM) on this guy or did the bastards slip up and give one radio station the news before it happened? Would love to know if anyone else heard that broadcast, or could pull the broadcast tapes from that time, although they're long since gone I'm sure.

by **StarmanSkye** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:43 pm

"sends up an awful stink." I agree most emphatically. What a horrific outrage -- re. the evident cover-up by high muckety-muck police officials, and 'other' civil servants who no-doubt exerted pressure at high levels. The whole reeking scandal needs to be blown out of the water, and culpability for obstruction of justice traced to specific individuals. This is the same kind of pernicious corruption at the highest levels of power that tragically infects so much of the 'western' world -- which would be bad enough even IF the western nations didn't assume such absolute heights of moral superiority and demand unquestioning accomodation for their assumed perks and priveleges, otherwise seen to be nothing but the hypocrisy of extreme arrogance, conceit and bullying parading as 'leadership'. Cripes, but WHY do we put up with such horrid, despicable abuses of power? (Quasi-rhetorical question -- as of-course the 'answer' is complex and continually being discovered on forums such as this -- for which I am deeply appreciative of the example of courageous truthtelling, debate and talking truth to power.) SOMETIMES I'm almost tempted to consider condoning the moral righteousness of good guys with white hats playing just as loose and hard and fast and furious as the scum-sucking dirtbag PTB thugs. Thanks for the heads-up on this segment of 'business as usual' by the usual suspects. A 'purge' is sure loooong overdue. Wouldn't it be something if public outrage were to become so great that all the dominos of the foul, blackhearted opportunist elites were toppled by the too-long suppressed, overwhelming demand for justice and decency, reason and accountability? Ah well, one can (and MUST, in the face of contrary evidence) hope and dream for Victory of The people over the illegitimate bloodsoaked Overlords, eh? Starman

by **slimmouse** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:17 pm

I truly cant believe that there is much focus on the twentieth Hijacker crap......hows that for a laugh.....or the recent sacrifice of 2 US troops attributed to Al Quaedas latest mastermind.......whilst the blatantly obvious control of things, by the usual suspects ( see this entire thread ) doesnt arouse more than sufficient anger from just about anyone of a reasonable mind, on this board. Unless that is , you feel secure in thinking that it wont be your children who are abused, murdered or eaten. Unless, Perhaps youre one of those doing such unspeakable shit. Or perhaps some have sympathies towards these guys. Gotta to expect some kind of distraction on a board like this, to serious issues. Next news, the average guy with half a brain will be expected to believe that it IS possible for a 42 storey building to collapse at freefall speed in midafternoon....due to heat ........Too funny.

Dunblane: aristocrats, Masons & Pedophilia (sound famili

Dunblane: aristocrats, Masons & Pedophilia (sound famili

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a 100-year ban, on anything,

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Robertson sues over Dunblane killer allegations

from an earlier post I made...

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I truly cant believe.....

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