Dulce

by **Ted the dog** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:06 pm

Has there been any information put out regarding the supposed Dulce Base lately? any NEW information?

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue May 17, 2005 6:10 am

Nothing new I've seen, just the same old horror stories. I think, as usual, Jacques Vallee has important things to say here. In Revelations, about Dulce and similar rumours of underground alien/US bases, he asks "Who takes out the garbage?" If there's an underground city in the desert - even many, according to some - how does the infrastructure function without observation? The thought of an alien-human treaty is outlandish. A treaty is a human construct; are the aliens so much like us that a treaty would have any meaning to them? The rationale for a treaty is that the aliens need the government's cooperation to operate in secret. But UFOs often act as though they go out of their way to be seen, as though the sighting is the purpose. They're not hiding themselves very well. The original stories of Dulce, I believe, can be traced back to Pentagon disinformation. But disinformation can be interesting in its own right, for what it may be distracting people from considering. There could be activity in Dulce, but I think it's different, and even stranger, than a supposed alien-US underground base.

by **gwbushmalecheerleader** » Tue May 17, 2005 6:35 am

OK, I'll bite. "as though the sighting is the purpose" Well?

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue May 17, 2005 7:19 am

Many accounts of UFOs/entities show no attempt to hide themselves. They put on a display. They even invite people on board. To make the data conform to the Dulce mythology, much of the best of it has to be tossed out. "The sighting is the purpose": the effect on the witnesses. And perhaps, by extension, the effect on those who hear the witnesses' stories. Beyond that, what the purpose may be, who knows? Is it social conditioning? Or something more esoteric, like a psychic vampirism, feeding on the extreme emotions contacts generate?

by **gwbushmalecheerleader** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:16 am

Isn't that assuming someone will talk about their "encounter" if it is a conditioning tool? I mean, I would think twice about talking about it.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:40 am

"Isn't that assuming someone will talk about their "encounter" if it is a conditioning tool? I mean, I would think twice about talking about it." I agree (only a tenth or so of sightings are reported), so I'm leaning away from conditioning as the principal reason (though it may be of benefit to the humans who try to exploit, and perhaps mimic, the phenomenon), to a more esoteric meaning. Jeremy of Fantastic Planet did a very interesting follow up to my "Black Lodge" posts <a href="http://www.snant.com/fp/archives/ultradimensional-terror-and-you-part-one/" target="top">here</a> in this regard. Think Garmonbozia: entities feeding on the intense emotions their appearances and interventions generate. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 5/17/05 7:07 am

by **gwbushmalecheerleader** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:08 am

This interested me: "Whether or not Lynch was “onto something” or “knew more than he admits,” the mythology within the series draws upon many different mythological structures, and provides an excellent symbolic context within which to discuss the nature of Things That Go “Bzzz” In the Night. Twin Peaks centers upon the interplay between our “Reality” and “Another Place,” a world in which good and evil entities interact with humans and one another within the White and Black Lodges, placeless places where dreams come true and people are utterly destroyed." I'm a big T.P. fan, I think I posted before about how I made a soundtrack of all the audio in the series that gave me chills, and replayed them for that "rush? Yep, Owl symbolism? Egyptian. The Horns symbolism? Egyptian, Celtic and Norse Myth. Could be the Celtic predates the Egyptian on that one. The part that "rang a bell" on this link you provided was this: The "world in which good and evil entities interact with humans and one another within the White and Black Lodges,"? I like the late Joseph Campbell's take on that "world". It goes something like: " the Parcival Myth, the Holy Fool (which btw has almost exactly the same childhood Prince Siddhartha, Buddah, had, allegedly. GWBMC) is a Myth about how one lives one's life. Think of his name Parcival, or Percival, or Pierce the valley. One's life is also like this: You should always remember you need to walk the middle road, not too much to the left, or too much to the right, nor too much into the black, nor the white. Everyone has the capacity for Good, and for Evil. And life's struggle is to maintain that balance." Ok, he said it masterfully, I can not. But, isn't that what Lynch portrayed? Didn't the murdered girl's Pop (or was that uncle, been what 14, 15 years since I watched it?) stray too far Black, and was turned into Evil Personified? Then back again? I'm going back to that link to read more about those "G" things ( I forgot, too strange a word to program first sight) now.

by **gwbushmalecheerleader** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:31 am

