Israel as an Extension of American Empire

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Israel as an Extension of American Empire

Postby eric144 » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:52 pm

This is a fascinating but very long and comprehensive article. No endorsement from me, just interesting.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/halper11072005.html">www.counterpunch.org/halper11072005.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ford foundation

Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:17 am

A bit confused here -<br>The article speaks of a "NGO watch" that monitored and obstructs progressige NGOs, by neo cons. One of the examples given is with regards to the Ford Foundation. On the other hand, I saw several references on this board to the ford foundation being an extension of CIA plottings. Can someone explain it to me ? what is the Ford Foundation in terms of "good/bad" guys ?<br>thank you <p></p><i></i>
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Postby smiths » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:14 am

what i love about the counterpunch articles relating to israel is that they are well written and factually based<br>and with conclusions that are not really open to charges of prejudice, which always seem to cloud israel related issues <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Homeless Halo » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:32 am

The Ford Foundation.<br><br>Here in Detroit, we are probably more exposed to the Ford Foundation than anyone else.<br><br>VERY large organization with dozens of "shell" companies it uses as fronts. <br><br>The organization, as it is today, isn't entirely "evil" as it contributes to literally hundreds of charity organizations, etc. <br><br>It was established by the Ford Family, and is still mostly under their direct/indirect control, although its various satraps enjoy limited autonomy.<br><br>Its links to the CIA involve funding, generally, with the Ford Foundation paying the bills of a large number of CIA fronts/disinfo/propoganda generators (Like the BBC, who have the Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Institute and the Rockefeller Foundation as contributors). The Fords are historically involved in the Military Industrial Complex in AngloAmerican on dozens of levels, the most obvious being their arms manufacturing. There is no "direct" link between FF and the CIA/NWO, but their "organizations" lean on each other a lot for funding and "political" support. <br><br>Adolf Hitler purportedly kept a Portrait of Henry Ford in his home office. <br><br>The Fords are heavily involved, via their foundations in American Medicine (Henry Ford hospital in Detroit is almost entirely funded by them, and has top rated doctors by world standards, I was there eariler today), which is not "evil" in and of itself. They supported American and German Eugenics, which gave the "scientific" basis for the holocaust, among other things. They continue to support the American Genome Project (which has yet to do anything "evil" except make insurance companies more bestial). <br><br>They also provide funding and make up a disproportinate amount of seats on the educational boards, especially in Michigan, where they have a large presence in the staff/shareholders/teachers/etc of the University of Michigan, which itself has engaged in research for the CIA, even involving illegal experimentation on Humans.<br>(I am currently enrolled) Most of the DIA research from UM comes from the nonlinear studies lab. The organization (FF) itself never DOES anything, but they aid/pay for a lot of other people to do many things, some beneficial, but many considered "unsavory" at best.<br><br>Don't know if that helps.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:29 am

hey thank HH<br>It gives me a wider picture. I'd say that actually what you are saying is =they are <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Americans</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Namely, funding everything, a lot of questionable stuff, but the good too. I mean it seriously, because as a colonized person belonging to a country which is totally US colonized, FF is equivalent to the effects of the US on "the world". In Israel, perhaps FF is the only (non JEwish) large US funder of human rights organizations. THis activity has been under fire by right wing, and indeed FF withdrew several grants from GOOD organizations. Which is a pitty. HOwever, since you are saying thay are entangled with government so deeply, perhaps it is not all that bad that organizations HERE, refrain from fundraising with them, as they probably turn all the info to the "other side"..as well. <br>-------<br>The change in US policies AND the growing understanding in Israel of the "double role" the US plays here, caused a shift in fundraising policies, and some turn to Europe now for more sensitive human rights work. (like they are any better, it will just take some time to figure their agenda...). <br><br>What kind of CIA experiment are you on ? pagan rituals and social effects thereof ? remote viewing ? :-)<br><br>Well, you inquisitive Americans...puh, we figured you out...<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Homeless Halo » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:06 am

I don't do experiments. I work for Cointelpro. My job is to infiltrate sites like this and report back to my handlers.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Just saying that the Ford Foundation has so much money that they do everything, good and bad, and have been around long enough to have fingers in many pies. Probably the vast majority of what they do is positive with good people doing it. This of course, makes it much more difficult to raise awareness of their other activities.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: IR

Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:22 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>where they have a large presence in the staff/shareholders/teachers/etc of the University of Michigan, which itself has engaged in research for the CIA, even involving illegal experimentation on Humans.<br>(<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I am currently enrolled</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->) <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Homeless Halo » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:28 am

At the university. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: IR

Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:36 am

oh<br><br>what kind of illegal human experimentation is mich u engaged in ? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: today's vote in the UN, re Cuba

Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:38 am

180 member states voted today against US boycot on Cuba, except the usa, israel and marshall islands...:-)<br>Israeli officials commented this is a necessary "price" for the support Israel received from the USA in the UN...<br><br>just adding to the topic of this thread.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Homeless Halo » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:57 am

