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Postby Camino Real » Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:48 am

What's the deal with these? What are they? Fakes, made by humans? Or are they 'real', made by something we do not know? <br><br>The circles keep coming, the designs ever more elaborate. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Crop Circles

Postby Sweejak » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:05 pm

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Re: Crop Circles

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:34 pm

From my post <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/" target="top">Carrying Moon's Water</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br>...<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>at age 18, [Maurice] Strong came under the wing of the Rockefeller clan. (The Rockefeller patronage of Moon has also been noted, and bears further attention.) The recently-deceased Laurence was well-known for his patronage of esoteric research, particularly UFOs and crop circles. It is frequently noted that crop circle phenomenon bears a strong association with large aquifers. For instance: "Crop formations in England overwhelmingly appear over shallowly-buried parts of a giant chalk aquifer. England has the world’s deepest chalk aquifer."<br><br>From "The Day of Declaration", our consideration of Maitreya:<br><br>"Those who are muttering "crop circles - WTF?" should consider that they were important enough to "New Age enthusiast" Laurence Rockefeller that he became a leading patron of circle research (as well as of population control), advocating the promotion of the benign, alien intelligence theory of their origin. Asking "Why?" does not seem like an unreasonable question." <br><br>So what do we have? Two huge post-apocalyptic sanctuaries resting atop enormous aquifers. Two billionaire globalists, one a New Age mystic and the other a cultist who has insinuated himself into the leadership of the America's conservative evangelical movement, both patronized by the Rockefellers. UFOs and crop circles. Welcome to our world.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>And more from <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/" target="top">"The Day of Declaration"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>...the modern crop circle phenomenon, something also commonly attributed to "ETs" - seems coincident with Maitreya's descent from "his ancient retreat in the Himilayas" and arrival in Britain. This hasn't been missed by Share, which says "the crop circles are created by the phenomenon we call UFOs, and there is a relation between Maitreya and the UFOs." The fact that most crop circles appear in the UK "is an oblique, subtle way of drawing attention to the fact that Maitreya is in England."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>There are <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>many</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> hoaxes, but the patterns which are most persuasively genuine exhibit <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>occult and alchemical symbology</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. FWIW, I don't believe them to be either ET signatures or of wholly human creation. I think true crop circles, like authentic UFOs, are manifestations of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>another here</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> which is intruding upon our reality, for which the occult elite is holding open the door. <br><br>And there's more going on with the patterns than <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>just</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> the patterns. Things such as magnetic anomolies to crops affected by the genuine phenomenon; beaded iron oxide deposits and slica glass formed <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>in situ</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> at extreme temperature - in excess of 1600 degrees - which leave the crops unburned. Insects, some still alive when found, fused to the seedheads. Germination anomolies: crop circle seeds growing at five times the rate of control groups of seeds harvested from outside the patterns. Orbs and electrical-like sounds associated with their formation. (On the bonus footage of the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Crop Circles: Quest for Truth DVD</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, there's video shot by "croppies" arriving at a fresh formation as two military helicopters show up. One intimidates the crew, while another goes to the formation and slowly advances upon a flashing orb in the field, which blinks out and reappears behind the helicopter, which then reverses over the orb before it disappears.)<br><br><br>Some other effects listed <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/belinda.htm" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Equipment malfunctions -- There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and magnets going haywire. No one is able to explain why this seems to occur. <br><br>Emit sound at 5khz frequency -- Researchers have measured a distinct emission of energy at 5khz emanating from fresh crop circles. This corresponds to reports of eye-witnesses who often claim to hear a "trilling" sound coming from the direction of the formations-in-the-make. <br><br>Formations transform into new patterns -- There have been instances where certain formations take on an entirely different appearance as they continue to grow in the field. For example, one formation got a wavy look within the center of the circle that wasn't there originally. <br><br>Anomalous measurements -- By doing a fluxgate magnetometer survey of several formations, bend at the naturally occurring nodes 90 degrees, but what isn't well-known is that there are different nodes that they could choose to bend. Plants have several going up their stalks. It was discovered not long ago that various sections of formations can be grouped together according to which node they bend at. Some bend at the knuckle closest to the ground. Yet in a neighboring section they all bend two knuckles up and so on. Yet one thing remains the same, they all still bent at 90%! <br><br>Patterns happen around many people -- One main point against the hoax theories is that many formations are created near major thoroughfares. They are also produced at night without the aid of any lighting. <br><br>Formations occur inside restricted areas -- Numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most notably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army? <br><br>Chalk and water underneath -- One common denominator of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds. They conduct the elector-magnet currents of the earth well and appear to have something to do with how they are formed. <br><br>Aligned with natural features of the land -- This isn't apparent from the ground, but aerial photographs have shown that often formations are imprinted on the earth in alignment with tram lines or even darkened sections on the earth. This is an impossibility without been able to see "the big picture" before permanently laying out the design. <br><br>Sacred geometry -- Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as the phi ratio that governs all organic life and diatonic ratios.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><br><br>Recommended:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Crop Circles: Scientific Research & Urban Legends</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> by Eltjo H Haselhoff, PhD<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Crop Circles: Signs of Contact</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> by Colin Andrews <br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Crop Circles: Quest for Truth</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> (DVD) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/4/05 10:46 am<br></i>
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Re: Crop Circles

