Rockefellers Funded Terence McKenna?

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

I thought this thread was about Laurance Rockefeller's spending practices? Let's get back to that, ok? <p></p><i></i>

[anotherdrew]

I've got an old book somewhere from way before silent spring, talking about people over using the environment, dumping and despoiling. One section was talking about atlantic fish stocks being overfished. Many of the fish he mentioned as being in danger, I've never even heard of in my life. They were eliminated before I even got old enough to read.<br><br><br>If you really think think you can shit in your own backyard forever without any ill effects dugoboy, think again. Still, I'm simpathetic to the fact that some folks will exploit this situation to tie in with their own depopulatin agenda, but there really is an environmental 'crisis'. We're just not used to crisis that take place over a few generations. <p></p><i></i>

[survivalnyc]

rockefeller def funded mckenna.... i believe it was mainly for mckenna's hawaiian psychedelic plant sanctuary, he was collecting endangered plant species from all around the world...<br><br><br>on a level, unless you are ready to throw out things like culture, religion, science etc etc, you are gonna catch beef with mckenna....<br><br>as crafty as those rockefeller boys are, i have a good feeling mckenna was smarter and whatever he was doing with they money was okay, at least as far as the mushroom was concerned (in the sense that terrence probably asked... the mushroom...)<br><br><br><br>yeah, they could give mckenna ALL their money and i still think hed think for himself. he may actually be one of the only people ive ever heard with a original thought lol. hes not a Tim Leary like flake.... that dude (Leary) has always had a shady mind control vibe to him, Mckenna IMO spoke from his heart.. <br><br><br>of course, one of my favorite mckenna lectures ive heard is where he basically sits down and more or less says.... hey, shit is fucked, ive been trying to help, but this talking thing isnt gonna work, we need to use magic... and he wasnt kidding lol..<br><br><br>so yeah... maybe if MORE money had gone Mckennas way things would be cooler...<br><br>RIP Terrence..<br><br><br>one<br>human?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

On another note, just because someone's name is Rockefeller doesn't mean everything he touched was tainted with Illuminati mojo. <br><br>Laurance had interests in UFOs, ESP, and other topics mainstream science relegates to the fringe. He wouldn't be the first rich person to have such interests. While it's possible that his funding of McKenna, Mack, and other researchers had some sinister, ulterior motivation, it's also possible that the man was genuinely interested in the subjects. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dude h homeslice ix]

<br><br>I went to a conference this year in which the keynote speaker was a Patrick moore, a founding member of greenpeace and an environmentalist with a twist. After touting his record with curbing “whale-mining” and nuclear testing and dealing with state-sponsored terrorism, he then talked about his split with the environmentalists in the 80s. he called them anti-human radicals, and went on to tout GMOs, nuclear power, and debunked the idea of global warming as a man-made phenomenon. Talk about a tripped out speech, coming from this guy…<br><br>However, the anti-human thing sticks IMO. I read ‘future primitive’ years ago and I was young and all about it. Zerzan and his paleo-anarchists were among some of the most vehement and some say violent protestors in seattle 99. <br><br>Maybe mckenna et al, the researchers into psychedelics, have their role to play for the common man, but also for the elites. Im sure they want to play shaman now, and if they could get the world down to that elusive “minimal regret population,” maybe then they can employ for themselves what they paid mckenna to teach the world. Im rambling here…<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

/////On another note, just because someone's name is Rockefeller doesn't mean everything he touched was tainted with Illuminati mojo./////<br><br>The Rockefellers were, and are, kingmakers, social engineers, and raconteurs. Cult-building was more than just a hobby for Laurance. For more, see the Laurance Rockefeller Library in San Francisco. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cult-building was more than just a hobby for Laurance. For more, see the Laurance Rockefeller Library in San Francisco.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've never been. Can you be more explicit?<br><br>I did check the library's resources by subject heading:<br><br>Alternative Media - Iraq Conflict<br>Anthropology & Ethnic Studies<br>Archaeomythology<br>Arts (Expressive & Creative)<br>Asian Studies <br>Drama & Expressive Arts Therapy<br>Ecology <br>Folklore & Mythology <br>Gender & Women's Studies<br>Health & Medicine <br>Humanistic & Transpersonal Psychology<br>Learning/Education<br>Philosophy & Religion<br>Politics & Current Events<br>Psychology<br>Social Organization<br>Spirituality<br><br>Lots of stuff there that are also in my library. It's connected to the California Institute of Integral Studies. Most of the curriculum could be considered new-agey, but hey, it's San Francisco ;-)<br><br>What exactly is "cult-building"? Specifically? <p></p><i></i>