"None" technically. See, these things don't actually happen anymore, or so they say. A number of university professors and researchers were involved, mostly in drug experiments for MKULTRA. Some of them are still attached to the school.<br><br>There is no record of current collaboration with intelligence agencies, but no one ever really retires from a "Company" job. My guess is they continue with their experimentations, etc, to this very day, likely under other guises.<br><br>There is a book, "CIA and Human Experimentation" by an author whose name I cannot recall at this late hour, I'll see if I can find it....<br>It relates experiments in Canada,etc, and lists a number of researchers, several at UM. Oddly enough, I got the book from a branch of the CAMPUS LIBRARY. Strange to carry a book implicating themselves in crimes against humanity, eh?<br><br>It's too late for moi(nearly 5 am), but I'll try to give you more coherent information when I am awake again.<br><br>Ahhh, the good ole trade emargo against Cuba. Doesn't personally affect me, as I don't buy anything Cuban, but I think its silly that the US and its cronies cannot get over their failed invasion of Cuba. <br><br>You can buy some Cuban items (most commonly cigars) in Canada and bring them home with you, under certain easily met conditions.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ir

Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:13 am

thanks. so its a general impression of the University being complicit. most of them are, to some degree.<br><br>UM (is that University of Montreal ? I don;t know this initial). Canada is full of it. namely Human experimentation. Is that you way of saying, hey not only the USA sucks big time. we know that. Canada plays it more elegantly with PR, but does same, government supports it. Calgary U, and there's a huge nest in McMaster U. and also in Regina. Never go there alone.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Homeless Halo » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:25 am

UM = University of Michigan, although I'm certain it is likely widespread across a large number of American Universities. <br><br>(UM may well also refer to a "university of montreal" but that was not my intended reference)<br><br><br>AS far as Canada goes, I see Canada itself the way you describe Israel and/or England, an extension of Anglo-American imperialism/colonialism. In this regard it is difficult to say who is "in charge" per se, as there is likely no "boss" as such. Likely it is more a sense of collaboration and financial aid among many purveyors of control technologies and/or political subversion agendas. I couldn't say whether America runs the Canadian and British governments or whether the Canadian and American governments were established for the purpose of supporting British colonialisms or...It is all a big mess or pseudo-histories and fake political oppositions to the point wherein we could easily view them as being all the same thing, with no clear distinctions as to who is telling whom to do what, as they all appear to share the penchant for abuse and an addiction to power/violence.<br><br>I know that several CIA documents publicized in the MK program "ousting" appear to indicate a LARGE number of collaborators and operations against Canadians with the collusion and/or cooperation of the Canadian Government and its own "Academic Agents" for hire.<br><br>The University of Michigan has a history of known participation with "black" government, and there is no evidence to suggest that this participation ever ended. Due to the number of suspected and/or known/reported professors involved in these activities and their current/recent involvement in modern university "politics" (some of them still teach), we can only assume that they are still "Friendly" with the spooks, at the very least, and are likely still "employed" so to speak.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: IR

Postby israelirealities » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:52 am

I agree that seeking a clear source of controll is futile, but the subtle power games and who is pulling strings where, is all there is to do, and is the attempt to decipher the power mechanisms that we resent. I do see the USA as the source, generally, just because following dollars is always true, money talks, and right now, no doubt its mostly in the USA, by far more than UK and Canada together. <br><br>I see what you mean about your university, but there are ways to get more specific information, if one wishes. Universities receive grants, sometimes you can just see the grants from "suspect" sources, such as US military funding medical research, DARPA grants, etc etc. and certainly NASA grants. THis is with regards to science/health, for instance, certainly atomic energy committee grants are something to look for, etc,. Other spooki issues...sometimes there are professors who are retired from security agencies, and it is safe to assume their retired status is questionable. Now the CIA launched a program for academic recruiting, which will make it worse. <br><br>I still think the USA has by far the deepest entanglements, except maybe now ISrael (being a backyard shithole). In canada at least some of the population resists and raises awareness, whereas in the USA...well, not much is happening, maybe the Hawaii University resistance will create momentum.<br>Also, you can't really compare the ruthlessness of the AMerican social regime, compared to UK and Canada. You have NO social protection at all, which means some people are naturally defenseless and make up "slaves". ONce a person has no housing, shelter and NO social assistance, let alone medical insurance, he is food for sharks of this sort. By definition. The USA is the source of this social regime and tries to enforce it on the whole world, so they don't feel so bad. This has certainly been the case here. So it is a combination of ruthless capitalism (exported as well) and the usual violations of human rights that ANY country will have, if the law and society let it pass as tolerable.<br><br>This is the only difference. Control and enslavement in Canada/UK is achieved through bureaucracies, and then one has slightly better chances of resisting. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: IR

Postby eric144 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:45 am

"Also, you can't really compare the ruthlessness of the AMerican social regime, compared to UK and Canada"<br><br>You can't despite 25 years of American control through Murdoch and his puppets Thatcher and Mandelsson (Blair) of the UK. <p></p><i></i>
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