Close encounters on rise in China

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:30 am

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050503/lf_afp/chinaufos" target="top">Close encounters on rise as UFOs seize imagination of Chinese</a> Tue May 3,10:08 AM ET BEIJING (AFP) - Meng Zhaoguo, a rural worker from northeast China's Wuchang city, says he was 29 years old when he broke his marital vows for the first and only time -- with a female extraterrestrial of unusually robust build. "She was three meters (10 feet) tall and had six fingers, but otherwise she looked completely like a human," he says of his close encounter with an alien species. "I told my wife all about it afterwards. She wasn't too angry." ... In a country that has lost its spiritual bearings as Marxism has given way to materialism, the idea of strange worlds light years away offers a last great hope for many. Richard McNally, a Harvard psychologist, says he recognizes the pattern from research into Westerners who claim to have been abducted by aliens and who characterized the experience as "spiritually deepening." "Our abductees typically describe themselves as 'spiritual' individuals for whom organized religion provides scant spiritual nourishment, and the Chinese UFO spotters may very well be like our subjects," McNally says.

by **professorpan** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:38 am

Jeff, one particular element of that story really interests me:  "She was three meters (10 feet) tall and had six fingers, but otherwise she looked completely like a human," he says of his close encounter with an alien species. "I told my wife all about it afterwards. She wasn't too angry." I had a classic sleep-paralysis incident at a Bed and Breakfast in West Virginia in the late 90s -- wide awake, unable to move, and terrified of something evil in the room. My heart felt like it was going to explode. The next night I slept soundly, but when I woke up my girlfriend noticed a handprint on my chest. I looked in the mirror, and saw a very large, red imprint of a hand. I tried to contort my hand to fit the print, to see if I could have been sleeping on my hand or something, but the fingers were much longer than mine and I couldn't contort my hand to fit the print. And the clincher was that the handprint had six fingers (five fingers and a thumb). At the time, I was taking large doses of melatonin to increase my dream activity. I stopped after that incident. On a side note, melatonin is a tryptamine, the same family of chemicals as DMT (a psychedelic component of ayahuasca), which is frequently associated with entity contact experiences.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:49 am

From <a href="http://www.topical-bible-studies.org/48-0081.htm" target="top">2 Samuel 21</a>, a follow up to the Goliath story: 18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant. 19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. 20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant. 21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimeah the brother of David slew him.

by **professorpan** » Wed May 04, 2005 1:32 pm

<a href="http://www.tangledforest.com/monsters/doverx.html">www.tangledforest.com/mon...overx.html</a> The last thing that 17 year old Bill Bartlett expected to see when driving with two friends through Dover, Massachusetts, at around 10:30 p.m. on April 21, 1977 was a creature from another dimension. Yet that is what he may have done, at least in the opinion of some investigators - and judging from Bill's description of what he saw. Driving along, his car's headlights suddenly illuminated a peculiar entity picking its way along a stone wall at the side of the road. As can be seen from the picture that Bill later prepared, which is reproduced here, the creature had a disproportionately large head, shaped like a watermelon, with two big protruding eyes that glowed orange, but it did not seem to have a mouth, nose, or ears. Its body was small, its neck and limbs were long and thin, and it's fingers and toes were slender and supple. The creature appeared to be hairless, but its peach colored skin was rough in texture. It stood about 3-4 feet tall (1 meter), and was observed only by Bill (his friends were not looking in the right direction to see it). Unknown to Bill, however, his strange sighting would soon be substantiated by an entirely independent eyewitness. Less than two hours later around 12:30 am, 15 year old John Baxter was walking home little more than a mile from the locality of Bill's encounter when he saw a strange figure coming towards him. He thought it might be one of his friends so he called out, after receiving no reply, John paused, and as he did the figure ran away down a gully. John chased after it and when he was bout 30 feet (9 meters) away, he could see it clearly, standing upright on its hind legs, its feet "molded" around the top of a rock, and it was gripping the trunk of a tree. It had long fingers on both hands which entwined around the trunk. When he spied its brightly glowing eyes staring at him from the otherwise featureless face, John decided to quickly go back to the road. Once he reached home, he too made a visual record of what he had witnessed, and as can be seen here, his wholly independent illustration corresponds very closely to Bill's. One of Barlett's friends named Will Taintor, 18, was driving with Abby Brabham. At around midnight on April 22, Abby spotted something in the cars headlights. She described it as a hairless creature crouched on all fours, facing the car, it's body was thin and monkeylike, its head large, oblong, and did not have a nose, ears, and a mouth. The facial area around the eyes seemed lighter, and the eyes glowed green. Abby's description matched those of Bill and John in every respect except one: when she observed it, its eyes were glowing green, while Bill said that they were orange. Will only caught a brief glimpse of the creature If the description is accurate, the Dover demon does not resemble any species known to science, either from North America or elsewhere. It is not entirely unknown in the Cree nation of eastern Canada. They speak of the race of pygmy entities called the Mannegishi, who delight in playing tricks upon travelers. According to the Cree, the Mannegishi have round head, long thin legs, arms, with six fingers on each hand, and they live between rocks in the rapids. Bibliography: Clark, Jerome. (1993). Unexplained!. Washington, D.C.: Visible Ink Press.

