Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

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Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

Postby havanagilla » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:42 pm

Hospital reports "concern for the life of Ariel sharon" whose health has been deteriorating suddenly today...<br>(Lebanon memories...are too much for him ?)<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:47 pm

As long as his 'wounds' aren't miraculously healed, I bid him safe journey, even if it's straight to the 9th circle..<br><br>If he gets up and starts walking/talking though, I'm gonna have to start stocking up on cans of peanut butter and greenbeans. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Re: Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

Postby havanagilla » Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:19 pm

backtalks here are very brutal and hateful both left wing cheering and more so, the settlers...oooh, very vicious and happy spiteful comments. in fact there was maybe only one respectful backtalk. One that stayed with me was "even god doesn't want him around"...etc, etc. The man is having a bad end, long death, and now most likely if he dies, few will attend the funeral, as a result of the war...<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Never like Sharon.

Postby slimmouse » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:06 pm

Never liked Sharon. Never will. Hated him once over. But that was once over. Hatred is what <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>they</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> want us to feel.<br><br> Ditto Bush, Blair and the rest of these guys.<br><br> I just see this whole shabang differently today. Perhaps Ive gone a little bit Ickey. <br><br> Heres how I see it these days.<br><br> We are given the gift of a physical body, wrapped within which is an eternal soul ( consciousness ). <br><br> To me that is what "God" is - Eternal consciousness. <br><br> The REAL high level freemasons have a similar kind of understanding. The square and circle - Square being the physical ( the body ), the circle representing the spiritual ( Soul ) - see " The vitruvian man"<br><br> Their are of course 'levels within levels' with regard to all of this.<br><br> Essentially however 'this mortal coil' - our 5 sense reality - our physical existence - constitutes the ideal training ground for soul development.<br><br> That soul development along with thought is what expands our universe in my opinion. And I wonder what better explanation the scientists have to offer ?<br><br> Mass = Energy = Consciousness.<br><br> M=E=C ( sorry Albert)<br><br> Which of course is what Jesus allegedly said in those writings that didnt make the final edit at the council of Nicea<br><br> But of course the original consciousness of infinite creation encapsulates the whole of everything, including Bush/Blair and all that jazz.<br><br> We are here to learn. We are here to evolve.Not physically, but spiritually. Screw Darwin. That is another provable lie.<br><br> But how are we to learn if we dont have the bad guys. The guys whos action teach us the difference between right and wrong ?<br><br> Enter Bush/Blair and Lizzie and the lizards.<br><br> Dislike them ? Yes <br><br> Respect them ? Damn right.<br><br> You cant grow inside without understanding right from wrong. You cannot distinguish between right and wrong or good and bad experiences without the bad guys. <br><br>That isnt to say we cant make the physical existence better, but I hope you catch my drift.<br><br> Of course the "scientists" and left brainers will have their say. See the thread on fluorine atoms for evidence of that.<br><br> This is my right brain speaking. <br><br> Get the bonfires and the stakes ready <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 7/23/06 8:21 pm<br></i>
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left brainers

Postby greencrow0 » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:58 am

slimmouse<br><br>what's left brainers?---I think I'm one of those.<br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

Postby Sepka » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:38 am

I'm sorry to see him go. He was a good man and a fierce warrior, a scourge to the terrorists. God bless him.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

