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Occult help? *Warning* Not for the faint of heart...

Postby Uncle Scam » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:42 am

Namaste'<br><br>After reading this I was, first of course appalled, however after the initial shock degraded to a dulling level I begain to wonder of the occult significance. Maybe after your reaction perhaps someone with more knowlegde than myself could offer thoughts comments or opinions.<br><br>Again this is not pretty...<br><br>For those w/ptsd fair warning the following is nightmareishly horror filled.<br><br>A REVOLTING TRUTH? <br><br><br>One international official told me of reports among his staff that a 15-year-old girl had been beheaded and a dog's head sewn on her body in its place; and of a young child who had had his hands drilled and bolted together before being killed.<br><br>For those whom chose to read it, I was wondering, if there are any occult conclusions one could draw from the occult symbology of the above I'am aware of the Egyptian god Anubis/Chronos, but not at all familar w/ much, within this theme, of dogheads on biped bodies, and such. Further, I am particularly interested in any (if any) tie in's w/pre-Zoroastrian or Indo-Iranian/perisian resonances that anyone would know of. That is all I would like to comment on for now. I have further to add, but would rather wait to hear from you knowledgable people before concluding on why I'm curious as this this. Thanks so much.<br><br>ps. I know there are brilliantly knowledgeable people on this board, please bare with me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Occult help? *Warning* Not for the faint of heart...

Postby Uncle Scam » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:45 am

Well crap here the link..<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=24150">www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=24150</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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not just Iraq

Postby blanc » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:55 am

the tone of the article was that this kind of extremely degaded behaviour is found amongst iraqi's "how can you win over the heart and mind etc'<br><br>testimony which was smothered in the dutroux affair (belgium), amongst other similar sadistic abuse cases, is every bit as revolting, if not identical in detail. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: not just Iraq

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:26 pm

Incredible. The dog's head sounds like they're trying(sloppily) to 'make' Annubis.<br><br>What makes them think an American didn't do it? I've never, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>ever</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, heard of a ritualisitic killing like that before.. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Cui bono?

Postby Avalon » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:25 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>How can you win over the heart and mind of someone who sews a dog's head on a girl?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>There's not enough here to tell why they make the assumption that an Iraqi did it. Dogs are subject to a deep cultural conflict in Islam -- while they are to be found in Muslim countries, dogs are felt to be impure creatures and there is wide revulsion to them. One of the most incendiary anti-Muslim cartoons in the news this winter (not of the original Norwegian 12, but one said to have been received in response to their publication and exhibited as an example of anti-Muslim bigotry) was one showing a Muslim being raped by a dog while praying.<br><br>Islamic Concerns: Dogs in Islam<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp">www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>Perhaps the only greater perceived insult (or way to push buttons) would be to use a pig instead of a dog. But dogs would be far more available.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>U.S. personnel have also used dogs as part of the interrogation process, which—in addition to inducing fear—many Muslims consider to be unclean. In December 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld approved “using detainees’ individual phobias (such as fear of dogs) to induce stress” at Guantánamo. Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, then the top U.S. commander in Iraq, authorized Abu Ghraib interrogators in September 2003 to “exploit Arab fear of dogs. ” The interrogators then used dogs on detainees in a manner that was captured in the Abu Ghraib photographs. </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> -- Human Rights Watch <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/05/19/usdom10981.htm">hrw.org/english/docs/2005...m10981.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More vital information

