Strange girlfriend stories

by **Dreams End** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:56 am

GDN01 said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>And I want to ask, did you hear the second phone call take place, or did your friend tell you about it?<hr></blockquote> I'm not sure which call you're talking about. I was there when the police called about the murder case. I wasn't around for any of the other calls. I, frankly, didn't really believe her. I do remember that her phone started behaving weirdly after that. However, I asked a phone repairman one time about tapped lines (he answered like he gets that question all the time) and he said that you can't really hear changes in the line the way the gov't listens in. However, I suppose with "lower budget" operations there'd be indications. There was all kinds of noise and it sounded as if you were speaking into a "tin can" on the phone...like maybe a little feedback. As for Monroe Institute: yes, I'm familiar with them. There's a whole host of these former Star Gate guys out doing the book and lecture circuit. I don't have information that automatically dismisses them, but I worry about the fact that the original RV research was connected to the CIA and that the original players had several Scientologists among them (my first thought about that was just that it called the startling results into question as Scientology would have a vested interest in showing the success of their mind "technology." As you will notice, if you hit on Palyne's bio, she's hooked up with several of these remote viewer types these days. I looked again and they are "clients" of her web business, but she also practices their techniques. She also posts only very seldom on her blog and much of it is rather mundane. Her experiences have basically stopped. The fact that they dropped dramatically when she left her LA home also made me thing some good old fashion human spook types were involved and didn't pack up and follow her. The Monroe Hemi sync thing is interesting for another reason as well (and I'd really like to try some of these techniques, actually). Palyne describes at least one occasion where she's receiving these sound waves that have all kinds of effects on her. I wonder if it's possible to "hemi sync" someone from a distance. It's evidently possible to send audio by microwave in a way that the recipient only hears the audio in his or her head. (I THINK that's a legit piece of info, though lots of such stories are often not well supported with evidence. I THINK I've seen some rather mainstream accounts of this technology, but don't hold me to that.) So could you hemi sync someone from afar? Personally, I think combined with her near constant exhaustion and the fact that she had some experience in hypnotism started me thinking she was on the receiving end of some nastiness. And back to my old girlfriend: I can't say too much more because it was 15 years ago and I don't remember much more. I wish I'd stayed in touch with her. I saw her about 6 years ago and she was either on disability or getting supported by her Dad, I think. Her dream stories were wild, but one of the real similarities to the link above is how she'd receive "lessons" on numerous occasions, and these lessons always came from the same teacher. As I mentioned, they had to do with various "levels" of experience or something. I'm tempted to see if her old phone number works. Wonder how my wife might feel about that? (LOL)

by **professorpan** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:02 pm

Lots and lots of interesting points in this thread, but I'll comment on just a few. Like Palyne, I also spent a lot of time in the Compuserve forums, though I don't recall her specifically. Although Palyne's smorgasbord of experiences may sound outlandish, it fits what I've termed the "paranormal complex." There's not a DSM-IV listing for it yet, though ;-) I've also had the "downloading" sensation on several occasions, though I have no strong opinions about what it means. The age-old caution about opening one's self up to paranormal experiences is a wise one. Yoga cautions against getting immersed in siddhis (paranormal phenomena such as precognition, clairvoyance, spirit communication, and so forth). And Palyne's experiences -- all of them -- are readily recognizable to someone who is familiar with Kundalini activation, which is known to cause siddhis. That's just one template with which to analyze her story. My working theory (always subject to revision) is that the barriers between consensus reality and the liminal realm (Vallee's Magonia) can become thin for a variety of reasons -- a deep inhalation of DMT, a UFO sighting on a dark road, a psychotic episode, exhaustion, trauma, or the mindset of someone attempting an occult working. Once the veils part, and paranormal phenomena manifests, further energy feeds into the complex. Once someone becomes "open," and lets down their guard, the energies behind the paranormal experiences find a willing host. Jim DeKorne's "Archon" model makes perfect sense to me (from his book "Psychedelic Shamanism"). Keel's thinking is also similar. So someone like Palyne begins to have paranormal experiences. She is somewhat frightened (a highly energetic state) by those experiences, but also intrigued and drawn to the mystery. That interest -- that excitable state of openness -- facilitates more paranormal activity. And an open door, especially if there is light streaming from inside, attracts all sorts of cold, hungry wanderers. Palyne's story should serve as a cautionary tale, particularly for those of us who are inclined to delve into the borderlands. It pays to be cautious when feeding the Archons, even if you believe that's just a fancy word for a psychological complex. Dion Fortune's "Psychic Self Defense" should be on everyone's bookshelf. At the very least, if you find things are weird and getting weirder, take a break. Socialize as much as possible. Work hard at immersing yourself in mundane tasks. When it comes to this subject, balance is not only important -- it can save your life. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=professorpan>professorpan</A> at: 7/20/05 10:31 am

by **seemslikeadream** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:14 pm

