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Postby Byrne » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:17 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Peace Process: so close and now so far...</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Friday, August 04, 2006</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Increasing corroboration of the story of how Shin Bet scuppered unprecedented peace negotiations that made the current war in Lebanon inevitable, from a mainstream daily newspaper in New Zealand (of all places -- why aren't newspapers in London, Washington and Tel Aviv covering this?). The author of the piece, Chris Trotter, is a well-known political commentator in that country. Here, he draws on the reporting by myself (which was based on that of my colleague Graham Ennis from the Omega Institute) and Israeli journalist Arthur Neslan, as well as it seems his own sources to show how the entire narrative of the Middle East crisis has been subverted in favour of Israeli aggression.<br><br>"So close and now so far"<br>THE DOMINION POST<br>New Zealand<br>04 August 2006<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3754421a1861,00.html" target="top">www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3754421a1861,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>By CHRIS TROTTER<br><br>With horror upon horror piling up in Lebanon, war has once again laid waste the hopes of peace-loving people all over the Middle East. And now it is revealed that, instead of recoiling from another Arab-Israeli bloodbath, the world could just as easily have been celebrating the outbreak of peace.<br><br>At least that is the claim that has been made by Nafeez Mossaddeq Ahmed, of the Department of International Relations at the University of Sussex, and journalist Arthur Neslen on the English-language website of the Arab TV network, al Jazeera.<br><br>Apparently, negotiations between Hamas and Israeli religious leaders had advanced to the point where both sides were ready to kick-start a bold new peace initiative by jointly demanding the freeing of the captured Corporal Gilad Shalit.<br><br>Almost forgotten in the maelstrom of violence engulfing Lebanon, Corporal Shalit remains a captive of the Hamas militia in Gaza. He has been in their custody since late June, when he was taken prisoner during a gun battle between Hamas militants and the Israeli Defence Force (IDF).<br><br>Desperate to preserve the informal truce between the Israeli Government and the Hamas-dominated Palestinian Parliament, religious leaders on both sides moved swiftly to secure his freedom.<br><br>Time, they knew, was of the essence. So often, in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, tentative movements toward peace and reconciliation have been brought to a sudden halt by the provocations of extremist elements on both sides of the conflict.<br><br>Sensing, perhaps, that the abduction of Corporal Shalit was one of these, the peacemakers spent the first week of July in frantic efforts to secure the Israeli soldier's freedom and extend the truce.<br><br>Though neither the Palestinian Authority nor the office of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert were officially involved in these discussions, both governments were kept fully informed of developments.<br><br>By the second week in July, the religious leaders were ready to hold a press conference at which a joint appeal would be made for Corporal Shalit's freeing. Of equal importance to this show of Palestinian-Israeli unity was the planned announcement of proposals for the freeing of Palestinian prisoners. It was hoped that this confidence-building exercise would act as the catalyst for a whole new framework for official peace negotiations.<br><br>But, according to Nafeez and Neslen, that was not the way events unfolded. On the eve of the press conference, Israel's internal security service the Shin Bet is alleged to have arrested Abu Arafa, the Palestinian cabinet minister for Jerusalem, and Abu Tir, a senior Hamas member of the Palestinian Parliament, and threatened them with detention if they attended the meeting. Not surprisingly, the plans of the peacemakers were thrown into disarray.<br><br>At the downsized press conference, Yitzhak Frankenthal of the Arik Institute for Reconciliation, Tolerance and Peace, whose son was killed by Hamas in 1994, became the target of sustained media abuse.<br><br>According to Neslen, one of the outraged press pack demanded to know: "Should someone who murdered your son be freed?"<br><br>Frankenthal replied: "It would be the easiest thing in the world for me to say that they are terrorists and we must fight them.<br><br>"But in the eyes of the Palestinians, they are liberators. We need to understand that it is the obligation of the Palestinians, as it is the obligation of every other nation, to fight for their liberation.