Postby Avalon » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:13 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Read the article more carefully, and ask yourself what standards of evidence we see here.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Where does this information come from?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>We read it in the link to the "The Plank," the blog at The New Republic's site. They say it is from "CNN's Nic Robertson" (he's CNN's senior international correspondent), present it as a direct quote of Robertson by setting it off typographically. But they don't say where that is from.<br><br>CNN.com does not bring up any of this on their website, and a look at this on Google news and the general web show that only the Plank and ThinkProgress.org (and now RigInt) are running it. A Google of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"nic robertson" drilled bolted</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> brings no relevant articles. It doesn't come up in any transcripts of Robertson on CNN, and frankly would show a real lapse of judgement to be presenting this on a general news feed that kids could see.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Who is the primary source of information?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The New Republic heard it from Nic who heard it from an unnamed "international official" who heard it from unnamed staffers who very likely heard it from someone else.<br><br>That is <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>at best</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> fifth hand information.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fifth hand information.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> No names, dates, places, photographs or any other verifiable facts about the alleged original incident. No names of the people in the chain who are bringing this story forward, so that their credibility can be examined.<br><br>Then there's this astute observation:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I’m AMAZED no one picked up the reference to ‘Mars Attacks!’, in which Sarah Jessica Parker has a DOG’S HEAD SEWN TO HER DECAPITATED BODY.<br><br>Now, I ask you, is that the kind of movie reference you would expect Shiite terrorists to make?<br><br>It’s quite a bit more likely that this is one of them new Skinhead Nazi U.S. Military new-hires, with a sense of humor honed in the backwoods and gullies of Alabama. --Paul in LA </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/10/the-horrors-of-iraq/">thinkprogress.org/2006/07...s-of-iraq/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>To confirm this, see mention of Industrial Light and Magic's work on the scene: "Lake's head was also removed from her body and was replaced with the head of her chihuahua. The melding of Lake's head on a CG dog was fantastic." <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.vfxhq.com/1996/mars-ilm.html">www.vfxhq.com/1996/mars-ilm.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Given the lack of sourcing, lack of evidence, and a cultural reference that would be far more likely to appeal to an American monster than an Iraqi monster, until I hear otherwise I am inclined to think that this is bunkum. What's going on that we need a shiny object dangled in front of us to distract us?<br><br>Feel free to circulate my postings on this. I think this is going to go out of control really fast unless it gets countered, and that it is in someone's interest to spread this vile and disgusting assertion.<br><br>Avalon<br><br>The original claim:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>One international official told me of reports among his staff that a 15-year-old girl had been beheaded and a dog's head sewn on her body in its place; and of a young child who had had his hands drilled and bolted together before being killed.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=24150">www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=24150</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Good catch, Avalon

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:47 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/marsattacks.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>I've sat through some extreme material, but I found those scenes strangely distressing. Chiefly, I think, because they were <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>supposedly</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> comedic. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Good catch, Avalon

Postby Avalon » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:30 pm

I guess the fairy tale from the first Gulf war about how the inhuman Iraqi monsters took the Kuwaiti babies out of the incubators and left them to die (absconding with the incubators) was already taken, so they had to make a different one up.<br><br>There's actually a rather amusingly common-sense comment at The New Republic by jacksonsher, someone who obvously sews (I sew myself, and have sewn heads on stuffed dolls, and it makes sense to me):<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Now you'd have us believe that the beheaders have taken up sewing?? Sewwing a dogs head on seems like a lot of trouble to go to once the beheading is done. I mean, have you ever worked a dead body? These guys would give up on the sewing pretty after the first couple of times she flopped out of place. And if they did slog through it, then they don't put any pictures out? We'd have seen it on oggrish.com. If you're going for plausibilty, I'd start claiming they stappled the head in place. </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/show_comments.mhtml?b=theplank&pid=24150">www.tnr.com/blog/show_com...&pid=24150</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Occult help? *Warning* Not for the faint of heart...

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:27 pm

5th hand info, eh?<br><br>I'll bet this shit traces back to something like the Lincoln Group.. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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backwoods?

Postby zjurhgvc » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:45 am

Quote: <br><br>It’s quite a bit more likely that this is one of them new Skinhead Nazi U.S. Military new-hires, with a sense of humor honed in the backwoods and gullies of Alabama. --Paul in LA thinkprogress.org/2006/07...s-of-iraq/<br><br>Ah yes, those evil rednecks from Deliverance--snake handlers and arsenic drinkers. Aren't THEY the creepy ones! I'll go for the video-game zombies from Peoria myself. <p></p><i></i>
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Assholes at The New Republic

Postby Avalon » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:07 am

Update: a little more context for the original story.<br><br>The New Republic chose to leave out some very crucial text after the description of the alleged atrocities:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Whether or not the reports are accurate, the staff took them as fact. It seems in this climate of fear, no act is so barbaric it can't be believed.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Nic Robertson, CNN, Baghdad."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Which totally changes the meaning of the passage from <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>LOOK WHAT THESE MONSTERS DID!</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to a more reasonable <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO BELIEVE ANY CRAZY STORIES GOING AROUND</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>More complete text was found at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.first-draft.com//modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6488">www.first-draft.com//modu...e&sid=6488</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Assholes at The New Republic

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:10 am

lol..<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Re: Assholes at The New Republic

Postby Avalon » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:11 pm

Here's the CNN transcript:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0607/09/sun.06.html">transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS...un.06.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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