You are very wise professorpan. "Work hard at immersing yourself in mundane tasks" I thank god for giving me my mundane tasks Oh and if you can find something very funny to laugh about while you're being mundane, it can be down right spiritual! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 7/20/05 10:32 am

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:37 pm

Professor, my working theory is much the same. I'm reminded of a passage in Patrick Harpur's Daimonic Reality re John Keel. Once Keel devoted himself full-time to UFO investigations, the "phenomenon zeroed in on me," he says, and he was "catapulted into the dreamlike fantasy world of demonology. I kept rendezvous with black Cadillacs on Long Island, and when I tried to pursue them they would disappear impossibly on dead-end roads...luminous aerial objects seemed to follow me around like faithful dogs.... I would check into a motel at random only to find that someone had made a reservation in my name....some of my closest friends began to report strange experiences of their own - poltergeists erupted in their apartnments, ugly smells of hydrogen sulphide haunted them.... More than once I woke up in the middle of the night to find myself unable to move, with a huge dark apparition standing over me. For a time I questioned my sanity...." Harpur writes: "Mr Keel was indeed close to madness. This is what daimonic reality can seem like when we approach it in a manner that is too rational, too intend on explaining, too this-worldly - when we approach it, that is, in the archetypal style of Apollo. But the Apollonic attitude, as I have already said, constellates that of his brother, Hermes, the patron of daimonic reality itself. As god of borders, roads and travellers, he is particularly evident on quests; as a trickster deity he specializes in teasing us beyond all endurance, leading us beyond all rational limits. He delights in baiting Apollonic consciousness by producing physical phenomena which seem like evidence for the literal reality of the daimonic - only to leave us grasping at thin air. He parodies Apollonic prophecy by sending us predictions which turn out to be unerringly accurate at first. Then he springs the Big One on us - the date of the end of the world is a favourite - and it turns out to be false." And I can't speak highly enough of Fortune's Psychic Self-Defense. It was something of a lifeline to me when I felt I needed one, whether or not I actually did.

by sw » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:48 pm

by **professorpan** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:41 pm

Thanks, Jeff. That was the spark I needed to order "Daimonic Reality." DeKorne's views, with some commentary by Brother Blue, can be found here: <a href="http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_002/shaman.htm">www.greylodge.org/occultr...shaman.htm</a> "...The gnostic Archons, then, are intelligences existing in the imaginal realm in 'bodies' consisting of thought and feeling. They are able to tune into our awareness through our affinity with their wavelength, that is, our beliefs. They feed off of our allocation of energy to their dimension, and compete with other Archons on other levels in the overall hierarchy for their nourishment." "...What may be a belief in the Christian Trinity or Islamic Jihad [or flying saucers!] to humans, may be the equivalent of a T-bone steak to entities of the imaginal realm who depend upon that belief for their existence. A hungry Archon will apparently do anything to convince you to feed it. The psychiatric literature is saturated with examples of 'inner voices' demanding absurd levels of obedience to highly questionable belief systems." "...This book holds to the shamanic model of multiple dimensions, accessed via human consciousness, in which dissociated intelligences feed off of human belief systems the way that we eat hamburger. It is to these entities' advantage to keep us ignorant of their agendas; they would forfeit independent existence if we chose to become gods ourselves by devouring their energy instead of vice-versa. As it is written in the Upanishads, and emphasized here for the third time: 'it is not pleasant to the Devas that men should know this.'"

