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Looking for David Johnson

Postby Dreams End » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:12 pm

I was interested in Jeff's post today. A woman called Noreen Gosch claiming that one of the boys in the now infamous photo was her son, abducted from Washington State in '85. As Jeff correctly noted, there was nothing online about this boy...not even in the database of the Missing and Exploited Children Foundation. <br><br>So I decided a more fruitful search might be on his mom, the one claiming his abduction. Her name is Patricia Johnson Holm. And she can, indeed, be found on the internet.<br><br>She runs something called the "Tell America Forum". It looks like a "patriot" site...and as for the patriot movement itself, I have mixed feelings. Blend of rightwing reationary stuff mixed in with good people who see something terribly wrong but interpret from a very different frame of reference of my own. <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub18.bravenet.com/forum/1501039859">"tell america forum"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Evidently she also has or had a television show called "Call 4 Investigation".<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tellamerica.bravepages.com/call4investigation.html">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>So far all this could be explainable as a woman who ran up against a system that did not protect her son and started digging and came to the idea that the country and the elites who run it are corrupt. <br><br>Ummm...I'm afraid it goes downhill from here...but to WHERE, I don't know. Here's her post on the Greta Sustren show about the Gosch photos:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Just a few comments about this picture. You will need to first tell us clearly what to name of the so called expert that shakingly said the picture, did not include Johnny Gosch. And get him to answer IF he indeed has the inside info to know this - the middle, blond, blue eyed boy's name? The name of the boy David L. Johnson kidnapped April 1, 1985 from 20426 Damson Rd, Lynnwood,WA the Seattle area right? And accomplice to this happening was Terryle L. Holm, right?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub18.bravenet.com/forum/1501039859/show/906092">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So clearly, her husband or someone else in the Holm family was involved somehow. Here is one post about the abduction. She knows her way around parapolitics, but this post, like all the others is so disjointed that I question whether her info, even about her own son, is completely accurate. Still, the connections she does make are interesting...well, some of them...some are...ah...you read it yourself:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Bush - as in Vanavar and many others by the name of Bush comes up multiple times throughout the life of the one to do the work of the Messiah. And the taking of David Johnson has to do with the Bush connection to the Boeing Black Ops project Green River killing. Look at the way it threatened any prostitute that was not under the 'protection' in other words available for 'FUND RAISING' efforts. And just happened to have the surnames of the ones being coerced into doing most likely what they would not do otherwise. Particularly if certain ones that were being called upon to do the dirty work for a Bush bunch didn't sink to using one of the 'sexslaves' so no pictures were available to use for bribery. Take a look at the actual ages of the girls. Many were TEENAGERS - not prostitutes. It is more likely that the young vicitms refused to go along with the trash that was being demanded of them and ended up dead for doing so.<br>This has to do with the taking of David my oldest son April 1, 1985. Look on johnnygosch.com website and look for the picture of three boy the middle blond is David. And that the Franklin (so called Savings and Loan etc. etc. etc.) is right in the middle of this tells the insiders what is what. Just think of what was found in the basement of Ben Franklin's house in London? Bones of most likely ritual victims used for satanic purposes? Just in that he had a house in London should tell you something of his 'loyalty' to whom or what? In 1999 a so called attorney sold me out and pocketed the money paid him for NO VALUE. His name just happened to be Templeton. And now it is called Franklin and Templeton?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub18.bravenet.com/forum/1501039859/show/904600">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Should you think I'm being harsh here, check out a couple of paragraphs down:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Ramey - is a name that plays a pivotal roll particularly having to do with Real Estate dealings. And General Ramey was in the middle of the telling Roswell was just a Weather Balloon. But what he did not tell you was that weather balloon is code for 151 (A=1,B=2...Z=26)151=Jesus Christ in otherwords Messiah. And it appears that it was well known that the Aurora crash signaled the coming of the Age. Was called a 'Weather Balloon' yes this is not just a coincidence. The Aurora happens to add up to 74 (Jesus) meaning the message was Jesus or the Messiah was coming. The House of Stuart in otherwords the House of David was known to be the 99. Look up Job 9:9 then do the code for Stuart and you will see it is 99. It is no mistake that Highway 99 is called Aurora Highway. And the the Green River Serial killing happen to be centered around Highway 99 or Aurora Ave..<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I think it's clear that she's had some sort of mental break. Long chains of association...etc. <br><br>That doesn't mean that boy isn't her son. If I were in her shoes and my son had been kidnapped, I know myself well enough to know that I would be completely consumed in the search for him and might not be able to stay mentally healthy. But if you combine these postings with the fact that there is no listing for a David Johnson as having been abducted, I think it suggests Noreen should be careful. I think it is possible that her husband Terryle Holm, whom she lists as an accomplice (but still keeps his last name?) may have taken the boy, legally or no, but it was not considered an abduction case.