here it goes...tel aviv next

[havanagilla]

<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3281439,00.html" target="top">Nasrallah orders 'beyond Haifa' attacks</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Hizbullah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah says his group's fighters would begin rocket attacks deeper into Israel, south of Haifa; adds that Israel's military offensive in Lebanon is part of US-Israel plan for 'a new Middle East' where 'resistance movements must be eliminated' <br>Associated Press <br><br> <br><br>Hizbullah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has said his group's fighters would begin rocket attacks deeper into Israel, south of the Israeli port of Haifa. <br> <br><br>Speaking to his group's mouthpiece al-Manar TV, Nasrallah said Israel's two-week-long military offensive against Lebanon was linked to a U.S.-Israeli plan for "a new Middle East," a term used repeatedly by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during her just concluded visit to the region. <br> <br><br>He also said Israel would have attacked his forces in southern Lebanon by October but moved early when his group captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12. <br> <br><br>"In an American and Zionist assessment, there are obstacles to a new Middle East. In the new Middle East, the Palestine cause should be liquidated," Nasrallah said in a televised speech aired also aired on Lebanese and Arab satellite channels early Wednesday.<br><br> <br><br>"In the new Middle East, there is no place for any resistance movement. The resistance movements in Palestine and Lebanon must be eliminated," Nasrallah added.<br><br> <br><br>Nasrallah said his organization was ready to discuss an end to the fighting, but the dignity and national interest of Lebanon was what <br><br> <br>he termed a "red line," a reference to the heavy Israeli bombing and ground assaults on the country.<br><br> <br><br>"There is no way that we can accept any humiliating conditions on us, our people or our country...especially after all these sacrifices. ... we are open to political discussions and solutions with flexibility, but the dignity and national interest is a red line."<br><br> <br><br>The bearded Shiite Muslim cleric also said Israel could not win a ground war against his group, who <br><br>would continue firing rockets into Israel no matter how far north Israeli forces penetrated into Lebanon. <br><br> <br><br>"The goal of the incursion to prevent the rocketing of the settlements will not be achieved," he said. "The <br><br>rocketing will continue no matter what the incursion is. We are ready for a ground confrontation. We will have the upper hand in a ground confrontation. We will recover any land occupied by the enemy," Nasrallah said.<br><br> <br><br>(07.26.06, 01:35<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>slim chance i'll survive that (if it doesnt fall on me, the israeli gov will get me first )...so...a nice obituary, separate thread please and no swearing... <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

{{{hava}}}<br><br>Have faith, other than that... I'm out of words..<br><br>Take care of yourself. <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

havanagilla, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your posts and perspective here, especially at this time. Please keep your head down, and get through this.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5215366.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...215366.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Israel kills four UN peacekeepers (including one Canadian) by shelling an observation post in south Lebanon<br><br>============================<br><br>At some point, the world is going to have to draw a line in the sand...but who will bell the cat?<br><br>NOTE: the incident called for two methaphors.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

hava! is there no way you could leave the area? Please do whatever you can to get out of there! <p></p><i></i>

[Avalon]

You'll be in our thoughts and prayers. Keep in touch as best you can. <br><br>May your skills as a survivor bring you wisdom and right action in the times when you need them most.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[starroute]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>He also said Israel would have attacked his forces in southern Lebanon by October but moved early when his group captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Did Rove's election strategy just get preempted? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 7/25/06 10:29 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> You have strengths you can access You'll be in our thoughts and prayers. Keep in touch as best you can.<br><br>May your skills as a survivor bring you wisdom and right action in the times when you need them most.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And you have allies on this wavelength. Stay in touch with us.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I would glady find you shelter or provide it myself were you to leave that place and come here to the states. I don't know how to properly vocalize a substitute for prayer in athiest terms, but the safety of you and yours is something I hope endures.. <p>____________________<br>hugh manatee wins: "This is called "mutual exclusivity." A dog is not a horse. Simple."<br></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

woke up, still alive, no rubble around, YET.<br> <br>thanks for all the support people, its heartwarming. My best brief "metaphor of the morning' for today, is seeing myself as one of those vietnamese hanging from the last helicopter leaving the roof of the embassy...see one falling ?...oppps,..<br><br>on a feeling level that's my situation this morning. <br><br>too bad being a fan of fellow dissidents will always get one around poor, well meaning, hardly surviving friends ! but I appreciate the kind offers, might have to cash on some ! <br><br>reading about the electricity problems worldwide, Jeff, and the heat...well, this is my second summer without A/C (average temp daily, for this area is 32 C, which is a lot). this has certainly shortened my life expectancy anyway, but perhaps it is an evolutionary step forward, and I am preparing my DNA for the future. <br><br>commercial:<br>Come to Israel, evolve and prepare for the future <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> well, my gov has given me the "drill" these two years, no car, no A/C NO BATHTUB (actualy the FIRST item on my wishlist is a BATH, for as long as 3 hours ! with bubbles) and not much food to go by as well, so...<br><br>will report, if I can, from tel aviv should we get into the fire zone. if that happens, might be out of phones/cable though.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/26/06 6:15 am<br></i>