<br><br>"The time has come for reconciliation, and the only way to achieve that is to talk."<br><br>The following day, IDF tanks and troops poured across the Gaza border. Twenty-four hours later Abu Tir and Abu Arafa, along with a third of the Palestinian cabinet, were taken into custody by Israeli forces.<br><br>Hopes for a lasting peace were dashed. And not just with Hamas.<br><br>It has been reported that covert operations inside Lebanese territory by elements of the IDF were timed to coincide with the assault on Gaza and that on July 12, the Israelis were saying that Hizbollah had captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting swift Israeli retaliation.<br><br>By the following day, the story had changed. Now it was Hizbollah which had crossed the border.<br>I argued last week that Israel was acting according to Hizbollah's script. Seven days later, I'm left wondering if it's the other way around.<!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END--><br><br>If true, this need publicizing.<br><br> As Nafeez Ahmed <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2006/08/peace-process-so-close-and-now-so-far.html" target="top">says</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->...<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Q.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Why aren't newspapers in London, Washington covering this???<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> 'Cos they are in on it <p></p><i></i>
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Postby StarmanSkye » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:04 am

How utterly, tragically, barbarically, typically,<br><br>REVOLTING.<br><br>I'm glad this story is getting traction, and more details are coming forth, as told by respectable, credible, knowledgeable brokers of Truth -- even IF the west's mainstream 'news' media is ignoring and distorting events and outright lying to cover it up, lest it contradict the 'official' version being told about Israel's 'need' to dramatically escalate hostilities.<br><br>It occurs to me, re: this almost desperate and reckless act on Israel's part to sabotage the press meeting and announcement of an unprecedented peace-and-cooperation-accord agreement-in-principle between major actors, and re-invade Gaza and Lebanon in force -- that this DOES seem like Israel acted presumptuously and in-haste, BEFORE their apparant plans for military action later this summer/fall (Sept./October) as (if I recall correctly) Avnery reported. (Or was that said by someone else? I can't keep straight who said what!)<br><br>This account doesn't support the premise that Hizballah suckered Israel into acting rashly -- but that Israel saw the available pretext for increased hostilities fading right before its eyes -- why ELSE would the military and intelligence services be so bold as to threaten and intimidate participants in a historic peace-agreement understanding leading to release of the kidnapped soldier and of some captive Palestinians, which would have encouraged negotiation, ceasefire and good-faith demonstrations of intent -- PRECISELY what is needed as a first major step towards reconciliation and security for ALL people's in Israel, occupied Palestine and the surrounding region.<br><br>Goddamn but IF Shin Bet under orders by Olmert and in close coordination with the military and political leadership (sic) did scupper this opportunity, thus conspiring to aggravate regional insecurity and a wider, more dangerous escalation of volence and warcrimes/atrocities etc., then they are NOT acting honourably or by-any-stretch in the best interests of Israeli society OR on behalf of global peace, rule-of-law, justice and human rights -- ie., they are among the most foul, despicable criminal traitors (uhm, well, what ELSE is new? But now it's undeniably, outrageously in our faces; Along with the Bush Gang, the oiligarchy/MIC/Pentagon whore warmongers -- they are dangerous, festering abcesses on the human race (and need to be LANCED!!!)<br><br>Perhaps, if *we* in our thousands wrote, called and e-mailed our leading 'news' disseminators AND our so-called elected officials DEMANDING this story be checked-out and either affirmed and widely-told or discreditted.<br>(Somehow I don't think the mere complaints/criticisms/encouragement of mere thousands would accomplish anything, but ...)<br><br>Ah, Crikes ...<br>Wot's left to say?<br>(mumble-mumble)<br><br>Below, more details, another report with sources and citations and links.<br>Pass it on ...