Iranian President wants Israel "wiped off the map"

[hmm]

somehow something seems to have been lost in translation?<br>not suprising if you think that iran and syria are next in line for regime change and bush _really_ needs distractions?<br>we will just trust our corporate media to report his words accurately...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.rian.ru/world/20051027/41912542.html">en.rian.ru/world/20051027/41912542.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"Speaking at a conference, World Without Zionism, in Tehran Wednesday, <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ahmadinejad said: ""There is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He also referred to the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution Ayatollah Khomeini who said that Israel's existence was illegal<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->, and long talked about a world without Israel and the United States. "<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/051026/2005102633.html">www.arabicnews.com/ansub/...02633.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"The report said: speaking at a conference dubbed "World without Zionism" here Wednesday which was attended by thousands of students, he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->"<br><br>which is alot milder than calling for "regime change"?<br><br>i think we should also remember that both Israel and the USA DO have nukes and members of their governments are actively calling for "regime change" in Iran as we speak... <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

How is the South Africa of today controlled by Britain? The South African government helped foil the MI6/CIA-supported attempted coup in Equitorial Guinea last year. Their relationship with the UK seems to be a lot less cordial these days than it was during the Apartheid regime. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>

[eric144]

I was referring to the economy mainly, Mandela was MI6's bastion against a left wing takeover. He was also alleged (by former MI6 agents) to have worked in Libya and Northern Ireland.<br><br>Mandela is of course gone now and things change.<br><br>By the way, any normal individual would have served decades in jail for that coup attempt. How many decades in jail was organiser Mark Thatcher sentenced to ?<br><br>Answer, he was fined and given a suspended four year sentence. <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

that being true and all, mr ahmadijan is probably not stupid (iranians are not known as such) and has all those aids and analysts as well, and he is aware of how his words will be taken. This still requires an explanation better than just his regular daily briefing to the press that was taken out of context and blown up for propaganda.<br>I am reminded of Saddam Hussain, in the last months before the invasion doing the same. I think they must have somehting in their drinking water (CIA is not beyond doing that, actually) , or what ?<br>Iran is regularly admitting Israelis for family visits even these days, so perhaps this is just rhetoric, and the question is why ? Maybe finally the Arabs and the Jews are working together to confuse the USA ?? (just kidding, that'll be the day)<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> )<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[eric144]

"Ahmadinejad said: ""There is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world."<br><br>That sounds pretty much exactly what the BBC reported to me in (slightly) symbolic language. Yes, the BBC are warmongering but they didn't have to try very hard.<br><br>It is also almost exactly the same language I reported Arabs using in a nother thread. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/27/05 9:23 am<br></i>

[eric144]

By the way, I predicted this would happen 10 or more years ago when I heard British foreign office minister Peter Hain saying that what happened in Israel directly affected all of us. The interviewer said 'it affects us here in Britain', he replied 'definitely'. <br><br>He was right.<br><br>Peter Hain was the leader of the global campaign against apartheid in South Africa before entering politics as an mp.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/27/05 9:34 am<br></i>

[michael meiring]

maybe they should build a dimona type installation, withdraw from the NPT, deny they have any nukes when they have, that would certainly level the playing field.<br><br>One way or another, someone other than israel is also going to get nukes in that part of the world, and when that happens, we can scarsely blame them for accuiring them. Look what happened to the CIA installed dictator, Saddam, he didant have nukes, forged documents produced out of thin air claiming all sorts of outlandish things such as millions killed etc?!!!! <br><br>Anyone opposed to whats happening in the middle east regarding democracy exporting by the container load, then i would have thought aquiring WMD's as fast as posssible would be the top of the agenda.<br><br>Who loses, well if its not the ordinary citizens again, same old story, different century.<br><br>As long as citizens are content to waffle on forums and sit back, then prepare for whats coming to us all.<br><br>We have all these religious nutters from all faiths, all convinced that 'my god is better than your god, and hes the only true god'' wacko speak, and my nooooookular arsenal is bigger than yours so get ready here it comes.<br><br>Why should the iranian PM be any different to Bush, sharon, blair etc? you will find that their masters are one and the same, a bit like the two world wars where the same stinking people were funding both opposing sides. Wonder why that little fact is omitted from all official history curriculums/Documentaries etc? LOL.<br><br>Until people can digest that, we all will have more of the same crap. <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

During the recent Iranian election, some of the 1979 hostages were claiming this guy was one of the people who captured them. I don't think anything ever came of it<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

An American ex Marine guy once told me :"dear, war is a business. if you don't understand that, get out of the way of the warmongers cause they'll finish you off".<br>What I mean to say is that someone like me, who does not like war, will always be looking for "reasons" why it happened and how it can theoretically be prevented. And I will tend to assume, wrongly, that every human being thinks the same. But apparently this is a cause of a lot of energy waste and agony. Many societies, cultures, still do not really see anything wrong with the concept of war, and even war as "decorum" war as "manhood", war as "courage" and more so "war as business". The only reason they coat the warmongering with religious stuff or ideologies is for people like us, to be fooled and busy working on the false rhetoric (of both sides). THEY LIKE IT. I think the next important step is to start working on the basic definitions of culture/war. Probably Israel, the US etc., are not the first societies to start this project, but other places are starting, as societies, to change the basic pro war (or war as force majuer concent) to criminalization of war as conflict resolution between political-artificial entities. Violence among individuals is probably natural and has to be regulated by the law, but organized violence on the basis of some false group identity, can be eradicated as a social institution. Slavery was almost reversed in terms of "cultural norms", war can be almost reversed as well. In the Middle East, saying this amounts to heresy under all three religions. (which proves, they all want to fight). <br> <p></p><i></i>

[hmm]

i understand that he is no fan of israel,he was speaking at the World without Zionism conference so that should be obvious.<br>but there is a important distinction between making a observation of fact and wanting to cause a fact.<br>I do not understand the BBC using symbolic language for something he did not say in such a fundemental way.<br><br>Its also not illegal to want a world without zionism if you use peaceful means to achieve that goal.<br>i agree that what happened in israel effects us all,and not positively,so i understand the iranian pm's frustration.<br>i seriously doubt he wishes to start a war with israel though.<br><br>but my main reason for posting his exact sentence was that i wanted to point out how our mainstream media is adding fuel to the fire again instead of reporting the news <p></p><i></i>

[hmm]

i dont think that was a really credible story.<br>the two people so sure he was a hostage taker were both spies<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/12/cia.iranpresident/">www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/12...president/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>William Daugherty, a former CIA officer living in Savannah, Georgia, told CNN he remains certain that Ahmadinejad was involved in the takeover.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Don Sharer, a former hostage who was a naval attache at the embassy, said he remains "99 percent" sure Ahmadinejad was involved.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>naval attache is one of those "official covers" often used by 3 letter agencies <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hmm@rigorousintuition>hmm</A> at: 10/27/05 7:11 pm<br></i>