gaza, israel...brief reminder

by **havanagilla** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:11 am

Nobody mentioned, so just a brief reminder that the region is bubbling. "accidents" killing families and children in Gaza, as attmepts to provoke the end of the cease fire by Hammas succeeds. now we have 3 israeli casualties, allowing PM Ulmart to prepare for a bloodier attack. People are generally in a state of dissociation and fatigue. people just go on with their lives, like ostriges, hoping it will all stay far from them. -- Rumsfeld and GOnzales are heading to the region, will visit Israel soon. reminder to pray for a loose cannon or some derranged suicide bomber to choose the right target this time...

by **blanc** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:11 pm

Thanks for this Havanagilla.

by **slimmouse** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:16 pm

As the illuminatis "mini me" (Israel ) goes into a period of overdrive in the middle East...... More murder madness and mayhem, in the name of "democracy". If you didnt laugh, your heart would bleed. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Israel's prime minister has promised prolonged and extensive military action to free an Israeli soldier missing and presumed held captive in southern Gaza. "Let it be clear: We will reach everyone, no matter where," Ehud Olmert said in a speech in Jerusalem. <hr></blockquote> Ghandi said that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. What he didnt add was that it retains control for the usual suspects, on top of which, they make a few bucks.

by jc » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:46 pm

Tomorrow belongs to him [?] <a href="http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/">lawrence of cyberia</a> There have been some ugly photos out of the Occupied Territories in the last couple of weeks. Even more so than usual, I mean. Probably the one that has bothered me most is this one, from Hebron, showing a settler boy refusing to let a Palestinian lady pass him on the street, while Israeli soldiers and policemen look on. <img src="http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/hebronboywpolice.jpg" style="border:0;"/> (IPC Palestine, 7 May 2006). You see some terrible images from Israel and the Occupied Territories, but somehow this one has bothered me in a way that even children shot through the head or rescuers scouring bus stations for bits of stray flesh haven’t. It is something to do with the sheer arrogance of a child who is brought up to think there is an entire sub-group of humanity that it is perfectly normal to humiliate on the street, and worst of all that he is being confirmed in his superiority by the fact that the responsible adults around him stand around and watch. The armed representatives of his government and his people tell him by their action – or lack of it – that yes, this is how an Israeli treats a Palestinian. Most of us who were brought up on stories of Israelis as good guys and Zionism as a noble, pioneering, victimless project, probably understand now that a lot of what we were fed then was a myth. But even after you have understood that, it can still be very unsettling when you see the representatives of official Israel looking on indifferently as a settler mocks and humiliates a Palestinian passerby like this. The uncomfortable thought sneaks into your mind that only a couple of generations ago this kind of casual hatred would have been handed out to Jewish people, while another nation's soldiers looked on, and you wonder what on earth is going to happen to Israel.

by **slimmouse** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:59 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"War prisoners apart, the average citizen of Oceania never sets eyes on a citizen of either Eurasia or Eastasia, and he is forbidden the knowledge of foreign languages. If he were allowed contact with foreigners he would discover that they are creatures similar to himself and that most of what he has been told about them is lies. The sealed world in which he lives would be broken, and the fear, hatred, and self-righteousness on which his morale depends might evaporate. It is therefore realized on all sides that however often Persia, or Egypt, or Java, or Ceylon may change hands, the main frontiers must never be crossed by anything except bombs." - George Orwell, 1984.<hr></blockquote> Tommorrow belongs to me........ One of the seriously thought provoking moments from "Cabaret" If only in the sense today, that the Reich has simply changed hands. Siegbushco.

by jc » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:50 pm

2006-03-31 Wandering Jew - <a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=15634">Propaganda</a> for the Insipid by Alice Ollstein Overall, I felt the conference made every issue black and white. You’re either for Israel or against it. You’re either pro-Democracy or pro-evil regimes, as Israeli candidate for prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu put it, “The world is split between those who oppose terror and those who appease it.” The speakers and “informational” videos left no grey area, no place for dialogue or debate, and certainly no place for dissent. I especially squirmed at the parallels AIPAC drew between Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hitler. To the tune of more dramatic classical music, the six enormous screens flashed back and forth between Hitler giving anti-Jew speeches and Ahmadinejad giving anti-Israel speeches. The famous post-Holocaust mantra “Never Again” popped up several times. Everything was geared toward persuading the audience that another Holocaust is evident ... unless we get them first. Now, I don’t dispute that Iran’s leader is a Holocaust denier or even that he could attack Israel, but I mind very much being forced to think he’s pure evil through clever sound bites and colorful images. The screens faded to black and the speeches began, and I recognized, beneath the rhetoric, a battle cry. As U.N. Ambassador John Bolton promised “painful and tangible consequences for Iran,” and as Vice President Dick Cheney said, “The terrorists have declared war on the civilized world, but we’ll declare victory,” I noted the scariest division of all: You’re either pro-war or pro-Holocaust.