<br>Starman<br>******<br><br>--repost--<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?id=1464&lists=newslog">cyberjournal.org/show_arc...ts=newslog</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> cyberjournal.org/newslog/show_archives/01 Aug 2006 <br> When articles come across my desk that particularly catch my interest, I post them to newslog. Some of these articles provide real information, others are examples of matrix propaganda, and some are in between. One must always consider the source when evaluating articles, but much can be learned by listening to those with whom we disagree or <br>even whom we mistrust. <br> --rkm <br> ______<br> Lebanon: Invasion was on eve of peace agreement <br>From: Richard Moore <rkm-at-quaylargo.com> <br>Date: 01 Aug 2006 <br>Subject: Lebanon: Invasion was on eve of peace agreement <br><br>To: newslog-at-cyberjournal.org <br><br>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:58:27 -0500 (CDT) <br>From: <newcombat-at-verizon.net> <br><br>Subject: Likud, Israeli "FBI" axed Gaza peace process <br><br>Greetings, <br> The following is a press release dated yesterday (7/28/06) from Nafeez Ahmed, one of the most respected commentators on mideast affairs in Britain. Author of several well know books, including one about 9/11. He is not a kook. And, as you see, he cites his Israeli sources on this story. <br><br> Also appended is a more detailed journalistic memo by another Brit as to the background events that the press release outlines. <br><br> When ones take this into consideration along with the story that broke last week re Israeli generals briefing Washington and other interested parties (eg editors of the NY Times, I surmise) more than a year ago on the Lebanon invasion, it at least puts the lie to the repeated assertion -- which the NY Times is still using to frame every single report on this horrific war- criminal disaster -- that the cause of the invasion of Lebanon and the re- destruciton of Beirut in particular was the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers. <br><br> The "Clean Break" war policy (which the bush admin and Likud have been implementing since attacking Iraq in early 2003) was born of desperation and a certain madness in 1995. Desperation: the suicide bombing campaign had been underway in Israel for roughly four years. Madness: tiny Israel is going to conquer and dominate 200 million arab neighbors. <br><br> The Clean Break was born in a series of memos (extant) written in Tel Aviv in 1995 by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith (and maybe David Wurmser), who were there working for the Likud's Bibi Netanyahu as advisors on American relations. The Clean Break project called for Israel to "pacify" the Levant with a regional war of conquest, and included detailed programs of propaganda (including lies about Weapons of Mass Dstruction in Iraq) to be used to keep the american taxpayer in line. (Isn't the latter treasonous ...?) <br><br> Netanyahu tossed Perle and Feith out (Nice idea -- but the Americans (ie Clinton) would never go for it). Perle came back and with Wolfowitz and Kristol founded the Project for the New American Century in Washington, from which organ they began in 1997 writing letters to Clinton calling for the Americans to conduct the war that Netanyahu considered too dangerous for the Israelis alone to undertake. <br><br> Rumsfeld and Jeb Bush (the Bush family prez candidate at the time), among others, signed these letters. Sometime thereafter, baby George Bush hired Perle et al as foreign policy advisors -- and the NY Times made HIM the front-running republican for 2000 with a ludicrous cover story in the sunday magazine, introducing baby George to the world as <br>a new kind of moderate Compassionate Conservative. Rest = history. <br><br> We thought perhaps after Bush Cheney made such a mess in Iraq that the Clean Break was history. Wolfowitz being moved out of the Pentagon, for example, gave that impression. But the Clean Break is now back on track, as Seymour Hersch and the many anonymous Pentagon generals he cites warned at the beginning of July, just as the events described below were unfolding. <br><br> ====================== <br><br> * PRESS RELEASE* <br> Drafted by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, Department of International Relations, University of Sussex <br><br>* For immediate release 28.7.06* <br>* SHIN BET VETOED SECRET ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE AGREEMENT* <br><br>* Israeli and Palestinian Sources Concur: Israel Made War Inevitable* <br><br> The Omega Institute (OI), which works closely with the Institute for Policy Research for Development (IPRD), has learned from Israeli and Palestinian sources that just prior to the current crisis, senior Hamas leaders were in active dialogue with Israeli religious leaders in a round of bilateral peace negotiations. <br><br> Israeli negotiators included Rabbi Menachem Froman, former deputy leader and co-founder of the Israeli Settler movement Gush Khatif; Rabbi David Bigman, head of the liberal religious Kibbutz movement Yeshiva at Ma'ale