<br><br>Or, as I keep searching...this time on "terryle holm"...maybe not. Here's a post archived (it's a google cache) on alt.religion.scientology<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>PL Johnson-Holm<br><br>Subj: IF MEDIA were doing their job this could not happen<br>Date: 5/8/01 9:06:26 PM EST<br>From: RUPROSE<br><br>Serial Killer info.<br><br>Right after Terryle married me, we stopped by his mother's house and she got a<br>phone call as we stood there. It was from one of the cult group (at that time I<br>didn't know anything about, Terryle had "departed from"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> asking how he was<br>doing apparently, because she answered "He is fine." When the cult person was<br>told he was just married the question in returned must have been "Is she still<br>around?" because that is what Chris (Terryle's Mother) repeated.<br><br>BTW this same cult, one usually NEVER "departs from." Only recently has there<br>been progress, so others are now able to depart. However, to this day this same<br>cult considers you SP and fairgamed (which is about the equivalent of being<br>EXTREMELY Blacklisted/Blackballed,etc. particularly when Terryle "left" but all<br>they did was back off and leave him alone).<br><br>Other peculiar happenings:<br><br>Terryle would just change the subject if asked about strange smells in the<br>trunk of car.<br><br>We had a Fiat, then two different Volvos, Ford and Ford LTD. Terryle was<br>against stationwagons and expressed this vehemently.<br><br>Terryle insisted on having a car with a trunk, and that I stay out of it.<br><br>Terryle was gone for long periods of time repeatedly.<br><br>Terryle would have lengthy discussions with his father no one else was to<br>listen to.<br><br>Terryle would for no apparent reason flare up at odd times. Remembering back<br>many times when it was a special news bulletin etc..<br><br>Terryle ran out of gas one day and demanded I go get the gas and take the baby<br>too, that he HAD to stay with the car.<br><br>Terryle was gone long periods of time, when we would go to my brother's place<br>in Tigard Oregon.<br><br>Terryle was even gone a long time when we just stopped to get gas at<br>BattleGround, WA, coming back from CA.<br><br>Terryle showed up with what I thought was my ID, so I grabbed it out of his<br>hand. Only to find out that it was the ID of a woman 20ish medium complexion,<br>dark eyes and dark hair, with 4 names and the last name started with Mal---. He<br>yanked it back from me with a weird look. The baby was in my arms at the time<br>started to cry. Terryle waved one of the cards at the baby and the little one<br>grasped it. Not knowing how many germs were on that card I started to take it<br>away. He was adamant "If my son wants it he can have it." Right after that we<br>were supposed to see his parents off at the Airport. The card made its rounds<br>to each child but ended up in the baby's hands when reaching the airport.<br>Terryle started to take it, his mother walked up then he was busy doing<br>something else. We said our good-byes at Gate B-4 headed back down the aisle<br>way and realized the card was gone. Terryle was beyond just agitated I said "I<br>don't know where it is, it could be a lot of places." He tore off to gate B-4<br>just as they were closing the gate. We had to get going the baby was crying,<br>hungry, wet and the parking toll was running up.<br><br>Another time when visiting his parents house, I happened to enter thru the<br>garage. Hanging up were wet hip boots that had a peculiar smell. On the floor<br>again were pinkish pieces of glass in front of the work bench. So when going<br>upstairs I said to Chris "would you make sure the children don't go<br>downstairs," "the hip boots---" she interrupted me and said "I don't know why<br>he keeps those around." Very briskly she just wanted to change the subject.<br><br>One of the smells in the trunk was the same as the smell of the Hip boots.<br><br>Later, when smelling a part of the Green River the smell was the same.<br><br>Terryle would only allow $200 a month for all food clothing and misc. items. So<br>cutting costs were mandatory. At different times he tore out the door when we<br>had a meat substitute for dinner.<br><br>When we had fish for dinner he would be out the door quickly too.<br><br>Boy did he get upset when my Brother Fred needed me to dog-sit Fred's wife's<br>large dog.<br><br>After my buying a double deck recording unit from Magnolia HiFi, he about hit<br>the roof. Right after that he made the comment "I showed them" (he was<br>referring to the Magnolia HiFi).<br><br>Throughout the years Terryle has done MANY violent things one would never even<br>consider if one is a fully sane, mature, grown adult.<br><br>Terryle had something rolled up in his teeth which looked like a personal item<br>of mine, and came at me in the middle of the night with sharp scissors.<br><br>You might want to check closer in Eastern Washington for bodies, because he has<br>been going to the Gorge alone to "see concerts."<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:rIcESW0yHM8J:groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/58af2f3149c461df/2eced690c9e88841%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dwhite%2Bmagnolia%2Bpicks%2Blarge%2Bones%26rnum%3D10%26hl%3Den+terryle+holm&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>All I found in a quick search. I don't remember details of the Green River Killer, but obviously she believes that her husband was involved and that it was a result of some cult involvement. But if then you add in the "weather balloon" triggers the age stuff, or whatever, it's hard to take all of it as being evidentiary of much of anything. <br><br>Others...especially any who are closer to Noreen...should research this further. Too many questionable folks attach themselves to this stuff. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looking for David Johnson