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

The UFO phenomenon has produced several cults, Heaven's Gate being the most notorious. The Center For the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence is more subtle example. I would know- I was a working member. The head of CSETI, Dr. Stephen Greer, received funding from Laurance Rockefeller. Dr. John Mack, the "abduction doctor" out of Harvard, also got funding from Laurance. <br><br>Alien abduction is a hoax. This was not a "hobby" for Rockefeller, as he was in a very good position to know the truth of the matter. <br><br>It's interesting to note that the logo for the CIIS is the eye of Horus. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

I'm aware of UFO cults, some of which date back to the 1950s. But UFO cults don't necessarily arise out of legitimate research organizations. I don't think MUFON, CAUS, or CUFOS have spawned cults. <br><br>CSETI and Greer have always been a bit on the whacko side. Greer in particular has been a bane to serious Ufology, with his flashlight-shining shenanigans and pimping anyone who claims to have been involved in a government coverup, no matter their credentials or how baseless their claims.<br><br>I think Mack did some groundbreaking work, although I don't agree with all of his conclusions. His ideas equating shamanic journeys to abductions resonates with my own theories about the phenomenon.<br><br>And Laurance giving money -- even big bucks -- to UFO organizations doesn't equate to cult-building. The simplest explanation, and one that is quite possible, is that he gave money to UFO groups because he was genuinely interested in furthering research into the phenomenon.<br><br>He was into environmental and conservation issues long before the environmental movement caught on with the public (he helped create several national parks, including National Redwoods Park, Grand Teton National Park, and several others). Again, some may see that as proof of a Rockefeller-orchestrated conspiracy to socially engineer an environmental movement for nefarious, globalist purposes. It's also quite possible to imagine that he was truly concerned about serious environmental issues. That idea would be anathema to those who consider the name Rockefeller to be equivalent to "Satanic Illuminati Overlord." But sometimes people in vastly wealthy, rapacious, and elitist families develop a conscience. <br><br>Very wealthy people are potentially open to exploring many of the issues discussed on this board. But unlike most of us, they have the capacity to pump money into organizations that otherwise might struggle to get meager funding. Without evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to assume he had any motive beyond wanting to fund research into a subject that piqued his interest. <br><br>We can't know, of course. I'm sure I'll be roundly accused of "debunking," but any assumptions of malign intent on the part of Laurance Rockefeller are just speculation unless there is evidence to the contrary. And I'm sorry, but having the family name of Rockefeller does not an evil person make.<br><br>I've worked with organizations that get money from philanthropists and foundations. Some of those foundations and individuals give money to make themselves look good or to generate good PR to combat a negative image (Exxon, for instance). Some very wealthy people, in contrast, really care about certain issues. There's often some residual guilt about being filthy rich, and they want to give back some of what they or their families have taken.<br><br>And I disagree with the broad statement "alien abduction is a hoax." I've met alleged abductees, and I'm convinced something happened to them -- something very traumatic. Something very real going on, though I don't think it has been proven to be alien, military/government, or paranormal. <br><br>And one last thing -- you say the CIIS logo is the Eye of Horus. All I see is a Tibetan mandala (I think it's the Sri Yantra, but I'm not sure). Where is the Eye of Horus?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We can't know, of course. I'm sure I'll be roundly accused of "debunking," but any assumptions of malign intent on the part of Laurance Rockefeller are just speculation unless there is evidence to the contrary. And I'm sorry, but having the family name of Rockefeller does not an evil person make.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Look, it's wonderful that you're exhorting people to keep an open mind and consider an alternative possibility...but do you <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>have</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> to call what others post evidence-less speculation and imply that what you post is evidence-based reasoning? <p></p><i></i>