Gilboa; and Yitzhak Frankenthal, founder of the Arik Institute. <br><br>Ongoing negotiations had resulted in a breakthrough peace "understanding", which was to be announced at a press conference in Jerusalem to mark the launching of an extraordinary peace initiative. <br><br>Israeli Prime Minister Olmert had been briefed extensively about the initiative by Frankenthal. <br><br>Also due to attend the conference were Khaled Abu Arafa, the Palestinian Cabinet Minister for Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhamed Abu Tir, senior Hamas Member of the Palestinian Parliament, and other senior Palestinian delegates. <br><br>The meeting was to announce a joint Israeli-Palestinian call for the release of Corporal Gilad Shalit who had been abducted by Hamas in Gaza, along with proposals for the beginning of the release of all Palestinian prisoners. These measures were to precipitate unprecedented new peace negotiations on a framework peace agreement, drawn on the 1967 borders. <br><br>The presence of Palestinian Cabinet Officers and senior Israeli religious leaders in contact with the Prime Minster was to underline the seriousness of this peace proposal on both sides. <br><br>Just hours before the meeting was due to start, the Israeli Shin Bet internal Security Service arrested Abu Tir and Abu Arafa and warned them not to attend the meeting, under threats of detention. The meeting, which offered a major opportunity to obtain Shalit's release and launch a new framework for peace, was thrown into disarray. <br><br>The next day, the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) invaded Gaza, and the day after both Abu Tir and Abu Arafa were abducted by Israeli forces, along with a third of the Palestinian Cabinet, provoking a predictable escalation of violence. <br><br>Israel simultaneously began conducting covert incursions on to Lebanese territory, provoking Hizbollah's capture of two IDF soldiers. Credible sources confirm that the soldiers were not abducted on Israeli territory, but inside Lebanon. Like the scuppered peace negotiations, Western officials have ignored this, and misinformed the media. <br><br>However, some reports corroborate the sources. Israeli officials, for instance, informed/ Forbes/ (12.7.06) that "Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel." <br><br>"The revelations show that Palestinian and Lebanese actors were not principally responsible for the escalation of the current conflict", said OI Director Graham Ennis. "Contrary to the misinformation disseminated by the Whitehouse and Whitehall, Israel vetoed unprecedented peace proposals that would have initiated a promising new framework for serious negotiations, and went on to provoke Palestinian and Lebanese groups into retaliations, that now threaten to escalate into a dangerous regional conflict." <br><br>For more information please contact +44(0)7891 132 574 or email <br> info-at-globalresearch.org <mailto:info-at-globalresearch.org <br><br> [ENDS] <br><br> Notes for Editors: <br><br> Full details and background information are annexed below in a memorandum by Graham Ennis, Director of the Omega Institute in Brighton, UK. It includes some relevant contacts for further <br> verification. This memo was originally forwarded to Donald Macintyre at/ The Independent/. <br><br> Memorandum: <br> From: Graham Ennis <br> Omega Institute <br> Brighton, England <br><br> Begins: <br>1: Rabbi Menachem Froman is the former deputy leader, and co-founder, of the extremist Messianic Israeli Settler movement " Gush Khatif", but he left the movement after the massacre in Hebron of Palestinians by the Israeli terrorist Baruch Goldstein. He now lives in the West <br> Bank Samarian settlement of Tekoa, where he works as a Rabbi, and has been long engaged in Muslim-Jewish dialogue activities. Froman himself has a typical Israeli political background. <br><br> His Uncle was murdered in the 1930's by Ezzedine Al Qassam, a militant Cleric whose name was used by Hama's for it's armed wing. Froman has a track record. He was a principal negotiator in the release from prison of the Hama's spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. As a result of <br> discussions with Froman, Yassin subsequently offered a ease-fire, which Yassin withdrew, after the offer was spurned by the israeli Government. He now works closely with Rabbi David Bigman, head of the Liberal religious Kibbutz movement's Yeshiva at Ma'ale Gilboa. They in turn are connected to Yitzhak Frankenthal, founder of the Arik Institute, who is also involved in religious and political dialog with Palestinians. Frankanthal has an unusual background. His son Arik was <br> murdered by Hama's operatives whilst hitch-hiking in July 1994. Instead of sinking into bitterness, Frankanthal has become a major force in Israel in the peace movement. <br><br> The significance