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Postby havanagilla » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:49 pm

Today, I had a sudden urge, on my way home to take a side road and visit the military unit I was serving in, during my military service. that was more than 25 years ago, but occasionally I see the old building still standing there, in an alley in the center of tel aviv. for some reason, I just went there today. the place is closed, and a sign says "military zone do not photograph and do not tresspass", but I went around and there was a huge gate for tractors, which I just pushed aside and entered . The buildilng is in ruins, but fresh, I suppose its a matter of a year or so, that it is not in use. everything is torn out, doors, floors, ceilings, but the place was in tact and so I was able to just roam around freely and recognize the same rooms, reception, and the office I worked in. I went up the stairs and then down, and felt bad. I have a lot of blackouts during that time, and what I recall vividly is two times I just passed out in the street, and one time I slept in the back room of the commander (don't know why). ANd that I was constantly afraid and one time defected for a week. <br>I walked around, and then I saw a staircase leading down, to a cellar. I don't remember there was another staircase, and I am quite positive the entrance was hidden behind a closet back then. Certanily I never knew of a downstairs level. I climbed down, and my belly felt bad, and i had palpitations it was dark too. And then I saw there is a whole "underground level, with arched passages, quite large, I wasn't able to see it all, cause I was scared to go in those "catacombs" or something. The building itself is made of asbestos or some light material, kind of modular building,s but apparently, it was erected OVER a stone bduiling with hidden tunnels under the ground level. I was 18. The unit was part of airforce intelligence, basically it was a large photo lab, for those aerial photographs of missiles or what not. I am very proud that I went there today. but I wish there was ANY PERSON I could take along, to go with me down there, and also be able to just hold my hand silently.<br><br>Then I went near the gate of the MLItary headquarters in Tel aviv, where all the "big shots' are, and I spat on the gate. I looked up and on the wall there was this graffittee I've been seeing recently "KNOW HOPE", and it popped up again in my bus station on the way home.<br>KNOW HOPE ? (not a spelling mistake). <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 3/5/06 10:52 am<br></i>
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Re: time tunnel

Postby hmm » Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:24 pm

know is a english word incase you did not realise.<br>"know hope" does make sense as a statement to me.<br><br>english dictionary:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=know">www.webster.com/cgi-bin/d...ry?va=know</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>1 a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2) : to have understanding of <importance of knowing oneself> (3) : to recognize the nature of : DISCERN b (1) : to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2) : to be acquainted or familiar with (3) : to have experience of<br>2 a : to be aware of the truth or factuality of : be convinced or certain of b : to have a practical understanding of <knows how to write><br><br>thanks to google i found a blog that mentions the graffiti in tel aviv..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/01/nothing_specifi.html#comments">bogieworks.blogs.com/trep...l#comments</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Wednesday, January 11, 2006<br>Nothing Specific...<br>Here are a few things that were on my mind when I sat down at the computer this morning:<br><br>1. What did he/she mean by that?<br><br>English graffiti spotted yesterday in Tel Aviv:<br><br> "KNOW HOPE"<br><br>Since seeing this spray-painted message on the wall of a building not far from Azrieli Center, I have been wondering if the spelling of the first word was accidental or deliberate.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>and from the comments on that blog:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Posted by: nrg | Jan 12, 2006 11:17:15 AM<br><br>re: "What did he/she mean by that?"<br>Over here in Seattle there wouldn't be anyone who would miss that reference. It might be related to the bumper sticker: "No Jesus no hope, know Jesus know hope." Over there, however, one can't be sure what they had in mind. At least the grafitti seems relativly positive, whatever they meant by it. Hope for some event there?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>and some photo's?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://static.flickr.com/21/98879586_7f62c8a48c.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://static.flickr.com/41/86981827_a37c84929a.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>and from the comments for this last one:<br><br>http://flickr.com/photos/74128918@N00/86981827/<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>you see this everywhere in TA does anyone knows what this is?Christmas day 2005<br><br>~snip~<br><br>Klone Yourself ! Pro User says:<br><br>i'm about to discover who's doing em . . . someone of my friends know the one doin it . .<br>Posted 2 months ago. ( permalink )<br><br>Klone Yourself ! Pro User says:<br><br>well , today i've met the guy that is doing these . . .<br>Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink ) <br><br>Klone Yourself ! Pro User says:<br><br>some guy that does street art and lives in tel aviv . . .<br>Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink ) <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why in English ?

Postby havanagilla » Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:44 pm

yes, its just that "no hope" sounds more reasonable for a graffiti. thanks for the link to the other blog, i was looking for other people's comments on it. first of all - why in English ? why not Hebrew ?<br>And I didn't see any other Israeli Hebrew reference to this phenomenon.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why in English. Why only 12 posts?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:37 pm

Why does your username have only 12 posts counted?<br><br>I thought your registered username had posted many more times in the past.<br><br>Something is wrong with this.<br><br>ON EDIT:<br><br>Aha. Different username by one letter. Different user. Hmmm.<br>We are used to hearing from 'havanagila,' not 'havanagilla.'<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3144.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...3144.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>ON EDIT again (doing lots of this lately)<br><br>Ah. Welcome back, reregistered 'havanagila.'<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3323.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...3323.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 3/5/06 3:18 pm<br></i>
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Even in Israel

Postby Avalon » Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:16 pm

A google of "know Jesus know hope" gives over a thousand mentions. Why wouldn't a Christian phrase be more likely to be in English than in Hebrew? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Even in Israel

Postby havanagilla » Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:51 pm

I didn't know of this "know jesus know hope"...thanks for telling me about it, NOW it makes MORE sense. Would it then be a kind of "allusion" to the full sentence, for those who know it ? like a private cue ? or would it seem reasonable to you that Israeli should know the phrase from traveling in the USA ? <br>--<br>You see my initial response to this graffitti was -<br>This is a pun, meant to make you think of your ability to choose "know hope" over "no hope", kind of Koan if you like.<br>--<br>Now I see it has a cultural history and frame, I wonder if the painter knows the jesus phrase.<br>I didn't know it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Even in Israel

Postby Sepka » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:25 am

Havanagilla said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You see my initial response to this graffitti was -<br>This is a pun, meant to make you think of your ability to choose "know hope" over "no hope", kind of Koan if you like.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It is a pun. That's exactly how it's perceived in English. I recall seeing that as far back as 1970, and sometimes they'd even add on the implied second line of "No Jesus, No Hope" to beat the point home.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Missionaries ?

Postby havanagilla » Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:38 pm

wow, so this is actually some christian missionaries running around Tel Aviv spreading the light of Jesus ??? unbelievable.<br><br>This was the LAST thing I would come up with as a guess.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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