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:23 pm

Very grateful for that, DE. Good work. Almost everything that attaches itself to this case turns out to be something other than what it appears.<br><br>So I wonder, what is this - a parapolitical Munchausen by proxy? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looking for David Johnson

Postby OnoI812 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:37 am

As per post #599 on the Gosch updates thread...<br><br>Johnson-Holms was interviewed on the Jeff Rense program tonight, along with Noreen Gosch. It is set for final restream to start in about half an hour, links are posted in the Gosch thread. <br><br>Just when you think the Gosch story can't get any stranger...<br><br>Johnson-Holms claims that David Johnson(the blond boy, in the three gagged boys pic) was kidnapped because of his genetic lineage. She claims he has direct lineage to the house of Stuart. She claims she was verbally deaththreated immediately prior to this Rense interview, as does Noreen claim to have recieved recent deaththreats. There is also some interesting speculations between the two as to why they may have ended up in the same photo. Noreen claims to have identified the third boy as well, but she will not be releasing that information as of yet...<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 10/26/06 12:44 am<br></i>
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Re: Looking for David Johnson

Postby Dreams End » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:47 am

Oh boy...couldn't listen to the show, but Noreen is going to lose all credibility here. This doesn't even mean that Johnson-Holm's son wasn't kidnapped necessarily...but if she starts pulling that gematria stuff, it's going to make Noreen look awfully silly. I wish somebody close to Noreen would help her negotiate these mine fields. <br><br>If anyone associated with her reads this board...she needs to get a copy of the police report on David Johnson and post it on her website. She can stay neutral about the details of Patricia's "research", but if there's not even any evidence this kid was abducted, it will be even easier for another detective to come on and debunk this.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looking for David Johnson

Postby OnoI812 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:02 pm

DE- she sounded fairly sane, she didn't swerve off into all that numbers/Jesus stuff. However, there was one part, where she started talking about how David's Stuart history had been wiped by the Windsors. And how her mother had passed her the Stuart ring, and she mentioned something about hidden family paintings, making particular reference to a July 4th 1776, painting of the declaration signing, where she made mention that John Adams foot is placed on top of Jefferson's foot as some type of signal/ritual. The painter's last name was Stewart, and she said that this was changed from Stuart to cloak his identity??? But the way she explained it <br>she didn't come off too whacky. She claims she's finally coming forward on this because she is insensed by the false claims of the Florida detective and Fox News which she deemed conspiritorial.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Stuart">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Stuart</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> She also was under the impression that Terryle may have set up the circumstances the day David went missing. She claims Terryle has never offered explaination as to what happened to David or why he was even allowed to leave the house (if he did leave the house on his own, she seemed to imply that she never received a straight answer about this) that day, as he was grounded.<br><br><br>I do agree that Noreen needs to be careful here...<br><br><br>(On edit) I forgot to add, Noreen mentioned something about a brand new photo received only recently, which she has not yet made public.<br><br>(on edit 2)<br>this mini bio places Stuart's grandson in the Pacific northwest:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>J.E. Stuart was born in Bangor, Maine, in 1852 and moved to San Francisco in 1860 where he attended the San Francisco School of Design. He traveled frequently to the Pacific Northwest and established a studio in Portland in 1881. While in Portland he published his paintings in The West Shore and the Pacific Monthly. Throughout the 1890s and 1900s he spent time in various cities including New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, where he died in 1941. J.E. Stuart was a popular and sought-after artist and became wealthy from the sales of his art. He is known for his paintings of Native Americans and Pacific Northwest landscapes including views of Mt. Hood, Mt. Adams, Mt. Rainier, and Mt. Shasta.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 10/26/06 10:44 am<br></i>
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Looking for David Johnson

