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Re: What's natural justice?

Postby sunny » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:27 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The American people are responsible for the actions of their government", that goes for the government they elect</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>Exactly- In the final judgement, in the eyes of God, those who voted for and supported the actions of BushCo will be held responsible for condoning their criminality, just as if they had committed the acts themselves-the judgment will be harsh, and quite a surprise to those who consider jr. and themselves to be Christians <p></p><i></i>
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????

Postby human » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:42 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Exactly- In the final judgement, in the eyes of God, those who voted for and supported the actions of BushCo will be held responsible for condoning their criminality, just as if they had committed the acts themselves-the judgment will be harsh, and quite a surprise to those who consider jr. and themselves to be Christians</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>lol.<br><br>and the Kerry voters? do they get to avoid eternal damnation?<br><br>what if God is a sado-masichist and all you do-gooders are messings up his fun?<br><br>i dont think thats true, but i also dont think its very rational to try to determine "God's" judgement & then cast it onto one another...<br><br>i mean, i believe in judgement, but im not going to pretend i know exactly how it works....<br><br>not to belittle your point, but this is God you are mentioning, not Santa Claus. if your theory is correct, all voters should suffer in the fires of hell for even participating in the first place.<br><br><br><br><br>Bush is a diversion.<br><br>the situation is way more complex than the the Bush administration....<br><br>one<br>human?<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Natural Justice

Postby antiaristo » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:22 pm

No, Wolfi.<br>Natural justice is when Americans are known as "seppis". And are asonished to learn that not everyone loves them.<br><br>human, the German people never elected a certain Fuhrer. He got 33 or 34 percent.<br><br>Your government is your responsibility. If some extraneous influences are distorting their actions it is for you to identify and put right. The rest of the world will help you, but it is your responsibility. You are not an exception.<br><br>Therefore, before you fan the flames of conflict be sure you have hard evidence. The CNN agenda is the "Bush" agenda. <p></p><i></i>
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my point.

Postby human » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:32 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>And are asonished to learn that not everyone loves them.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>huh? so what, do you "hate" americans?<br><br>thats exactly what the point of this whole "Bush & Co." psy-op..... if you hate Americans, you have fallen victim to the the propaganda....<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>human, the German people never elected a certain Fuhrer. He got 33 or 34 percent.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>hence we didnt execute all of germany at Nuremberg...<br><br>it was pretty much the same thing, a occult crime syndacite....<br><br>just nowadays they are better propagandists.. the science has improved.<br><br>what im saying is, any "us vs. them" mentallity IS THE PROBLEM.<br><br>there is no them, only us. everyone in the whole world is responsible for everything....<br><br>where exactly are you from antiaristo? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Natural Justice

Postby wolf pauli » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:32 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>No, Wolfi.<br>Natural justice is when Americans are known as "seppis". And are asonished to learn that not everyone loves them.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Some Americans know all too well there are people who think ill of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>all</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Americans, and know, too, what a sad display of bigotry and ignorance that is. But it's a matter of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>individuals</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, not entire nationalities; e.g., I know better than to hold your own ignorance against all Britons. <br><br>You're the one who brought up 'the principle of natural justice' and got it wrong. As Wanda Landowska said, you play Bach your way, and I'll play him his way. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Anti American?

Postby antiaristo » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:39 am

human,<br>Now you're being silly. Please do not put words in my mouth. You seem to be learning from the Israelies.<br>It is YOUR government. It is for YOU to control. One way to do that is to demand the same standards for others as you would demand for yourself. However, if YOU want to promote the "Bush" agenda, at least do not deny it.<br>Can you really not see that this is just a re-run of the aluminium tubes scam of September 2002?<br><br>I’m Irish.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Some Americans know all too well there are people who think ill of all Americans, and know, too, what a sad display of bigotry and ignorance that is. But it's a matter of individuals, not entire nationalities; e.g., I know better than to hold your own ignorance against all Britons.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Very high minded of you. Perhaps you should direct your intellect towards controlling your own government. You DO know about the PNAC, do you not? Those sad individuals who think ill of an entire country are probably very scared of your country and what it has said it is going to do to the rest of the world.<br><br>As for my Bach, I'll continue to demand hard evidence before taking the word of your country. I’m sure Bach would have it the same way. You and Wanda have it your way and join in the CNN/Scottie tap dance.<br><br>And where do Britons come into this?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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hmmm...

Postby human » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:07 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Now you're being silly. Please do not put words in my mouth. You seem to be learning from the Israelies.<br>It is YOUR government. It is for YOU to control. One way to do that is to demand the same standards for others as you would demand for yourself. However, if YOU want to promote the "Bush" agenda, at least do not deny it.<br>Can you really not see that this is just a re-run of the aluminium tubes scam of September 2002?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>did you read what i wrote?<br><br>support the Bush agenda???? come on....<br><br>its way worse than aluminum tubes my friend. way way worse.<br><br>the whole point of me posting this to begin with was to show how full of shit the Bushes are. Poppy Bush probably did business with this Iranian president... its pretty well known who orchestrated the release of the hostages... and who arranged Iran/Contra....<br><br>the sillyness is that you think anything ive said even remotely resembles support for Bush... <br><br>if i told you that i thought Bush is a baby eating demon spawn would that make my opinion more clear?<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I’m Irish.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>no wonder youve got so much fight!!<br><br>dude, i disagree with you way less than you think. what im saying, get past the us versus them mentality, its the only way we can really change things.<br><br>one<br>human? <p></p><i></i>
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hmmmm...