I think I'm in agreement with this, from a link from Forbidden Planet: "Rich rejects that, here is his opinion: The Black and White Lodges are one and the same and it is the person's frame of mind that determines whether he is in one or the other. As Milton wrote in Paradise Lost: "The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven." According to Hawk (in episode 1<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> : Hawk: Cooper, you may be fearless in this world, but there are other worlds. Cooper: Tell me more. Hawk: My people believe that the White Lodge is a place where the spirits that rule man and nature here reside. Truman: Local legend. Goes way back. Hawk: There is also a legend of a place called the Black Lodge ... the shadow-self of the White Lodge. The legend says that every spirit must pass through there on the way to perfection. There, you will meet your own shadow-self. My people call it "The Dweller on the Threshold." Cooper: "The Dweller on the Threshold..." Hawk: But it is said, if you confront the Black Lodge with imperfect courage, it will utterly annihilate your soul." (see question E43 for more about the "Dweller".)" Yeah, I'd agree with that. So Jeff, now you're gonna tell me some have strayed there, maybe stay there, and found Powers, yes? Tell me about it.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:32 am

<a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/16/joseph-campbell-on-secret-societies/" target="top">Tim Boucher</a> had a great quote yesterday of Campbell on primative secret socities: Admission to them is through election and they are generally limited: they are not for all.… They reach beyond the local tribe seeking out friends and members among alien peoples… a particular stress is given in these secret men’s societies to a skull cult that is often associated with the headhunt. Ritual cannibalism and pederasty are commonly practiced and there is a highly elaborated use made of drums and masks.

by **Ted the dog** » Thu May 19, 2005 1:46 pm

here's a weird little Dulce related thing....a friend of mine saw this and sent it to me a while ago...pretty weird: <a href="http://www.suncitygirls.com/discography/Dulce.php">www.suncitygirls.com/disc.../Dulce.php</a> "Official Sun City Girls Discography: Dulce 1998: soundtrack LP (Abduction: ABDT-010) Soundtrack for the unreleased feature film Dulce (1995), directed by Hachiro Maki. "Electro Bovine Method" was recorded live in the studio with Ruins and Eyvind Kang. "Deception Reception" features Jesse Paul Miller on clarinet. The original insert was carelessly NOT inserted into the LP jackets by the record manufacturer. There was also a Japanese translation of the text on the flipside of the English notes by Satomi of Deerhoof. From the original liner notes by Alan Bishop: A nervous, stuttering Japanese gentleman phones me in the fall of 1995 requesting soundtrack services from Sun City Girls for his new film project about a secret underground alien base in New Mexico most commonly referred to as "Dulce." ...[T]he real kick for us came when our new Japanese friend finally announced his allegiance to the esoteric Aum Shinrikyo group most famous for the Sarin gas poisoning in a Tokyo subway not long ago. He also professed to be a former associate of Aum technical minister Hideo Murai who was killed by a Korean hitman in April, 1995. Murai...joined the Aum priesthood in 1986, becoming the head of its science unit focusing on the current state of electromagnetic weapons development including EM beams using lasers and plasma.... We flew to Japan to perform a few shows in April, 1996 and a clandestine meeting was arranged with our mysterious director friend on one of our days off in the electronics district of Osaka which happened to be less than a mile from where we were staying. So Doctor Gocher and I pretended to take a souvenir-gathering stroll down the hill and met "Hachiro Maki" (a pseudonym, I'm sure) nearby in a temple courtyard. After thirty minutes of reviewing rough cuts on his swivel-screen Hi-8 camera and discussing the necessity of anonymity in today's international fast lane, we were one million yen richer with an 8mm tape in my back pocket. Haven't heard from him since.... Side A: Dulce (Main Title) Electro Bovine Method Deception Reception Descent to Level Seven I Won't Come Home (realization) Side B: Dark Business As Usual Sweet Fatal Reflections The Victory, Biological Whirley In the Noose Dulce (guitar theme) Bobbing the Bloody Vats Unwind Your DNA "

by **hanshan** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:03 pm

... fascinating post, Ted the dog; haven't visited the subject of Dulce in some time; ran into a curious comment about it, however, in looking at Michael Riconosciuto who seemed to be conversant w/ the area/subject. Hmmm, will see if the article is still about. ..Sun City Girls is that CD available? ...