Postby 21955eom » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:17 pm

I emailed Patricia Johnson-Holm and here was her reply<br><br>"From: Patricia Johnson-Holm [mailto:ruprose2002a@yahoo.com] <br>Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:47 AM<br>To: <br>Subject: Re: Noreen Gosch<br><br><br>You are right about not being able to find data about David, the information regarding David has to do with what the Bush Regime holds as above top secret. Most persons trying to get into these files are told it is a 'need to know' basis ONLY. And most working within the Governmental structure think that authorities would not use their Fiduciary powers in a misleading manner. However, whether people want to realize it or not Authorities are being miss used at this point. This misuse is promoted by the secrecy and 'need to know.' Because if the very same people thinking they are doing their job for the sake of the well being of this Country knew how what they are doing fits into the big picture. They would by no means keep doing what they have been ordered to do. <br> <br>As for was he found? NO, and to this day we must find out what happened to him and stop the ones that did it from disappearing anyone else. <br> <br>BTW, though Noreen is reserved on this issue, my opinion is that David's kidnapping was due to his being the eldest child of the direct heir to the House of Stuart. And this is the focal point why it is considered above top secret to have any data available about David. The tremendous ridicule that has surfaced pertaining to trying to get this investigated tells me, we are on the right track."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looking for David Johnson

Postby Dreams End » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:48 pm

Well, all Patricia has to do is email the info to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children and it will be on the website..as Johnny Gosch is. <br><br>Frankly, I don't find that email re-assuring. Did she go through any normal channels to report the disappearance? Does she have pics of him that she could post...the Center will age progress them to give a rough idea of what he might look like today.<br><br>What were the circumstances of the abduction? <br><br>Comparing her account to Noreen's (and if anyone's son has been roped into some kind of parapolitical nightmare, we certainly see that Johnny Gosch has been...if nothing else, leading to a variety of people perpetuating dark hoaxes on Noreen, such as staging the visit with the grown up Johnny. And that would be the best case scenario). yet Noreen posts pics..has police reports..newspaper reports, etc. <br><br>And the Stuart stuff. Well, that's just not gonna be seen as very credible. Especially without any proof. Honestly, I think Patricia sounds schizophrenic to me. That doesn't mean her son wasn't abducted, but just that her logic about sorting out what's going on seems impaired, or at the very least she's incapable of noticing how associative and nonrational her explanations would appear to others.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looking for David Johnson

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:34 pm

This is very bizarre.<br><br>Have I missed something? So there are no records of his dissapearance, are there even records of his existence?<br><br>She has made her claims public, why has there been no reponse form authorities at this point?<br><br>As far as I can tell she has neglected to share important details, like how this was carried out without leaving a record. What were neighbors/friends told, what was the school told, was she threatened not to go to authorities and to invent a cover story?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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pictures please

Postby stackdag » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:47 pm

All this lady needs to do is scan in a photo of her son,<br>and publish it somewhere on the web, <br>then all the negative and positive speculation will be put to rest.<br><br>End of story.<br><br>I for one am sorry to see the Gosch case turning towards this "UFO" direction, that's the absolute LAST thing Noreen needs to be associated with. Especially when the case is finally back in the mainstream media to some degree, and gaining a little momentum.<br><br>I also saw in another thread that this lady was connected with Al Bielik, the supposed montauk project "time traveller".<br><br>Why don't we just stick to the normal proveable facts? Why mix in all the UFO shit?? It's sickening to see. It discredits the whole thing. It's hard enough to get people on board with just plain simple government corruption, and then you start throwing in aliens??? It's fucking horrible!<br><br>Why don't we just cast runes or remote view this case to solve it??? Why? Because that drivel is fucking absolute, abject worthless nonsense, and we all know it.<br><br>To me it's much more important to stop children from being exploited than it is to expose "Roswell". So WHY even attempt to fucking go there?<br><br>Will exposing the "so-called" alien invasion abductors or ghosts stop the abduction and abuse of children????????????<br><br>I say delete this alien shit and anything and anyone associated with it from the government corruption information. Once we take care of the evil in power, only then will it be possible to investigate all this alien and haunted house bullshit, if it's even true.<br><br>The two most important issues are 9/11, and the Gosch/Franklin case. Move ahead on those and the rest will fall into place. Ghosts, remote viewing, Aliens, and new age spiritual bullshit have absoluteley nothing to with this stuff. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stackdag@rigorousintuition>stackdag</A> at: 10/28/06 8:56 pm<br></i>
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Re: pictures please

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:58 pm

I have spoken to Noreen and made her aware of this entire post. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/28/06 10:10 pm<br></i>
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Re: pictures please

Postby DireStrike » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:37 am

Spoken? What did she say about this other woman? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: pictures please

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:42 am

I will let her comment on it as she feels necessary, I just let her know what was being said on this post, as I normally do, as a means of helping her see the things that others who care for her have found out about her situation. She is always very accepting of things like this and I am sure she will take it all under advisement. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: pictures please

Postby DireStrike » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:18 pm

Oh, ok. Didn't mean to intrude. <p></p><i></i>
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