by **professorpan** » Wed May 04, 2005 1:52 pm

I had forgotten about Philip Corso: <a href="http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2003/oct/m15-008.shtml">www.virtuallystrange.net/...-008.shtml</a> The blurb on the cover tells us that the paperback edition is "updated", with sensational new material, but I have had it checked by one of our readers and compared with the original, and we find only one "amendment"! And what is the amendment? Instead of "bizarre-looking four-fingered hands" we find "bizarre-looking six-fingered hands", (p. 34 of the paperback). And Linda Moulton Howe (from the same link): But, whereas I had never previously been prepared to accept such an idea, I feel bound to say now that one cannot disregard the work of so eminent and thorough a researcher as Linda Moulton Howe, and those who know her monumental two-volume work Glimpses of Other Realities, Vols. I and II (1993 and 199<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> will know that, on pages 7, 9, 44, 45 and 46 of the second volume (199<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> she gives a surprising amount of evidence that aliens with six fingers do indeed exist! -- Of course, there are probably plenty of reports of 4-fingered entities, too. But I find it odd I've never taken the time to look for 6-fingered entity reports, particularly in light of my experience. Interesting, as always.

by **hanshan** » Wed May 04, 2005 1:53 pm

... gotta watch out for those tryptamine related visions: <img src="http://www.miqel.com/entheogen-hallucinogens-psychedelic/entheogen-visual-experience/ayahuasca-ufo-visions.jpg" style="border:0;"/> the chemicals themselves act as attractors for beings from other-worldly dimensions; much along the same principles as putting out scents as animal lures (e.g. deer). Di you flip when you saw the hand-print /or during the contact itself? just curious... cool stories, Jeff, professor ..

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed May 04, 2005 2:13 pm

hanshan, that's a fascinating comment: "the chemicals themselves act as attractors for beings from other-worldly dimensions; much along the same principles as putting out scents as animal lures" Makes me wonder about surprises of discovery the military made in the chemical labs, whipping up LSD and the like. Some wild stuff here: <a href="http://deoxy.org/hs_cehn.htm" target="top">Chemical experiences of a hyperspatial nature</a>

by **hanshan** » Wed May 04, 2005 2:32 pm

... Jeff - don't want to clog the thread w/ a bunch of oversize images, so including one & a link. However, if one investigates this subject in earnest, after a while, the strange logic of those alien worlds begins to take an entirely different hue. Gives one pause in considering the stories of Peter Moon re: Montauk >deleted the link, it was broken and scrolling the page - RI< <a href="http://"></a><a href="http://www.martinahoffmann.com/visions_fantasy/phoenix.html" target="top">www.martinahoffmann.com/visions_fantasy/phoenix.html</a>tx for the link.. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 5/4/05 1:01 pm