by **marykmusic** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:26 am

This name should ring a bell. He was killed in '96, not long after he started really blowing the whole underground-base topic into UFO and other circles. Read about him here: <a href="http://www.ufodigest.com/mystery.html" target="top">The Mysterious Life and Death of Philip Schneider</a> Richard Sauder authored more than one book on the subject Yof Deep Underground Military Bases. And yes, there's an acronym: D.U.M.B.'s... those in residence are, of course, called DUMBies. More interesting links: <a href="http://www.kahealani.com/articles/dulce.html" target="top">The Dulce Underground Base Exposed</a> <a href="http://ufocasebook.com/dulce.html" target="top">Dulce Underground Base </a> Lorae Ireland buried Triniti Wands at Dulce and many other places, driving about 30,000 miles all over the Western states in the summer of 2003. She wrote about it... The first, with me there also, was Area 51, during the annual UFO conference at Rachel, Nevada. I brought a cloudbuster (AKA chem-buster, named for its target, chemtrails) with me, did a talkon it and the anti-chemtrail movement in general (everybody knew that Dr. Reich also dealt with enemy UFO's), and left it there. Don't know what that is? Based on Dr. Wilhelm Reich's invention, this is something my brother developed in 2002. It's here: <a href="http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html" target="top">www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html</a> People like my husband, Dragon, have taken that technology further... the Triniti Wand is just one of many tools, specifically designed for underground bases. Some of us have simply gotten tired of complaining about things, and have actively worked to take back out planet... --MaryK

by **anotherdrew** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:11 am

hey about those chem-busters... Croft Chembuster? These folks: <a href="http://www.orgonelab.org/chemtrails.htm">www.orgonelab.org/chemtrails.htm</a> "Founded and Directed by James DeMeo, Ph.D. Building Upon the Discoveries of the Internationally Acclaimed Natural Scientist, Wilhelm Reich, M.D. Welcome to James DeMeo's research web site, and home page for the Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory. DeMeo has been investigating the work of the late Dr. Wilhelm Reich since 1970, and founded OBRL in 1978. With cooperative assistance from a network of professionals and institutes supportive of Wilhelm Reich's original discoveries, OBRL has grown to become one of the world's primary centers for genuine and uncompromised research and educational programs focused upon Orgonomy, the science of orgone (life) energy functions in nature, as developed by Reich in the first half of the 20th Century. " Apparently take a dim view of that stuff, and consider some of it downright dangerous. FYI personal I have no proof either way that any of it does anything, but I lean toward thinking that Reich did indeed find something real in his orgone ideas, and DeMeo seems to know a lot more about it than Croft. Do you feel you've witnessed/experienced Crofts equipment having some effect?

by **marykmusic** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:25 am

First of all, Don Croft is my brother. Of course I'm going to defend him. But that aside, DeMeo is, in my opinion, a gov't stooge trying to hold back the further development of Dr. Reich's work, and that's why he takes a dim view of anyone who tries to go further with it. Reich was really on to something when he went to Tucson in the mid-fifties and "greened up" the desert. He also started shooting down alien craft... all this information is available if you want to search it out. That the gov't killed him after imprisoning him is also pretty well an accepted fact. Officially, they said it was "a heart attack" but then refused his family's autopsy request. And DeMeo? Sure, he does rain-making. But at what cost? Read this: <a href="http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.htm" target="top">Orgonomy Peddlers</a> Do the Croftian chembusters/ cloudbusters work? You bet they do! From October 2001 and for the next year, my husband made about 25 of them and spread them out across southern Arizona. The first one was punching holes in the chemtrails and made a blue circle in the sky, while the resin was still hot. A side effect was that the odor of the local feedlots was reduced considerably, as was the annual whitefly infestation (the lask of crop-dusters was noticeable.) These effects are still noticeable. And the 10-year drought here is over. The spray-planes have been almost absent, except for now and then, in the last couple of years, in this part of the state. People in other parts of the country are now reporting that they have more clear days than not. But back to Dulce... what we use against D.U.M.B.'s also seems to be working. That isn't as easy to prove, though, as simply looking at the sky and seeing blue sky. --MaryK

by **Connut** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:19 am

Hey, Marykmusic! I just finished my CB and it's sitting in my backyard giving off powerful energy. I'm really thrilled with it and I can feel the benefits from both it and my HHG. Question, I contacted Don by email, as I really want to get a SP, but I still haven't heard from him. Is he still selling his stuff and am I just being impatient? Thanks, Connut

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