by jc » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:52 pm

everyone's getting beaten over the head w/ the same message.

by **HMKGrey** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:09 pm

This is quite possibly the most depressing thread on RI ever. We are being played by charlatans and murderers on the right. And we are being played by charlatans and gobshites on the left. We need to start our own party. It's the only way.

by **Mentalgongfu** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:11 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> We need to start our own party. It's the only way. <hr></blockquote> I'll bring the beer. (not trying to make light here, but, well, I guess I am, despite the heavy subject matter, because we all need a little levity)

by **Sepka** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:17 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The uncomfortable thought sneaks into your mind that only a couple of generations ago this kind of casual hatred would have been handed out to Jewish people, while another nation's soldiers looked on, and you wonder what on earth is going to happen to Israel. <hr></blockquote> The German Jews, to the best of my knowledge, didn't set off bombs in schools and shopping malls, launch unguided rockets into German residential areas, or call for the extermination of the German people. If the Palestinians are hated, they've brought it upon themselves. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **Mentalgongfu** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:25 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If the Palestinians are hated, they've brought it upon themselves.<hr></blockquote> Sepka, I'm no expert, but it is my understanding one of the central conflicts between Iraelis and Palestinians is about just who brought what upon whom. And besides In my short lifetime, every attack from either side has been framed by the attackers as a retaliation for an earlier attack they suffered. I don't think I have the historical perspective to explain how that conflict came to be what it is today. But no matter who "started it," at some point, responsiblity lies with those who continue it.

by **havanagilla** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:58 am

Sepka, good point, and perhaps the German Jews SHOULD have blown up some schools and busses rather than just go along with the flow. But they (their decendants) are making up for it now, perhaps, though, on the wrong target. I say, its not too late to bomb germany...that might work better than trying to resolve the conflict without addressing the European roots to the violence. -- Generally, as to the conflict, i think that staying within the capitalist matrix (as most contributors here do) will not yield any solutions. the occupation and the entire military complex of Israel is just an arm of the imperialist globalist machine. Perhaps, it would be wise to remember that the number of victims of the capitalist economy of our region is much much larger in both paelstinian and israeli lives. the conflict is one among many nationalist "spins" that serve the economic death machine originating in the USA but not only.For the time being, the category "palestinian" renders the person a kosher victim of capitalist aspirations, when there is"peace" (aham) the application of death will be more color blind..what a relief. -- Recently, I am thinking more that Menachem Begin's attempts to square some accounts with the "new germany" (assassin Adenauer) would have been the salvation of the poor civilians in Gaza now, more than any "peace jive". I think the german people are aware and therefore you will always find them very willing to sell weapons to Israel and insidiously inflame the conflict here, so that people don't have time to remember who they really want to shoot. -- the palestinians are only doing what they can do to defend themselves, and for the time being that spares them the need to address the social and economic and political decisions regarding their place and role in global economy and interests.

by **Sepka** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:48 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>the palestinians are only doing what they can do to defend themselves<hr></blockquote> That's a rather dysfunctional style of defense, when everything they do seems calculated to make their situation even more hopeless. About the only guaranteed outcome of the current kidnapping affair is that when it's over, the Palestinians will be worse off than they were before. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **havanagilla** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:31 am

Sepka, well not kidnapping hasn't improved their situation.

by **slimmouse** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:28 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>That's a rather dysfunctional style of defense, when everything they do seems calculated to make their situation even more hopeless.<hr></blockquote> Funny you should say that huh ? Its almost as if these acts are often designed to give the IDF carte Blanche. Perhaps we can have a close look at who really benefits from that ?

gaza, israel...brief reminder

gaza, israel...brief reminder

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