by **professorpan** » Wed May 04, 2005 2:54 pm

The night of the sleep paralysis incident, I eventually fell back asleep, but only after what seemed like an eternity of terror. The morning that I discovered the handprint I was very freaked out. My then-girlfriend just dismissed it -- although I showed her that my hand didn't fit the print, she refused to discuss it. Yes, I also believe that DMT is a chemical key to certain doorways. A large percentage of DMT trips (smoked or via ayahuasca) feature contact with entities. Terence McKenna popularized the phenomenon, and Rick Strassman's studies in New Mexico documented their high frequency of contact experiences. A chapter of Strassman's "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" can be found here (PDF): <a href="http://www.rickstrassman.com/dmt/samplechapter.html">www.rickstrassman.com/dmt...apter.html</a> A few excerpts: When reviewing my bedside notes, I continually feel surprise in seeing how many of our volunteers “made contact” with “them,” or other beings. At least half did so in one form or another. Research subjects used expressions like “entities,” “beings,” “aliens,” “guides,” and “helpers” to describe them. The “life-forms” looked like clowns, reptiles, mantises, bees, spiders, cacti, and stick figures. It still is startling to see my written records of comments like, “There were these beings,” “I was being led,” “They were on me fast.” It’s as if my mind refuses to accept what’s there in black and white. --- Therefore, I was neither intellectually nor emotionally prepared for the frequency with which contact with beings occurred in our studies, nor the often utterly bizarre nature of these experiences. Neither, it seemed, were many of the volunteers— even those who had smoked DMT previously. Also surprising were the common themes of what these beings were doing with so many of our volunteers: manipulating, communicating, showing, helping, questioning. It was definitely a two-way street. -- “There is a sinister backdrop, an alien-type, insectoid, not-quite- pleasant side of this, isn’t there? It’s not a ‘we’re-going to get-you-motherfucker.’ It’s more like being possessed. During the experience there is sense of someone, or something else, there taking control. It’s like you have to defend yourself against them, whoever they are, but they certainlyare there. I’m aware of them and they’re aware of me. It’s like they have an agenda. It’s like walking into a different neighborhood. You’re really not quite sure what the culture is. It’s got such a distinct flavor, the reptilian being or beings that are present.” “How about the scary element?” I asked. “What’s the worst they could do if they are unleashed with access to you?” “That’s what it’s about. It’s the sense of the possibility that’s so strange.”  -- There are surprising and remarkable consistencies among volunteers’ reports of contact with nonmaterial beings. Sound and vibration build until the scene almost explosively shifts to an “alien” realm. Volunteers find themselves on a bed or in a landing bay, research environment, or high-technology room. The highly intelligent beings of this “other” world are interested in the subject, seemingly ready for his or her arrival and wasting no time in “getting to work.” There might be one particular being clearly in charge, directing the others. Volunteers frequently comment about the emotional quality of the relationships: loving, caring, or professionally detached. Their “business” appeared to be testing, examining, probing, and even modifying the volunteer’s mind and body. -- End excerpts. For me, this research is the cutting edge of contact, although it's regularly dismissed by mainstream Ufology. There is no denying the perceived reality of the experience once you've been inside the "dome" (as many have termed the DMT space). In my own experience, I was incredibly lucid and alert, but distinctly somewhere else -- a dome-like, self-illuminated structure. I felt the presence of other beings, though I couldn't see them. I think I didn't smoke enough material to break through, however -- I distinctly felt like I was "almost there." Even so, it was reality-shattering. A friend of mine had a very typical experience that made him swear off the stuff. He was examined by an insectoid being and was plugged into a machine, which downloaded an overwhelming amount of information into him. His experience was far from benign, and he said the intelligence orchestrating the experience viewed him as we would view a fly.

by **hanshan** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:06 pm

... professorpan ...I eventually fell back asleep, but only after what seemed like an eternity of terror. Yeah, those extreme moments of terrror, fright, panic, adreniline can condense a heartbeat into infinity. Funny (haha) how there seems to be a dispassionate observer ( your then girlfriend) totally outside the event poohing-poohing the whole thing w/ mundanities suchlike: let's go shopping; you're ready to chew off the ends of your fingers while your friend is set to go sight-seeing. Ofttimes it's those exteme moments of emotion that can act as a catalyst for heightend states of awareness & other less well-definable realities. Strassman is right on cue w/ his research ( & tx for the quote & link); no surprise he's dismissed by the UFO-ers. Your friend's experience is highly amusing , though obviously not for him. You may be interested i this account: <a href="http://www.firedocs.com/bewilderness/" target="top">www.firedocs.com/bewilderness/</a> thanks for the account .. ...

by **seemslikeadream** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:14 pm