Postby Camino Real » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:38 pm

Thanks Sweejak and Jeff. <br><br>Jeff, I love your thesis of 'another here'. This seems very correct, to me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Crop Circles

Postby Sweejak » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:11 pm

Photos of anomalous nodes in plants found at circle sites<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=Nodes%2C%20Crop%20Circles&num=20&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&sa=N&tab=wi">images.google.com/images?...a=N&tab=wi</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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There's a style of crop circle that to me looks alien

Postby glubglubglub » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:55 pm

And there's a lot of mathematical and symmetric wanking going on in what I take to be the hoaxers and/or manmade disinfo circles...when you see symmetry groups, level curves of holomorphic maps, or fractal sets I assume fakery.<br><br>The interesting ones to me have a black-white alternation to indicate what I take to be depth:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.esonet.org/pinacoteca/cropcircles/galleria3/Cerchio%20nel%20Grano%20apparso%20a%20Chilbolton,%20Inghilterra,%2013-08-00.jpg">www.esonet.org/pinacoteca...-08-00.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.esonet.org/pinacoteca/cropcircles/galleria3/image005.jpg">www.esonet.org/pinacoteca...age005.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.esonet.org/pinacoteca/cropcircles/galleria3/Bishops%20Sutton%20England.jpg">www.esonet.org/pinacoteca...ngland.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.esonet.org/pinacoteca/cropcircles/galleria3/Cerchio%20nel%20Grano%20apparso%20a%20Yatesbury,%20Inghilterra,%2022-07-01.jpg">www.esonet.org/pinacoteca...-07-01.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and the ones I take to be fake are usually just math in-jokes of sorts, or just very intricate but unimaginative symmetric patterns. I'm not sure of what I make of the 'linear' patterns like this famous one:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/1990/uk1990bi.jpg">www.lucypringle.co.uk/pho...1990bi.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>My gut feeling says the legitimate ones are molecular formulas of some sort, and the overly symmetric/mathematical ones disinfo to lead away from that interpretation. <p></p><i></i>
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I agree, there's a lot of wanking going on.

