Voices in the head ...

by **Avalon** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:18 am

No matter what the source of the "voices,", the pragmatic response to those "hearing" them is this: If you know right from wrong, and thevoices tell you to do something wrong, don't do it.

by **Pants Elk** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:53 am

I'm interested in the way nobody here has taken up the idea that voices in the head are EXACTLY THE SAME supra-dimensional phenomena as UFO sightings - "alternate technologies" are put forward instead. These "alternate technologies" could be seen as the "extraterrestrial" solution, that is, some kind of advanced technology is responsible for all this. From what I understand of Jeff's writings, he's suggesting that this alien, "hard" technology - the spaceships, the robots - are manifestations from a close dimension that we do not inhabit and are generally not aware of. That's where I'm suggesting these voices come from - they are "faerie" - literally demonic. People afflicted with this condition lack the psychic firewall the rest of us have. There's a breach there. So these little devils, true to form, peer through and scare the shit out of us.

by **israelirealities** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:05 am

this is exactly the esoteric explanation in Judaic tradition to "madness", namely, that once we could all see behind the veils, but since the destruction of the temple, only "feeble" people see the truth (and thus are not believed). This is a form of "punishment" and being not grounded.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:55 pm

I'm not a close reader of Stuart Wilde so I haven't an informed opinion about him one way or the other, but the trajectory of this thread reminded me of something of his I saw a few months ago: <a href="http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_madness_bush.htm">The Approaching Madness of G. Bush</a> Stuart Wilde January 25th, 2005 Very recently I predicted that George Bush would eventually suffer mental problems and that he may be institutionalized as insane. (See: article below). There is a metaphysical reason why I say this. The mirror-world that is opposite us is the dimension of the subconscious mind. It has remained mostly hidden to us for all of our lives. This 3-D world is the domain of the intellectual mind and the physical body. The two dimensions are now interlacing ever so gradually. That means you will begin to see into another world, you will see what is in your subconscious mind and the subconscious of others. The age-old barrier is breaking down. Associated with the dark part of the subconscious and that part of the mirror-world where it exists are a trillion ghouls, demonic entities in discarnate form. They are very powerful. They are the true rulers of this earth because they secretly influence the hidden part of each person’s mind. When the two worlds lace completely Bush will see the demonic with his eyes open and with them shut. How I know this is that for three days in the spring of 2003 I got stuck in that part of the mirror-world that I speak of, the “eyes wide open” world. I saw the ghouls all around me and if I closed my eyes they were still there. I couldn’t get rid of them and I couldn’t sleep as I was constantly expecting an attack. They are so ugly and violent they bring you to despair very quickly. But I was held up by the thought that even if they broke through to me I knew what to do. It was just a straw to clutch to but it helped me a bit. But what would a person do that had no knowledge of the transdimensional world or its dark entities? I can’t say exactly as I haven’t seen another person in that situation but my guess is they would go utterly mad in a few days. My three days in the “eyes wide open” situation was a lesson I had to learn, no one is allowed to avoid the dark; we all have to embrace it. Sadly, sending a warm vibe in the direction of the ghouls doesn’t work it only drives them ever more crazy. The only real protection is to process your own darkness now and admit to it, and try to transmute it into goodness. As the barrier breaks the ghouls will flood Bush and there will be no one able to help him; medicine is not qualified to deal with the supernatural demonic world. Here is an article that seems to suggest that Bush is already wobbling. I can’t vouch for its veracity but I have seen the same things said elsewhere. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 10/25/05 11:56 am

by **Gouda** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:13 pm

Remarks by W. Bush at an "Ask President Bush" Event, Okaloosa-Walton College, Niceville, Florida, August 10, 2004: But we've got some strong allies, staring with the Prime Minister of Iraq, Prime Minister Allawi. They tell me the story of him. He was in London, England. He was in exile from his country because Saddam hated him. He wakes up one night and an ax-wielding group of men tried to hatchet him to death, or ax him to death. I guess, you don't hatchet somebody with an ax. (Laughter.) And you don't ax them with a hatchet. (Laughter.) He wakes up, the glint of the blade coming at him, and he gets cut badly, escapes. The guy hit his wife who never recovered, really. *** <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/wolman1002.html" target="top">Is the President Nuts?</a> Diagnosing Dubya by CAROL WOLMAN, M.D., CounterPunch October 2, 2002 From a Jungian point of view: Dubya may be identifying with an archetype (as Hitler did with the ubermensch)--something out of Revelations, perhaps, whereby he sees himself as an instrument of God's will to bring about Armageddon. *** <a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1267" target="top">"Is Bush Unhinged?"</a> by Robert Higgs, March 25, 2004 It is disconcerting for me to listen to the president's speeches. I get the unsettling feeling that the man inhabits another world in which things are the exact opposite of how they seem to me...but reality has a way of passing definite judgment, and I will not be surprised if Bush's pronouncements ultimately come to be seen as having no more substance than a bad dream. *** "The Madness of Emperor George" by Butler Shaffer September 4, 2004, www.lewrockwell.com To abandon one's mind – along with the control and responsibility for one's life that follows – is to collapse into madness. When done by enough people, the social effect is to turn a country into a Mad Hatter's tea party, or worse.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:33 am