Postby sunny » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:06 am

Sepka, here is your "good man" "scourge of terrorist"<br>He ain't called "The Butcher" for no reason:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles556.htm">www.robert-fisk.com/articles556.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Back on 18 September that same year, Loren Jenkins of The Washington Post and Karsten Tveit of Norwegian television and I had clambered over the piled corpses of Chatila - of raped and eviscerated women and their husbands and children and brothers - and Jenkins, knowing that the Isrealis had sat around the camps for two nights watching this filth, shrieked "Sharon!" in anger and rage. He was right. Sharon it was who sent the Phalange into the camps on the night of 16 September - to hunt for "terrorists", so he claimed at the time. <br><br>The subsequent Israeli Kahan commission of enquiry into this atrocity provided absolute proof that Israeli soldiers saw the massacre taking place. The evidence of a Lieutenant Avi Grabovsky was crucial. He was an Israeli deputy tank commander and reported what he saw to his higher command. "Don't interfere," the senior officer said. Ever afterwards, Israeli embassies around the world would claim that the commission held Sharon only indirectly responsible for the massacre. It was untrue. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The last page of the official Israeli report held Sharon "personally responsible</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->". It was years later that the Israeli-trained Phalangist commander, Elie Hobeika, now working for the Syrians, agreed to turn state's evidence against Sharon - now the Israeli Prime Minister - at a Brussels court. The day after the Israeli attorney general declared Sharon's defence a "state" matter, Hobeika was killed by a massive car bomb in east Beirut. Israel denied responsibility. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld traveled to Brussels and quietly threatened to withdraw Nato headquarters from Belgium if the country maintained its laws to punish war criminals from foreign nations. Within months, George W Bush had declared Sharon "a man of peace". It was all over. <br><br>In the end, Sharon got away with it, even when it was proved that he had, the night before the Phalangists attacked the civilians of the camp, publicly blamed the Palestinians for the murder of their leader, President-elect Bashir Gemayel. Sharon told these ruthless men that the Palestinians had killed their beloved "chief". Then he sent them in among the civilian sheep - and claimed later he could never have imagined what they would do in Chatila. Only years later was it proved that hundreds of Palestinians who survived the original massacre were interrogated by the Israelis and then handed back to the murderers to be slaughtered over the coming weeks. <br><br>So it is as a war criminal that Sharon will be known forever in the Arab world, through much of the Western world, in fact - save, of course, for the craven men in the White House and the State Department and the Blair Cabinet - as well as many leftist Israelis. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sabra and Chatila was a crime against humanity.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Its dead counted more than half the fatalities of the World Trade Centre attacks of 2001. But the man who was responsible was a "man of peace". It was he who claimed that the preposterous Yasser Arafat was a Palestinian bin Laden. He it was who as Israeli foreign minister opposed Nato's war in Kosovo, inveighing against "Islamic terror" in Kosovo. "The moment that Israel expresses support...it's likely to be the next victim. Imagine that one day Arabs in Galilee demand that the region in which they live be recognised as an autonomous area, connected to the Palestinian Authority..." Ah yes, Sharon as an ally of another war criminal, Slobodan Milosevic. There must be no Albanian state in Kosovo.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sana Sersawi speaks carefully, loudly but slowly, as she recalls the chaotic, dangerous, desperately tragic events that overwhelmed her almost exactly 19 years ago, on 18 September 1982. As one of the survivors prepared to testify against the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon - who was then Israel's defence minister - she stops to search her memory when she confronts the most terrible moments of her life. "The Lebanese Forces militia had taken us from our homes and marched us up to the entrance to the camp where a large hole had been dug in the earth. The men were told to get into it. Then the militiamen shot a Palestinian. The women and children had climbed over bodies to reach this spot, but we were truly shocked by seeing this man killed in front of us and there was a roar of shouting and screams from the women. That's when we heard the Israelis on loudspeakers shouting, "Give us the men, give us the men." We thought: "Thank God, they will save us." It was to prove a cruelly false hope. <br><br>Mrs Sersawi, three months pregnant, saw her 30-year-old husband Hassan, and her Egyptian brother-in-law Faraj el-Sayed Ahmed standing in the crowd of men. "We were all told to walk up the road towards the Kuwaiti embassy, the women and children in front, the men behind. We had been separated. There were Phalangist militiamen and Israeli soldiers walking alongside us. I could still see Hassan and Faraj. It was like a parade. There were several hundred of us. When we got to the Cité Sportive, the Israelis put us women in a big concrete room and the men were taken to another side of the stadium. There were a lot of men from the camp and I could no longer see my husband. The Israelis went round saying "Sit, sit." It was 11 o'clock. An hour later, we were told to leave. But we stood around outside amid the Israeli soldiers, waiting for our men."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sana Sersawi waited in the bright, sweltering sun for Hassan and Faraj to emerge. "Some men came out, none of them younger than 40, and they told us to be patient, that hundreds of men were still inside. Then about four in the afternoon, an Israeli officer came out. He was wearing dark glasses and said in Arabic: "What are you all waiting for?" He said there was nobody left, that everyone had gone. There were Israeli trucks moving out with tarpaulin over them. We couldn't see inside. And there were Jeeps and tanks and a bulldozer making a lot of noise. We stayed there as it got dark and the Israelis appeared to be leaving and we were very nervous. <br><br>"But then when the Israelis had moved away, we went inside. And there was no one there. Nobody. I had been only three years married. I never saw my husband again."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>All the Israelis knew what had happened inside the camps. The smell of the corpses was now overpowering. Outside, a Phalangist Jeep with the words "Military Police" painted on it - if so exotic an institution could be associated with this gang of murderers - drove by. A few television crews had turned up. One filmed the Lebanese Christian militiamen outside the Cité Sportive. He also filmed a woman pleading to an Israeli army colonel called "Yahya" for the release of her husband. The colonel has now been positively identified by The Independent. Today, he is a general in the Israeli army.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Among the testimonies gathered by <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>lawyers seeking to indict Ariel Sharon for war crimes</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> is that of Wadha al-Sabeq. On Friday 17 September 1982, she said, while the massacre was still - unknown to her - under way inside Sabra and Chatila, she was in her home with her family in Bir Hassan, just opposite the camps. "Neighbours came and said the Israelis wanted to stamp our ID cards, so we went downstairs and we saw both Israelis and Lebanese forces on the road. The men were separated from the women." This separation - with its awful shadow of similar separations at Srebrenica during the Bosnian war - was a common feature of these mass arrests. "We were told to go to the Cité Sportive. The men stayed put." Among the men were Wadha's two sons, 19-year-old Mohamed and 16-year-old Ali and her brother Mohamed. "We went to the Cité Sportive, as the Israelis told us," she says. "I never saw my sons or brother again."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I had been in the Sabra and Chatila camps when these crimes took place. I had returned to the camps, year after year, to try to discover what happened to the missing thousand men. Karsten Tveit of Norwegian television had been with me in 1982 and he had returned to Beirut many times with the same purpose. Lawyers weren't the only people investigating these crimes against humanity. In 2001, Tveit arrived in Lebanon with the original 1982 tapes of those women pleading for their menfolk at the gates of the Cité Sportive. He visited the poky little video shops in the present-day camp and showed and reshowed the tapes until local Palestinians identified them; then Tveit set off to find the women - 19 years older now - who were on the tape, who had asked for their sons and brothers and fathers and husbands outside the Cité Sportive. He traced them all. None had ever seen their loved ones again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Extracted from The Great War For Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East, by Robert Fisk. Published by Fourth Estate on 3 October 2005 <br><br>God will not bless such a one, of that you can be assured.<br><br><br><br> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 7/24/06 9:12 am<br></i>
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Re: Ariel Sharon kicking the bucket ?

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:19 pm

Has it really been six months? Kinda refreshes ones faith in Karma <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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