[madeupname452]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cosmic_cointelpro.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/c...telpro.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Aliens and Cosmic COINTELPRO<br><br>Laura Knight-Jadczyk<br><br>The COINTELPRO files show the U.S. Government targeted a very broad range of religious, labor and community groups opposed to any of its agendas, and it is only logical to assume that the same type of operation would be created to cover up the “alien agenda.” Such a theoretical COINTELPRO operation also goes far in explaining why, when the sincere researcher of UFO phenomena enters this field, he or she discovers only lies, lies, and more lies; confusion and disinformation. That is most definitely the signature of COINTELPRO.<br><br>Considering all of this, would anybody care to suggest that it did not also occur to the Powers that Be that the chief means of diverting attention and covering up the truth would be to literally fund and create the “New Age” and “Human Potential movement" so that it would follow their agenda of keeping secrets? So that it would create a New Religion of Aliens that THEY controlled?<br><br>In other words, it is extremely likely that the most successful and popular of Metaphysical Mavens and New Age Impresarios are COINTELPRO agents - either conscious or dupes of those who are. The objective seems to be to attack and “neutralize” those who are seeking the answers. Those who are sincere, who do bona fide research and seek to explicate the truth, are infiltrated, attacked, and marginalized according to standard COINTELPRO procedures.<br><br>What all of this seems to suggest is that the Powers That Be (PTB) have developed COINTELPRO to an all new level of Social Shaping, Cultural Brainwashing, and the main targets of this activity would include virtually anyone who is seeking the truth about the shifting realities of our world. The cases of COINTELPRO activities against political groups must be no more than the tip of the iceberg, given that the great bulk of COINTELPRO-type operations remain secret until long after their damage has been done. By all indications, domestic covert operations have become a permanent feature of U.S. politics and Social Programming, and it is hardly likely, considering the evidence, that the New Age and Human Potential fields are exempt. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Look, it's wonderful that you're exhorting people to keep an open mind and consider an alternative possibility...but do you have to call what others post evidence-less speculation and imply that what you post is evidence-based reasoning?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Somehow I knew you'd pop up ;-)<br><br>Pissed off Cabbie said:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cult-building was more than just a hobby for Laurance.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Asking for more information about assertions (i.e. statements of fact) might drive you into a slobbering rage, but it's how <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> learn about things. <br><br>If Laurance "The Rock" had anything to do with fostering UFO cults, I'd like to know about it. If there is no actual evidence that he created cults, I'd like to know that, as well.<br><br>I thought you were going to ignore me? <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

CSETI is not just whacko...they are straight up disinfo, in my view, though I don't for what purpose. Connection to TM, but the biggest red flag is Danny Sheehan as their counsel. Also John Mack's counsel. Also founded Christic Institute...<br><br>Pissed Off Cabbie, I'm EXTREMELY interested that you were involved and would love more info on your experiences. Did you work with Sheehan at all? What of the organization seemed "cult like" to you, though I accept that statement from what I've already read about them. <br><br>They first came to my attention with the big dud (in my view) of a press conference they had some years ago. I remembered Greer's name vaguely and thought, "surely this isn't that doctor who would go out on a hill with people and "communicate" with the UFO's." <br><br>It was.<br><br>There are other interconnections to other groups as well...I've written about them but who knows where all that went. <br><br>Anyway, if you have the time, cabbie, I'd love to hear more. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Anyway, if you have the time, cabbie, I'd love to hear more<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Me, too.<br><br>Greer set back Ufology immensely -- his "Exopolitics" crusade being the most recent and pernicious example. Not sure if it's disinfo, DE, but it sure stinks like disinfo.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

Here's the Eye of Horus logo on the CIIS newsletter. I should have been more specific about that.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ciis.edu/news/innereye/ie050602.html">www.ciis.edu/news/innereye/ie050602.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>You seem to want to represent Laurance Rockefeller as an innocuous old tycoon, when, as history bears out, he was part of a brotherhood hell-bent on steering this country as they see fit. We know of brother Nelson's failed attempts to become president, including the botched assassinations of President Ford. We know of brother Winthrop's wife testifying at her divorce proceedings that the brothers often met in Arkansas and plotted how to get Nelson into the White House. We know of David Rockefeller's founding of the Trilateral Commission, and Jimmy Carter's ushering of many of it's members into the White House. We also know of the Reece Commission's investigation into the Rockefeller Foundation, and the subsequent railroading of it.<br><br>Globalization, and an eventual one-world government are the goals, and a one-world religion based on occultic beliefs are part-and-parcel of it. It's interesting to note that most of the same "new-age" subjects so dear to Laurance were very popular in Germany in the 30's. What an amazing coincidence. But, if something works once, it's bound to work again. <p></p><i></i>