A good reference book, for the beginner, on the non-occult perception of the "mirror world" and its subcontents (the atheric "other"), one could consult "The Double: A Psycholanalytic Study" by Otto Rank, Trans/Ed by Harry Tucker Jr. Although this book is more generally interested in the aetheric counterpart and its manifestations from the point of view of "literary" history, I personally consider it an invaluable occult resource, at 85 pages. While travelling in the mirror world, "locating" the "double" and integrating it with oneself (the knowledge and conversation of one's Holy Guardian Angel Batman!) is one of the primary goals of most western occult disciplines, failure to "integrate" is considered the primary cause of occult madness, that is, the Black Brotherhood and its shell men. Of course, the mirror can only reflect what is pointed at it, which is why Hebrew mystics see the wheels of Yahweh and others see Yog Sothoth. Depends on who is looking and where they look. Personally, I like the mirror world just fine, but I wouldn't want to live there.

by **banned** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:26 am

...is that what is 'right' or 'wrong' when you are delusional may be different from when you're not. So the person may honestly believe what they are doing is 'right' when it isn't. The usual insanity tests in law define LEGAL (as opposed to psychiatric) insanity as the inability to appreciate the nature and quality of your actions due to mental illness or defect. Classic example: Guy strolls into a police station and smilingly tells the officers that he has just killed a horrible demon on his kitchen table who had been going out at night and stealing peoples' souls, and he hopes they are pleased with him. They go to his house and find his aged mother decapitado. Quickly he ends up behind bars, of course. But in his delusional system, he did a GOOD thing for society by killing the demon. When he gets enough Seroquel in his blood of course and the delusions go away he will be as horrified as the cops were. Brian Wilson has been struggling with, well, whatever he's been struggling with for a long time and for many years it destroyed his creativity. I heard a very moving interview with his daughter Carnie a few years ago about how her father's problems interacted with her own weight problem. Interesting stuff on Wikipedia...makes me think of Mae Brussell's article on the gubmint's attempt to destroy rock musicians. I wonder if Dr. Eugene Landry has MK/Ultra connections--anyone heard of him? For someone allegedly the "psychologist to the stars" he has very few hits when you google him. ==== "Following a breakdown Wilson descended into mental illness and drug abuse in the late Sixties and 1970s. He partially recovered to try a career as a solo artist in the 1980s, with limited success. His efforts were both encouraged and hampered by the influence of his psychologist, Dr. Eugene Landy. Partially due to Landy's extreme control over Brian's life, Wilson quit working with the Beach Boys on a regular basis after the release of The Beach Boys in 1985. Landy's illegal use of psychotropic drugs on Wilson and his interference in all of his affairs was finally legally ended by Brian's brother Carl. His final release as part of the group was on the 1996 album Stars and Stripes Vol. 1, a group collaboration with select country music artists singing the lead vocals. Brian released a solo album, Brian Wilson, in 1988 and a memoir, "Wouldn't It Be Nice - My Own Story", in which he spoke for the first time about his troubled relationship with his abusive father Murry and his "lost years" of mental illness. The book makes for shocking reading, featuring some particularly gruesome details. Understandably, the book was taken out of press some years later. It is widely understood that although it was written following interviews with Brian and others, Eugene Landy was largely responsible for the book, in conjunction with People magazine writer Todd Gold. In a later lawsuit over the book, Wilson testified in court that he hadn't even read the final manuscript."

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:44 am

I've heard it posited that Bri was "neutralized" because he could've connected the PTB and the West Coast Elite to the Manson Family easier than anyone else could've. Wouldn't suprise me. But it honestly wouldn't suprise me if he was just a burnout either. This is the problem with Rockstars' mental illnesses. They have so many possible reasons for it, take your pick.