of all this is that Frankanthal has developed deep contacts with Palestinians. He was rapidly able to confirm, after Corporal Gilad Shalit was abducted in Gaza by Hama's, that he was only lightly wounded and still alive, as a Hama's prisoner. Frankenthal became concerned that the abduction would destroy the opportunity that had arisen, after the agreement between Fatah and Hama's prisoners in Israeli jails, to negotiate peace with Israel, which was then underway. Hama's had made public its agreement to negotiations. After Shalit's abduction, and the Israeli incursion into Gaza, this peace process has collapsed. <br><br> What is not publicly known, however, is that these bi-lateral peace negotiations between Jewish and Palestinian religious activists had gone further than is believed. After Shalit's abduction, Frankanthal and the other Israeli peace workers had kept up a close and continuous dialog with senior Hama's leaders. On at least one occasion, Frankanthal had given a detailed briefing to an aide of the Israeli Prime Minister Olmert, who was demanding Shalit's return. <br><br> All these negotiations had resulted in a remarkable secret "understanding", as a result of which, the day before the Israeli incursion into Gaza, there was to have been a major press conference <br> in Jerusalem. At the press meeting, there would have been an extraordinary peace initiative launched. Attending the conference would have been not only Israeli's like Frankanthal, Froman, Bigman, etc, but, more remarkably, The Palestinian Cabinet Minister for Jerusalem Khaled Abu Arafa, and the senior Hama's Member of the Palestinian Parliament, Sheikh Muhamed Abu Tir. The meeting was also supported by Sheikh Ibrahim Sarsour, Chairman of the Islamic Movement in the occupied territories. <br><br> The meeting would have issued a joint call for the release of Shalit, implicitly backed by the Palestinian Cabinet, due to the authorized presence of the Cabinet Officer, Abu Arafa. Also, this would have formed part of a call for this to be the beginning of the release of all Palestinian prisoners, as part of an immediate start to peace negotiations on a framework peace agreement, based on the joint agreement of the Hama's/Fatah prisoners, drawn on the 1967 borders. <br><br> The presence of Palestinian Cabinet Officers would have underlined the seriousness of this peace proposal. <br><br> However, what actually happened was that just hours before the meeting was due to start, the Israeli Shin Bet internal Security Service arrested Abu Tir and Abu Arafa and warned them not to attend the meeting, under threats of detention. This threw the meeting, which would have been a major opportunity to obtain Shalit's release, into complete disorder. The organizers were forced to franticly contact other Rabbis, already on the road to Jerusalem, and tell them not to appear. <br><br> The next day, the Israeli Army invaded Gaza. The day after that, Abu Tir and Abu Arafa were kidnapped by Israeli forces, along with a third of he Palestinian Cabinet. Israel revoked the two men's citizenship, making them stateless, and also removed their residency rights in Jerusalem. The subsequent escalation of violence, which also spread to Lebanon, resulted, in part, from the failure of the peace agreement that had been about to be announced, together with calls for the <br> release of Shalit, which had been strongly "Signalled" by the Palestinians. The intervention of Shin Bet almost certainly aborted a planned release of Shalit, and a powerful appeal for peace <br> negotiations to start. The role, in all this, of Palestinian leader Abbas, which has been extensive, will one day be revealed, and written up, by Historians of this huge calamity. That is, if there is still a history, and historians, and a future, as the whole Middle East faces something that Robert Fisk memorably denounced as "Not Dunkirk, but Munich." Or is it once again, 92 years after that fateful European Summer, time for another, terrible, "Guns of August". <br><br> ENDS: <br><br> NB: Useful contacts: <br><br> o Arthur Neslan, Tel Aviv. 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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby havanagilla » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:32 am