Postby antiaristo » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:06 am

Human,<br><br>If it turns out that we are having a “violent agreement” then I apologise for my misunderstanding.<br><br>But I felt you were falling into their trap of following their agenda, when they want it (you don’t market a new product in August).<br><br>Look at what they do. When a news story runs against their agenda, they ignore it and bury it. They do not argue against it (Blair dismisses document he himself signed!). And the story dies for lack of interest.<br><br>They want to pin a label on the President of Iran. Terrorist. I say prove it and then we talk about it.<br>Poppy Bush had a long standing relationship with Saddam, and look at Iraq today. They want to do the same to Iran.<br><br>We have proof that “Bush” is a terrorist. We don’t hear that on CNN.<br><br>I believe we have to fight them on every front, in their faces. Nuance don’t work. And that is based on many years fighting them.<br><br>Paz, J.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Anti American?

Postby wolf pauli » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:18 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I’m Irish.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>LOL. My girlfriend (from Dublin) says I should have known from your 'creative' spelling.<br><br>As to 'seppis', presumably you meant 'seppos' -- rhyming slang from the same gutter that brought us 'silvers'. If you wish to associate yourself with such enlightenment ('justice', you called it), that's your prerogative.<br><br>You want 'seppis', try here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.seppisnewyork.com/">www.seppisnewyork.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Those sad individuals who think ill of an entire country are probably very scared of your country and what it has said it is going to do to the rest of the world.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Unlike those sad individuals, you wouldn't be so ignorant as to think countries <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>say</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> things, would you? ...<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I'll continue to demand hard evidence before taking the word of your country.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>... or would you?<br><br>BTW, if you're looking for someone who unreflectively absorbs his 'news' from CNN, you've got the wrong guy. Think otherwise? Then cite some of that 'hard evidence' you're so fond of.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Follow-ups

Postby wolf pauli » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:47 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-usiran2jul02,1,4292441.story?ctrack=1&cset=true">www.latimes.com/news/nati...&cset=true</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>U.S.: Photo Not of Iran Chief<br><br>"U.S. investigators have concluded that Iranian president-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not the glowering Islamic militant seen escorting an American hostage in a 1979 photograph that was widely publicized this week, officials said Friday. ..."<br><br>-----<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8442940/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8442940/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Report: Iran leader linked to '89 Vienna killings<br><br>"Austrian authorities have classified documents suggesting that Iran’s president-elect may have played a key role in the 1989 execution-style slayings of an Iranian Kurdish leader and two associates in Vienna, a newspaper reported Saturday.<br><br>"Austria’s Interior Ministry and the public prosecutor’s office are investigating alleged evidence pointing to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s possible involvement in the attack, the daily Der Standard reported. ..."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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... and this

Postby wolf pauli » Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:40 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://onlinejournal.com/Commentary/070205Chin/070205chin.html">onlinejournal.com/Comment...5chin.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Latest Bush administration war propaganda: Iran's president-elect as hostage taker<br><br>"As part of the propaganda pretext towards a full-scale US military attack on Iran (covert operations and military preparations have have been ongoing for months) the Bush administration, the Associated Press, and a handful of former US hostages (all former CIA and US military officers) have accused Iranian President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of being one of the 1979 hostage-takers. ..."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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And this

Postby Peachtree Pam » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:31 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iran03s1.html">www.suntimes.com/output/n...n03s1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/070205Chin/070205chin.html">www.onlinejournal.com/Com...5chin.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is just one more effort to drum up an excuse to attack Iran.... <p></p><i></i>
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Sorry, I posted the same link

Postby Peachtree Pam » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:36 pm

Don't blame everyone in US for Bush, after all, both elections were stolen, not that Kerry would have followed another agenda...he would not have. If ever there was a fixed election, this was it. Kerry went through the motions - what was his payoff for conceding the election without a fight? <p></p><i></i>
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Diplomacy

Postby antiaristo » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:23 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>“Don't blame everyone in US for Bush, after all, both elections were stolen, not that Kerry would have followed another agenda...he would not have. If ever there was a fixed election, this was it. Kerry went through the motions - what was his payoff for conceding the election without a fight?”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Pam,<br><br>I’m Anglo-Irish and once loved the USA, the generous people.<br>I lived there for 3 ½ years. I went to grad school and worked.<br>I say this as a friend.<br><br>You don’t seem to realise how gravely serious this is for the USA. Your situation is worse than that of the German people circa 1937. You cannot say this is nothing to do with me. Only 33 or 34 percent of the Germans actually voted for Hitler, but the whole country is STILL paying the price.<br><br>On the specifics here. Again this is far more serious for the USA. Up to now the really disgusting behaviour has been of a kind to repel individuals. I’m referring to the systematic torture of innocents.<br>What you have done here is likely to repel governments.<br><br>The Republic of Iran held democratic elections which produced a clear-cut choice for President.<br><br>Four clowns with an axe to grind said “he looks like one of our captors” (twenty five years ago). Within twenty four hours it was all around the world. “Iranian President a terrorist “– White House.<br><br>Exactly what I wanted to avoid.<br><br>Are you all mad? Can you not put yourselves into the shoes of any other government in the world and see how this looks?<br><br>Don’t you think Putin and the Chinese President took this into account?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Diplomacy

Postby mercator » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:23 pm

"You don’t seem to realise how gravely serious this is for the USA."<br><br>He's right Pam, you don't realise! Just look at your comments, especially “Don't blame everyone in US for Bush." What <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>were</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> you thinking?!<br><br>"What you have done here is likely to repel governments."<br><br>That means <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>you</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Pam. Stop repelling governments! <br><br>"Are you all mad?"<br><br>All Americans are mad! Do you hear that, Noam Chomsky? Can you wrap your twisted little mind around it, Howard Zinn? Will you concede the indisputable, Angela Davis? And how about you, mad, wicked Pam? Lunatics, the whole wretched lot of you! <br><br>Take it from antiaristo, he has an MBA! <br> <p></p><i></i>
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