by **banned** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:02 am

...before about the Manson/Beach Boys connection...I just remembered that Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son, who owned the house was a music producer. I did know Dennis had died, but not Carl. Must be hard for Brian to have lost both brothers. Found this with a quick google: "When Charles Manson learned of his death, he commented, "Dennis Wilson was killed by my shadow because he took my music and changed the words from my soul."" Creep. The question about rock stars is whether they would have been as crazy absent all the drugs. My sole rock musician friend (a suicide) definitely had, not issues, but entire volumes, but if he hadn't gotten into smack in his late teens, he might not have died, and might have made more of his considerable talent as a lyricist and poet as well as musician. I know in my own experience, I was very lucky that I had a very bad experience with a prescription drug that made me totally convinced had I not had a very sheltered upbringing and not encountered the stuff my friend got into I'd have gone the same way. I got put on Xanax and in a matter of a week I went from one every six hours to one every four to two every four to four every two to six every hour. At that point I called the idiot doctor who prescribed the crap and said I was going off it. He told me to go IMMEDIATELY into a 30 day inpatient rehab to get off it. I said I'd only been on it a week, and I wasn't paying for rehab, that I'd thrown the rest of the prescription in the toilet, and that I would not be seeing him again because he was a quack. I then proceeded to spend four of the most hellish days of my life going cold turkey off Xanax in my cousin's spare room. I later found out you can have seizures getting off it, or psychosis, which is why they want you in rehab. I was very lucky. With that kind of addictive potential, not to mention tolerance (I was 95 pounds soaking wet at the time)...don't want to think about it.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:27 am

Does Xanax do that often? I had some given to me, by a "friend", about 3 of them, and they didn't do anything to me, although I'm told their psychotropins with similar effects to E. (Of course, E didn't do anything to me either when I tried it, so maybe its just me) I was wondering if this is normal or if it normally takes a while to do anything? I'm an addict in moderation, mostly I abuse caffeine and nicotine. But I'm drunk right now, too. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"> Never found much use for prescription drugs. They never seem to do anything to me.

by **Trifecta** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:36 am

"mostly I abuse caffeine and nicotine" Takes the edge of your psychic spikes tho <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> I have read a bit of Wildes stuff and a good part of it sticks to a form of reality I and others seem to be experiencing at the moment, especially the part about towns and cities shimmering for no apparent reason. I feel a connection to this, but not sure where it all fits into chemtrail spraying and all the images mainly bodyless faces people are seeing by the multitude just before sleep. I can say tho, that nearly everyone who allows a face to face contact are manifesting entities, both good and bad, happy, sad and evil. Some try to jump you, if at any point you feel you thoughts are not yours, you are walking, talking and thinking differently this is an invasion on your being. You do have the power to reject this force and reject you must before they become legion. Integrating the negative aspects of your imposed personalities is just as important as finding your path, it is all the same and can and should be used to manifest the reality you wish to inhabit. Stange times indeed <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek">

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:47 am

"Takes the edge of your psychic spikes tho" ...exactly. I think we should be nice to our shadow matter entity friends. Although they don't seem to want to play with me. Maybe my karma doesn't taste good enough for them. hmph. Finicky bastards. As far as the evil ones go though, remember if you eat the biggest of them right away, the others fall into line fairly quickly. QDSh seems to work well for this.

by **robertdreed** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:55 pm

I just thought that I'd mention that the Brian Wilson-Van Dyke Parks collaboration Smile is a stunningly beautiful record. His best work ever, in my opinion. As an ambitious concept record, it makes Sgt. Pepper sound like a fragmented, primitive jumble in comparison. It took me quite a while to appreciate Brian's genius for melody. Unlike my sister and some of my friends, I didn't come around to getting the Beach Boys for many many years. ( Similarly, I always thought Paul McCartney was overrated as a bass player- until a few months ago, when I figured it out. Paulie uses the bass like a symphony conductor's baton. And it works brilliantly. ) It took me a while, but now I understand why so many people consider Brian Wilson a genius. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/26/05 3:09 pm

by **FourthBase** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:59 pm

Had almost the exact same experience re: Wilson. Happened upon a bootleg, heard "Water" and felt like I was listening to God.

by **banned** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:01 am

...was that the REASON they put me on it in the first place was ANOTHER medication had given me panic attacks after I went off it! The Xanax stopped the panic attacks...as long as I kept chowing them; when it wore off, they came back worse than ever, and it took more and more to keep them away. The four days I was going cold turkey I had basically one continuous panic attack, along with muscle seizures (not brain seizures thankfully.) For maybe two whole days I just lay there wide awake, every muscle tensed, in an endless panic. The final day I began to relax and the panic ebbed away. When it was over I was limp, drenched in sweat, but my mind was my own again. I emerged and took it very slow and easy on the re-entry into life (eating, sleeping and such.) A few days after that, I went out of the house for the first time--oddly, it was Halloween, I helped my cousin take her kids Trick or Treating. I felt like I had been in another realm and come back. I would never ever take another benzodiazepine. Ever. Under any circumstance. Not with my addictive potential (both my parents were alcoholics and my mom's sister was a prescription drug addict so I caught it in the gene pool.)

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Back to basics

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Stuart Wilde

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the mirror

Avalon, the problem with your advice...

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Brian Wilson: Smile

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