by havanagilla » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:36 am
I hope you are right, Alice. I don't know. <br><br>The only thing I am thinking is that IF (and we don't know that, but sense it) the US and some of its allies are decided on cracking down on the Middle East, arabs moslems what not, and they have the power to do so, we know that, in that case the alternatives are not terrific anyway you look at it. You are brave, saying that "fighting to the end" is better than going as sheep to the slaughter. I'd like to think this way, but if i were a leader now, having many people as my flock to protect (with the added perks and bribes the job entails, for sure), i'd be shivering before making these decisions. We, humans, are always hoping for something to prevent the bad end, perhaps this is being used now against us, very cynically by those in power. Perhaps not. How can we know the future ?<br><br>Jewish experience says, certainly, better fight till you drop, rather than march obediently to the trains that lead you to death in disgrace. BUt, it couldv'e been different, for instance, if the red army or the USA started a war before, and in time to prevent the worse. Whereas fighting against a superior power, is usually a dead end. (there are a few examples for victory, in miracluous ways, of the smaller, but they are few).<br><br>We are sometimes ignoring history, and that in fact our entire history is made up of those huge movements of colonization, war, forcing one culture over another, genocide and settlements. The stronger are preying on the weaker, etc, and they always have "god on their side". In the case of the war we see now, the odds are against those resisting the USA alliance. Is it just ? no. Was the killing of the native americans just ? hardly. NO. but it happened nonetheless, and if they resisted, it would matter little to the end result. <br><br>These are hard questions. I think the Israelis (and most of the Jews) chose to ally with who they percieve as the stronger, so as not to get caught in the fire on the wrong side. Will that save them from the same fate ? i doubt it, but it buys time, I suppose. At least enogh time to get the f..k out of here for many who deem the situation lost. Would it be different if the Jews who settled here integrated with the local paletinians and became only a minority in a palestinian state ? not sure. The americans would have been here anyway, with the drums. but the jews might have saved their asses in the process. don't know. <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>I guess the bottom line of my too lenghty tractate, is would you prefer to be a compliant sell out Saudi right now, or a proud Iraqi ? remembering, we live once, probably.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Anyway, my point has long been that regardless of the "conflict", the Israeli government, as such and vis a vis its own citizens, lost its legitimacy in my eyes and therefore, as the rule of history shows, it shall fall, this way or the other. It is not serving its own people, it is corrupt and brutal, and it antagonizes both the neighborhood and its own flock. And, finally, it relies on a county, the USA< who proved itself as a serial destroyer of its "satelites", first and formost. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 8/2/06 10:18 am<br></i>