always lagging behind the PTB....<br><br>Before the disengagement, very few radical leftists were trying to warn that the US/Israeli plan is to evacuate the settlers<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> SO AS to enable a bombing and devastation of Gaza</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. However, the "enlightened world" and most of the regular left were happy to crack down on the settlers as the "evil ones" and spread false hopes. (how could any plan by Sharon be hopeful for the Palestinians, or for peace ?). The settlers were turned into the paraiah world wide, and being who they are, fanatic fundies, with a bad record, it wasn't hard. <br>Now, this article is doing a bit more harm in lagging again behind the plans, the big plans. Of course shin bet thwarted this meeting, its not in the plan. The settlers have also realized that they were tricked by the Israeli government, and are now taking a reverse tactic and actually ATTACKING the israeli military and GSS. So, the two losing parties from the disngagement murderous plan, are trying to work against the flow of events set for the region. <br>--<br>It appears that the settlers <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>were the lesser evil</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> for the territories, true they were vain, pillaging and exploiting their neighbors, but they were also providing a living shied from the fascist, secular, "reasonable" state power of both Israel and the US (aerial bombings, for starters, starvation, closure, lack of electricity etc.). It shows again how foolish the opposition to the US/Israel fascist alliance is. And now too, how easy it is to incite the mob, including the lefty mob, to disguise the next plan. Iraq was "oh my god, what are they doing" and now Lebanon and gaza...how long is everyone going to be conveniently shocked ? <br><br>The PTB are rounding the cattle for slaughter, and using the prejudice and little hatreds to enlist the help of the peace movement. I have to say that for me, these last 5 years made me disassociate myself with any of those "movements". This board too, i usually feel is enjoying the smell of its own farts, but not looking ahead and not realizing the range of plans, in terms of years, and the level of power which is involved. power in terms of bombs and tanks. How long is this going to go on ? <br><br>This "late ignition" on behalf of the New Zealand herald or what not, is it going to influence the IDF, Blair and Bush ? are you kidding anyone ? those same writers were the ones bashing the settlers so bad, they don't seem very credible now, do they ? the entire settler movement is not worth one F-15. <br><br>But in terms of domestic politics, if the americans on this board, or the canadians or UK citizens spent more time on how to topple their own warmongering leaders, instead of monitoring the uprooting of olive trees by two (probably MC patsies) settlers in some hill they never heard of (just because suddenly the MsM you usually DON"T trust, is bringing it in full frame) religious messianic nuts...well, things might look different. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby Byrne » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:56 am

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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby dbeach » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:05 pm

What the pigs are doing in the ME will eventually happen in the USA as they sacrifice both Israel and the US on their satanic altars of HATE and CONTROL.<br><br>Most Americans are still sleeping or in a narcoticized trance or waiting for someone to save them .<br><br>The USA is an occupied nation and has been since 11/22/63.<br><br><br>Hard to remove the warmongering chickenhawks when the system is owned by a very few of them.<br><br>I read there are over 3000 new billionaire families in the USA and I wonder where there 401's are invested And IF you guessed the "military industrial complex" then you know these wars are going to continue and grow in intensity. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:17 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"if Israel, America and Britain succeed, I warn you not to be Iranian, I warn you not to be Syrian, I warn you not to be a Palestinian, I warn you not to be Iraqi ... but if they lose tomorrow, I warn you not to be Mubarak, or Abdullah or the King of Saudi Arabia."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>St. George Galloway<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/08/at-least-100000-march-against-us.html">leninology</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:30 pm

And don't forget your local <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.indymedia.org./en/">indymedia</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> for news of protests, demos etc.<br><br>I'm often told I should get out more.. maybe now's the time? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby Byrne » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:12 pm

Georgie Boy on Sky News today:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html" target="top">news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: from The Cutting Edge

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:09 pm

Thanks Byrne! <p></p><i></i>
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