[blanc]

praying it stops, hava. take care. <p></p><i></i>

[AlicetheCurious]

My computer suddenly started acting very strange around a week ago, so I had no access to the internet in all that time. I made up for it by switching between Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabia, CNN, BBC, Future TV and al-Manar from the time I woke up until around 2:00 am every night, so I did manage to keep very well informed.<br><br>Hava, I'm sorry for being late in joining my voice to the others', to express the hope that you and your child stay safe. <br><br>It must be frightening to be near Tel Aviv these days, although it must be said that since you're not a soldier, the chances are quite small that you would be hurt by Hizbullah rockets, if that's any consolation.<br><br>I wish I could say the same about the Israeli bombs, to my many friends and relatives who are literally worried sick about their families in Lebanon.<br><br>My uncle's wife lost a 23-year-old niece in the previous Israeli invasion, and now she can't get a hold of her nephew, the only remaining child in that family. He lives in an area -- in NORTHERN Lebanon (incidentally a Christian-majority area) which was recently bombed.<br><br>Nobody I've spoken to, actually blames the Israeli people for what's being done in their name. I think it's beginning to dawn on many Arabs that the Israelis are no less pawns in this demonic chess game, than we are (although there are fewer crocodile tears and empty words when our own children are murdered).<br><br>If I could have one wish, it is that whatever one wishes for others would automatically be done to oneself, around the world.<br><br>That would result in the survival of the TRULY fittest, in my opinion. <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

alice thanks and hope your dear ones in lebanon stay out of harm's way. I can only say I am truly sorry for the loss of lives in Lebanon, and what seems to be a near total devastation of country. While in 1982 I was under the impression that protesting can change something and was also young enough to want to go up there and help the refugees, I am now in true solidarity with the victims there, namely, in the same situation of both helplessness to affect change AND inability to offer help, as I myself am in survival mode for the last couple of years and more so - now. And in fact, it was the same in 1982, except I was not aware of it, then.<br>---<br>It becomes quite clear that it is a certain way of thinking and being that spreads like virus all over the world, and takes its toll everywhere. I think calling it nazi-practice is already worn out, but its somethng from that family of ideologies. we can only hope it is reaching a certain peak that will lead to self defeat. And then for a while we can breath, until something starts destroying again. Or, to take condi's rich imagery, let's hope its the birth pangs of her own decline. <br><br>---<br>AS for the chances of getting hit by a rocket...well, I am not a soldier, but was defined as a spy by canada's former gov, which does make it kind of iffy, but I think that in terms of the hizbolla I am recognized as a civilian and not an enemy. lucky me. <br>This reminds me how my life was saved by a palestinian guy from eastern jerusalem who gave me some prior notice of a huge bombing in down town back in 1997, next to my office. Never was I harmed by <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>arabs</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in my life. on the contrary. But, clearly attempts on my part to be sympathetic with the palestinian/arab minorities right in Israel, did place me in hot waters. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

just a bit of explaining on my views. while i join the board's general views on this war and the part played by israel, i don't have the sympathy for Iran's regime, simply because I don't go for religious fundies from any group, its far from my cup of tea. I am less familiar with hizbolla's platform, but I am sure I don't like any "party of god" whether its in DC this time of year, or here, etc. I see the entire theocratic narrative as a scam coming from PTB production, and i see those who fall into that trap (which is understandable) as indeed falling into a trap. So, i would not lend my voice FOR Iran's "right to have nuclear plants" just because it opposes the US/Israel position. I am against nuclear plants everywhere and against correcting one evil with another, in general. <br><br> <br><br>BTW, if anyone sent me email today, i mistakenly deleted one email, god knows from who (the one telling me I won the lottery probably), so I am sending a general request for a resend, here too, and only emails from today. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[LilyPatToo]

I too am late getting here--I'm not used to a board with so many new threads starting up so frequently--but I too have been hoping for your safety, havanagilla, and watching the news for mentions of Tel Aviv. <br><br>To me, ALL fundamentalists are equally deluded and equally pathetically subject to programming by TPTB--the only difference is in the flavor of the rhetoric used. And at this point, my mind is boggled by the inability of fundies to discern this....Watching the way the world is racing to hell in a handbasket, I wonder that so many people manage to not just hang onto their blinders, but to enlarge them until not one iota of information can enter, lest it is approved by their religious leaders. How do they DO that?!<br><br>As for me, I've lost most of my cherished beliefs over the past 2 years. They fell victim to reality in all its ugliness. Belief systems are social control devices to me now. Perhaps, at their cores, there is still Truth, but to me, now, they look like ways to keep people passive in the face of atrocities committed by their governments.<br><br>So I won't say to you that I'm praying for you, but I will tell you that if a human mind has any power to send hopes/wishes for your safety, then that is what I'm doing for you. You and your son, and all those other Lebanese and Israeli parents and children do not deserve to die so that corrupt politicians can profit. I wish you good fortune.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>