by **GDN01** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:02 pm

Dream - I was asking about the phone call Lynn received from the person asking her to take part in a govt. program that made use of her abilities and connected to her personal interests. If the only thing you have to go on to verify this phone call is Lynn's telling you about it - then it is difficult to know if the phone call did indeed take place. But, if you were there when it came in, or listened thru an extension, it would suggest that someone had knowledge of her and was using that knowledge - for who knows what! I'm not suggesting Lynn knowingly lied about the phone call - although that is a possibility. She probably believed she received this call. But, did she imagine it, like Nash did when he would receive similar calls in "Beautiful Mind" or was she contacted by someone with knowledge of her? In my other post on Monroe Institute, I linked to info on their current Research Director, Skip Atwater, who also has military connections as an RV operative during the Cold War. Made me glad I did not follow through on my friend's suggestion to go there for their training! There was a time in my life that I was having paranormal experiences and became almost phobic about being alone in my house at night. This led me to seek therapy for the first time in my life. I was lucky to find a therapist who did not discount the paranormal concerns as me being delusional and she helped a great deal, suggesting things to protect myself from negative energies that she even felt when she came to my home. I wonder how many people who are considered mentally ill may be suffering from a combination of true mental illness as well as experiencing paranormal activity. And yes, call the old phone number! Or google her name and see what you can find!

by **Avalon** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:01 pm

Most people have a pretty good working idea about what is right and what is wrong. Just because someone tells you to do something, you don't go out and do it. It's the classic "momily," that if someone told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? Same rule of thumb applies with voices you hear. If it would be hurtful to you or anyone else, or even just plain dopey, don't listen, and don't act on it. "But in general, take my advice, when you meet anything that is going to be Human and isn’t yet, or used to be Human once and isn’t now, or ought to be Human and isn’t, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet.”—Mr. Beaver in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe

by **hanshan** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:02 pm

DreamsEnd renders an adequate synopsis of Palyne's experience; the whole feeling of her account, the dissociated panic/dread, the notion that linear reality as one has always understood it & which no longer has meaning, can only be grasped thorugh reading her story. Her association w/ RV certainly in no way invalidates either her or her experience. There's an underlying thread in her experience which almost requires repeated readings to grasp. For a straight representation of what RV can & can't do read Joe McMoneagle: The Stargate Chronicles: Memoirs of a Psychic Spy  <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1571742255/qid=1121887749/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/701-2112219-1642720" target="top">www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1571742255/qid=1121887749/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/701-2112219-1642720</a> Given ways in which one might become unhinged pursuing such a track read David Morehouse: (les détails) Psychic Warrior: The True Story of America's Foremost Psychic Spy and the Cover-Up of the CIA's Top-Secret Stargate Program <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312964137/qid=1121887889/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/701-2112219-1642720" target="top">www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312964137/qid=1121887889/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/701-2112219-1642720</a> If you read David find a first editon of his book. There were key portions excised form the later editons we suspect were done w/out his knowledge or approval Of course there's Ingo Swann's own account. He developed the protocols at SRI. <a href="http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/2.html" target="top">www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/2.html</a> Kudos to professorpan for the term paranormal complex My working theory (always subject to revision) is that the barriers between consensus reality and the liminal realm (Vallee's Magonia) can become thin for a variety of reasons -- a deep inhalation of DMT, a UFO sighting on a dark road, a psychotic episode, exhaustion, trauma, or the mindset of someone attempting an occult working. Once the veils part, and paranormal phenomena manifests, further energy feeds into the complex. Once someone becomes "open," and lets down their guard, the energies behind the paranormal experiences find a willing host. Jim DeKorne's "Archon" model makes perfect sense to me (from his book "Psychedelic Shamanism"<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> . Keel's thinking is also similar. We might only add that the veil is actually quite thin at all times & it's usually just a matter of our socialization that keeps the other at bay; the contact can be quite spontaneous. However, it's a mistake to automatically assume that what's there is bad or even ( heaven forbid) intrinsically evil. It's not. It's so wholly strange & unfamiliar as to rearrange & reshuffle your entire being; many, many folks never recover. Fully agree that should one be drawn into an investigation, guts of steel, purity of intent, an open mind are almost all perquisites. There are energetic constellated intelligences that can absorb your being the way a catfish ingests a minnow. Not only a losing oneself in the mundane but hard physical labor is almost mandatory. It's seems when all one's familiar identity cues vanish the physical body can still remind one of home. I hesitate to suggest martial arts. However, it is an ideal grounding. Good Luck & happy hunting ....

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:03 pm

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