Weeks went by as my dream life became dependable enough to be real life. My real life became surreal enough to be dreamy. Understand that regular dreams as I'd known them all my life, I had no trouble separating those from "reality." But I had never before considered that dreams could be literal, or as "valid" as waking perception -- or, you might say, that there was a category of experience that was neither the dream-world nor the waking-world, and I didn't know what to call it... so I just called it "dreaming." The addition of that "third" aspect to my life -- experiences that I called dreams (whether they happened when I was awake or asleep), which were literal, meaning "real" but not the same kind of real, or the same place as when I was awake -- that whole concept was simply mind boggling for me. <a href="http://www.firedocs.com/bewilderness/" target="top">www.firedocs.com/bewilderness/</a> <img src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/travesmilies/smilie_bett.gif" style="border:0;"/> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 5/4/05 3:38 pm

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:14 pm

This is all new to me. Fascinating stuff. <a href="http://deoxy.org/h_twha.htm" target="top">Terence McKenna</a>: What happens on DMT ... a troop of elves smashes down your front door, and rotates and balances the wheels on the afterdeath vehicle, present you with the bill and then depart. And it's completely paradigm shattering. I mean, you know, union with the white light you could handle. An invasion of your apartment by jewelled self-dribbling basketballs from hyperspace that are speaking demotic Greek is not something that you anticipated and could handle. Sometimes people say, "Is DMT dangerous? It sounds so crazy. Is it dangerous?" The answer is, only if you fear death by astonishment. Remember how you laughed when this possibility was raised.. and a moment will come that will wipe the smile right off your face. <a href="http://diseyes.lycaeum.org/fresh/mantis.htm" target="top">Praying Mantis Entity Reports</a> This is an informal collection of tales regarding the strangest of possibilites- encounters with praying-mantis like entities which occur after ingesting enteogenic compounds. Why is this so common? Nobody seems to mention spiders or grasshoppers, always mantids! There is not enough inforamtion here to draw any conclusions, but i believe there is enough to demonstrate something weird and heavy is going on in the human mind. I also call your attention to McKenna's _True Hallucinations_ where he describes a somewhat hostile encounter with "pirate mantids" his wife endured. I was lying on what seemed to be a large marble slab, cold and hard. Surrounding me were four tall(7' ?) emerald green mantis type creatures, all chittering at me in some high pitched language(?). I felt no fear, no threat. It seemed they were trying to communicate, though none of their sounds made any sense to me. This went on for what seemed like about a half hour. Then I began to wonder how I would get back, and as that thought crossed my mind, it was like a rubber band contracting, as I snapped back from hyperspace, and into my body. Overhead, the fan continued its' lazy circles. I don't know quite what to think about this experience. Though I've tried, I've been unable to duplicate this experience. Tripping on hash is not easy, hallucinogenic doses are very close to the level where you fall asleep, or pass out. And the hangover, from large doses, is large also. One feels slow, thick, and stupid for much of the next day, sometimes with a mild but lingering headache. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last summer while talking with the echo of one of my past lives, discussing the possibilities of calling forth a great and powerful object called the "orb" to focus and add power, it was revealed to me that the orb would and could impose its own order on the person using it, but since i, and possibly others had orriginally made it a long time ago, there was at least something about it that was familiar, i rejected this order, and debated making another, more controleable orb, and poof, there behind and to the left of me was a mantis in scarlet robes...under the influence of my agent i had 360 degree vision, and the mantis urged me to make my own orb, reject the harsh order of the original orb, and make my own....it was not threatening, but there was an undertone of the idea that my doing so would allow it and its kind to enter the realm of humans and creat *GREAT* change...not necessarily bad, but just different....the time frame that i got for this (gulp) coincided nearly exactly with what i later found out to be the nadir of the timewave's prediction with full novelty.....keep in mind that this all happened before i ever heard about the program or that anyone else had seen this damn mantis......i was also told that by doing so, i would enter a chaotic period of my life which would straighten out around the tail end of winter....and gulp again, this cooincided with the last nadir in the novelty wave..... i have scared myself over this one. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 5/4/05 2:31 pm

by **hanshan** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:36 pm

... Jeff: This is all new to me. Fascinating stuff. An invasion of your apartment by jewelled self-dribbling basketballs from hyperspace that are speaking demotic Greek is not something that you anticipated and could handle. eyah, kind a hard to just get used to it <a href="http://www.lycaeum.org" target="top">www.lycaeum.org</a> Last summer while talking with the echo of one of my past lives, discussing the possibilities of calling forth a great and powerful object called the "orb" to focus and add power, it was revealed to me that the orb would and could impose its own order on the person using it, yeah,  raather problematic<img src="http://www.lycaeum.org/books/covers/ayanaott.JPG" style="border:0;"/> <a href="http://www.erowid.org/entheogens/entheogens.shtml" target="top">www.erowid.org/entheogens/entheogens.shtml</a> slad....coool ...

