by Gouda » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:57 am
Points taken, all. Thanks. I do take some exception, though, to one of Biao's remarks: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The conspiracy/"parapolitically"-minded want to hear about Bush and Cheney and mind-controlled presidential sex slaves and that is how they frame RA - but they only do so by ignoring the stories that are coming up from the ground.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>First, I don't think it is fair or correct to say that parapolitically-minded researchers <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>want</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to hear about mind-controlled presidential sex slaves. I don't. And not the researchers I am inclined to lend credibility to. Unfortunately, there are some who probably do, and they are the ones minimizing or ignoring all the other abuses. As for presidential sex-slaves (and mc, and assassinations, and programmed spies, etc and other high-level hijinks utilizing ra) it's just that we <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>have</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> heard about them, whether we like it or not, from the victims themselves. And I think it is an overreaching generalization to say that by looking into high-level elite ra and mc, one neglects to see the rest. I think, I hope, that is not the case with the parapolitically-minded here at RI. Just a bit defensive about the "RI culture" which I hope is cultivating better frameworks for analysis here than elsewhere. But you are probably right in general when looking at the wider conspiracy culture out there, woeful as it is. I agree we need to continue to be <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"talking to the evidence."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>There may not be a "shadowy organisation behind [every] 'social problem'", but there <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>is</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a large amount of evidence that the secret services, corporate fraternities, and elements in the military-industrial complex (if these are not "shadowy groups" I do not know who is) utilize ra and have an inordinate amount of influence on these social problems. They may not have created every ill in society, because they are part of the Ill, but they sure do have the power and resources to profit and manipulate this stuff on a larger and more dangerous scale than your average pimp. <br><br>I think blanc's comments speak well to this and offer the start of a synthesis in understanding between the political and the legal approaches to ra (blanc, sorry if I am taking the liberty to quote you here as a response) - <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Based to some extent on personal experience, to some extent on witness accounts I trust, and to some extent on reading, I do think that mc and ra in its current form are linked, and that it is in the political arena where those links are most obvious...<br><br>The expansion of the crimes associated with and involved in ritual abuse is, I think, a direct result of the involvement of the secret services...<br><br>It is because the political dimension that is specifically of crime committed under the umbrella of government, which uses the bonding bribery and blackmail of ra to keep rolling, that the humble victim of much humbler perpetrators, so rarely gets justice.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Double-whammy for the humbler victims of abuse, trafficking, etc: besides their own specific abuse, the crimes of the more powerful perps steal the spotlight of justice from them. In any case, far too few receive justice, whether they be "high" or "low" perps or victims. There needs to be people working in the trenches <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>and</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> at higher levels to fight this stuff, attacking both elite structures and regular societal structures, from many disciplines and angles, each to her/his own ability. <p></p><i></i>