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[Homeless Halo]

no offense was meant/taken, to clarify. I am sorry if I did not aid you in your specific intent, as I rarely follow the ethnicity/religion of a specific person only if it somehow infringes upon my own particular fields of interest(I am here to discuss/learn how occultism is interconnected with these things called "conspiracies", many of which I take as given).<br><br>I know there are lots of connections between american "fraternal"/quasi-esoteric lodges and various sects/memes of Jewish and pre-Jewish mysticism, so there must be connections between actual individuals tracing far back. In current times, it is likely that anyone engaged in this sort of specific "lodge" type activity (not all lodge members), especially with the more obviously esoteric and/or fasicst/authoritarian organizations, as their "symbolic structure" and methods of "mind control" are developed from perversions of pre-Jewish techniques which are swapped on occassion. <br><br>Therefore anyone in these groups would likely find a place on your list.<br><br>Skull & Bones<br>Council Foreign Relations<br>Bushes<br>Rockefellers<br>DuPonts<br>Swiss "Illuminized Freemasonry"<br>Italian Masonry/elements of Catholicism<br>Henry Kissinger<br>Grand Lodge of the United States (D.C.)<br>etc.<br><br>Of course many of them are fascists/nazi's/antisemites too, but that hasn't stopped their predecessors, and it probably hasn't stopped them.<br><br>All of them, and most of their cronies are largely responsible for both "medieval" and "modern" Israeli corruption/coercion/control/connections. This is where the money starts to turn in circles, so to speak.<br><br>I'm sure others here can provide you with a more 'rigorous' list.<br> <p></p><i></i>

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eric144 said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You can't be elected to any national office in the USA without vast amounts of money.<br><br>"The aristocrats might protect the Jews from the peasants"<br><br>Are you saying that absolutely everybody is anti-semitic and has an overwhelming desire to murder any jew within reach at a moment's notice ?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>If money buys everything, why hasn't there ever been a Jewish president?<br><br>And I wasn't saying that "everybody is anti-semitic and has an overwhelming desire to murder any jew within reach at a moment's notice." I was saying that Israel as a whole finds itself in that exact situation, with the US as the aristocratic protector that alone has the power to keep it sheltered from the hostility of its neighbors -- as long as it plays its allotted role.<br><br>One thing I didn't say before but might add now is that it seemed in the 50's and 60's as though Jews had successfully managed to become just like anybody. American Jews were just one more item in the melting pot. Israel was just one more nation among nations. But over the last few decades, all that has started being reversed. At least in Bushworld, the Neocons are playing the role of court Jews in a re-Christianized America, while the situation of Israel becomes more and more anomalous and untenable.<br><br>It's that fall back into the old medieval patterns which had seemed to be left behind that really bothers me. And Jews are possibly the canary in the coal mine. I'm left wondering how much other obsolete nastiness is waiting to be brought back on stage.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[eric144]

"If money buys everything, why hasn't there ever been a Jewish president?"<br><br>It's a sine qua non, but Americans wouldn't vote for a Jewish president. Liberman was a toe in the water as was Michael Howard in the UK, both were meant to lose.<br><br>I have never voted but I certainly wouldn't vote for a Jewish prime minister any more than I would vote for a French one (in the current global political situation).<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

What irritates me about this "blame the neocons" fever is a question about how all those nasty conspiratorial neocons got those jobs in the first place. The neocons haven't been shy about sharing their ideas for the last 15 years, so their philosophy has been no secret. The past couple of presidents had no time for their idiocy. Then along comes President Pinbrain, who packs his administration with them. At least two of these guys have been fired in the past for illegally passing on sensitive, classified information, for which they were never charged. Suddenly, these crooks and crazies get important positions in this administration. If a cook goes to make soup, and puts some diced potatoes in water, he gets....potato soup. Not chicken and noodle soup, and not split pea soup--he gets potato soup. But does this president-cook get any heat for the neocons crazy ideas? Not that I can see. As far as I'm concerned, the fundie Christians have been at the root of just as much of the trouble as the neocons, but no one ever points any finger at them. IT'S A FUNDIE CONSPIRACY, I TELL YOU!!!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 11/12/05 10:26 am<br></i>

[eric144]

The Israeli government bought Falwell a private jet. That's where the real conspiracy lies .<br><br>American Christians vote criminal (GOP) against their own interests so there is funding from those sources too no doubt.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

CLinton is about to appear in an hour to speak in Rabin's commemoration tonight. I was tempted to attend, its not far from home, but I am afraid of a bomb :-) I like Clinton.<br>In terms of the Fundamentalist...I think their days are fewer now. the power of the neo cons, fundamentalists and zionists came from their ALLIANCE. It is breaking apart now. At least the ISraelis are now aware, and don't like it. Bibi will go (hope I am right about it), and the entire farce will go with him. The tactic - divide and rule, among this disgusting alliance. It is happening now. a little bit.<br>-<br>Eric, Israel is buying jets to everyone. I bet they also serve as explosive contractors for more than one tyrant, including those who hate each other, and they sell drugs and weapons to anyone who pays, including ISrael's worst enemies. So falwell cannot be discriminated against, I mean Idi Amin received more. We hope for some discriminating minds in the arms sale business, but this is really unrealistic. this state, israel, consider it a gun for hire. We, the citizens of israel are hostages of the mobsters that conduct this very profitable business. Does ISrael call shots ? no, I don't think so, but you certainly don't want your enemy to hire its services again you.<br>At the moment, the mafia leaders have also turned against their own employees/subjects, becoming somewhat careless and ruthless, to the point of self destruction the extent of which is yet unknown. <br>Do not entertain the illusion that this thugsters Inc. is anything event remotely close to the power of Bush. It is a vicious little scorpion, that's all. The boogie around it, is partly antisemitic but mostly a business method. THugs always like to appear as very strong, and their clients bolster that image. But you can go on believing the old masonic-bloodline tales. I am starting to get used to the genre. In fact, I am quite sure those half heathen-half Chrtisian Roman lineages, have some Jewish ties as well, this together forms a rather disgusting bunch of control freaks with demonstrated sorcery powers. I don't underestimate spiritual powers at all. But I think you are mixing the two disciplines in the wrong way that's all. As I was taught to say here "no offense taken none meant". <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Falwell also received a lot of money from <br>Sun Myung Moon. He is buyable. Moon has also been known to be part of this alliance. The end justifies the means and all that. <p></p><i></i>

[eric144]

Ywes, Moon is even scarier than Sharon but with less F16's. <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

This Moon guy...he started a little organization here as well, supposedly for peace or something. Just a little coincidence. His main speaker, is a TV journalist, old guy specializing in "Arabs and security" news. Ehud Yaari. a few years ago, the wife of this senior journalist was found guilty of murder in first degree, allegedly, she and her business partner, decided to knock out an old rich lady, who was their client. they ran over her with a car. Recently, his son was arrested for stalking a colleague fo this journalist, the news anchor in his TV station. Apparently he fell in love with her (she is married happily etc.) and called her numerous times a day, meddled with her life, eventualy he was sent to psychiatric hospitalization by a judge pending his trial if he is found normal enough. Very bizarre story, because his wife didn't really need the money...he was also involved in a bizarre private production of a research film about the Khazarians and their relation the "military tradition" of present day ISrael. Is he hypnotized by Moon ? just a paranoia i had, after reading the theories about Moon's engtangelemtns with jounalists. <p></p><i></i>