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:41 pm

professorpan, here's an account that sounds similar to your friend's: Eventually an entity came and delivered me unbidden personal attention. I was quite relieved to see another creature, for I suspected I was one myself (although not sure). At first I was captivated by its fluid motions and methodical actions. It was moving in rhythms, doing a dance of sorts. Eventually it occurred to me that the "dance" it was doing involved horrifying probes of my own form, and that it was moving faster than I could comprehend while doing so. I was paralyzed. I wasn't sure if I had a body or not, but this thing was doing something to me, which was still intact. As I concentrated more and more upon its "physical" form (which is a term I use as loosely as possible), it occurred to me that it looked somewhat familiar. Not anything I had ever seen, but close. It was a giant praying mantis, although it had mental appendages and cartoon details about it. It also looked more squat than the terrestrial version of the insect, shorter and more robust. Its many arms worked up and down my existence, probing and testing every bit. It seemed to put no effort into comforting me, yet it did through some sort of telepathy imply that it would be easier for both of us if I stopped struggling. Eventually I did, and it left. <a href="http://deoxy.org/mantrip.htm" target="top">deoxy.org/mantrip.htm</a>

by **quioxte** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:42 am

here's a link -- The molecule DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is a psychoactive chemical that causes intense visions and can induce its users to quickly enter a completely different "environment" that some have likened to an alien or parallel universe. The transition from our world to theirs occurs with no cessation of consciousness or quality of awareness. In this environment, beings often appear who interact with the person who is using DMT. The beings appear to inhabit this parallel realm. The DMT experience has the feel of reality in terms of detail and potential for exploration. The creatures encountered are often identified as being alienlike or elflike. Some of the creatures appear to be three-dimensional. Others appear to lack depth. Author Terence McKenna has used DMT and feels that, "Right here and now, one quanta away, there is raging a universe of active intelligence that is transhuman, hyperdimensional, and extremely alien... What is driving religious feeling today is a wish for contact with this other universe." The aliens seen while using DMT present themselves "with information that is not drawn from the personal history of the individual." DMT is also naturally produced in small quantities in the human brain, and it has been hypothesized that DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain. The pineal gland appears in the developing human fetus around 49 days after conception. Perhaps an embryo should not be considered human until DMT production commences. Note that "zygotic personhood" (the idea that a fertilized egg is a person) is a recent concept. For example, before 1869, the Catholic church believed that the embryo was not a person until it was 40 days old. (See my letter to President Bush on Cloning, Abortion, and Stem Cell Research.) Naturally occurring DMT may play a role in near-death experiences and alien-abduction experiences. Is it possible that the reality exposed to humans by injecting DMT is in some sense a valid reality, on par with our normal reality? Our minds, which evolved to help us run from lions on the African savannas, might not be engineered to see these other realities under normal circumstances. What is the guarantee that our minds are naturally designed to sense the "true reality"? Perhaps there is no guarantee. If this concept seems weird, consider a far-fetched example. Imagine a creature or phenomena that has been lurking among us since the dawn of evolution. If our ancient ancestors died every time they perceived the phenomena, evolution would favor creatures who did not perceive the creatures or phenomena. One might counter this argument by saying that our modern instruments, such as X-ray machines and cameras, should be able to make the creatures apparent to us, even if our unaided sensorium is not up to the task. Reasoning further, because our instruments have not made these realms apparent to us, the realms must not be real. However, perhaps our traditional instruments and theories are also not up to the task. Or perhaps our interpretation of the instruments' results is incomplete. Perhaps DMT is an instrument. As a metaphor, consider infrared goggles. A person leans on a tree. At night, we don't see the person. Put the goggles on, and a new reality results -- a truer reality -- and we see the man. Similarly, is it possible that our brain is a filter, and the use of DMT is like slipping on infrared goggles, allowing us to perceive a valid reality that is inches away and all around us? more <a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/dmt.html">sprott.physics.wisc.edu/p...c/dmt.html</a>

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