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:30 pm

I have no doubt that <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>very</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> sophisticated patterns are hoaxes. In fact, it's some of the most sophisticated ones I'm least persuaded by. There's an evident <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>human</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> intelligence to them.<br><br>An example of a pattern I believe to be genuine is <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.timestar.org/ccbarbury.htm" target="top">Barbary Castle</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.timestar.org/ccbarbury91.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Four Euclidean rules that Hawkins identified in 12 of 19 crop circles enabled him to derive a fifth rule that Euclid had not expressed but was a logical extension of the first four. Hawkins appealed to the teachers and students who read Mathematics Teacher magazine to ask if anyone knew of published reference to a fifth rule derived from the four Euclidean theorems he had identified in 12 of 19 crop circles he had studied. None of the teachers and students who read Mathematics Teacher knew of any reference Euclid had made to such a theorem. A crop circle demonstrating the fifth rule Hawkins had derived from earlier crop circles was made the next year. <br><br>These ratios can be translated into musical notes and scales using Pythagoras' musical theory of the Lambdoma, a multiplication and division table that is the basis of diatonic scales used in Western music. Pythagorean theorems in crop circles point back to an era when the olden gods taught the mathematical foundations of Western civilization to Pythagoras. Reaching back 2,600 years into history, the timeless principles Pythagoras taught are renewed in crop circles.<br><br>Pythagoras spoke of different sorts of music to which the Lambdoma's ratios could be applied. Musica instrumentalis is the ordinary music made by playing the seven-string ancestor of the guitar the Pythagorean's invented; musica humana, is the music made by the human organism, especially the resonance between soul and body beyond the range of human hearing; and musica mundana, is the music of the cosmos, which would come to be known as the music of the spheres. <br><br>The basis of the Music Of The Spheres, according to Pythagoras, is that all matter vibrates and vibration produces sound that could be heard if were within the range of human hearing or perception. The Pythagoreans used mathematics to train the mind and sensitize perception to attune to the Ideal that Pythagoras postulated.<br><br>Pythagoras spent 22 years in Egypt as a priest of the temple before Cyrus the Great, King of Persia, burned the temples of Memphis and Thebes in 527 BCE and took him to Babylon as a prisoner. After returning to Greece Pythagoras founded the first of the Greek wisdom schools. Pythagoras and his students revered Apollo as their mentor in the tradition of the ancient mystery schools that acquired information from oracles and were sworn to vows of secrecy. The mathematician-healer Pythagoreans taught their principles with a stringed instrument called the cithara, which was the forerunner of the modern guitar. <br><br>Pythagoras literally means "Place of Apollo's Temple" in the ancient Greek language, formed from the words "pithias" which means "Apollo's Temple" and "agora" for "Place". Apollo is the only Greek deity who was not native to Greece, yet he represents order, harmony, and civilization in a way that most other Olympian deities cannot equal. Apollo is associated with music and medicine, and his role as the leader of the Muses establishes him as a patron of intellectual pursuits. His symbols include the musical lyre, the bow, and the swan representing Cygnus. <br><br>According to the Greek poet Hesiod, Apollo is the son of the Olympian Zeus and the Titan Leto the brother of the goddess Artemis. When Zeus's wife, Hera, found that Zeus had impregnated another goddess, the Titan Leto, she would not allow Leto to bear the children. Leto was forced to take shelter on the island Delos, which means "brilliant". Apollo was also identified with Helios, the all-seeing Sun god, and was worshipped in many places, particularly Corinth and Rhodes, after 450 BCE. Earlier accounts of Helios related that he was the son of Titan Hyperion and the Titaness Theia and was brother of Selene (the Moon) and Eos (Dawn). <br><br>We find an account of Apollo's birth on the distant northern island of Hyperborea, according to the 1st century BC historian, Diodorus Siculus, who quoted an earlier 3rd century historian, Hecataeus of Abdera: "There is a magnificent sacred precinct of Apollo and a notable temple which is spherical in shape" on an island inhabited by the Hyperboreans. Hyperborean is a Greek term for a people who lived in the distant north and worshiped the Greek Apollo. This often cited reference attributed to Hecataeus was taken from a 3rd century book that has now been lost except for an index but which Diodorus Siculus was familiar with in the 1st century BCE. The Dorian musical scale first developed on a lyre, called the hearpa in Old English, is commonly heard in Irish jigs and Gregorian chants and may have been the instrument that accompanied Anglo-Saxon poems and stories such as Beowulf. Depictions of lyres over 3,000 years show two main types: one with seven or fewer strings and one with more than seven strings. The lyre was one of Apollo's primary symbols in Greece where the Pythagoreans used the seven-string cithara. <br><br>Another account of the sun god's birth on an island is found in Egypt where Apollo was known as Horus. As Apollo appeared in Greece after the Dorian invasion, Horus appeared in pre-dynastic Egypt after his followers invaded there. The Egyptian form of Horus, Heru, can become Helu with the "l" and "r" interchangeable. This gives us the Greek solar god Helios, or Apollo. In Egypt Horus signified, "He who is above," from the Egyptian word "Hor", which translates as "face." <br><br>In his most popular form, Horus was known as "He who has on his brow Two Eyes," the sun and moon representing his eyes. He became part of Egyptian religion and was associated with the sun god, Ra. Horus was so important to Egyptian religion that Pharaohs were considered his human manifestation and even took on the name Horus. In the Osiris cults, Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis. He was conceived magically after the death of Osiris and brought up by Isis on a floating island in the marshes of Buto. As a child he was in constant danger from his uncle Seth, who had murdered his father Osiris, and who sent serpents and monsters to attack him. His mother, Isis, warded off the evil sent to him. As a young man, Horus avenged his father Osiris's death by victoriously waging war against Seth.<br><br>In Greece, England and Egypt, Apollo-Horus was associated with the appearance of mathematics and science that still confounds modern technology.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.timestar.org/ccbarburybw.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Another study of Barbary Castle <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://ufologie.net/htm/croppt.htm" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Most interesting is the fact that there was a direct symbolic link between the circles at the corners of this triangle and the lower circles on the Tree of Life of the Qabala, these circles representing the activating agents through which the Divine becomes Manifest in the relationships which permeate all living things and objects. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Barbury Castle configuration can be seen, then, as a symbolic figure of the Divine order that exists at the interface between one level of matter and another</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/5/05 1:33 pm<br></i>
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I've never liked that one

Postby glubglubglub » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:49 pm

it's too 'crappy' to be one of the overly-intricate fakes and yet not seemingly 'alien' enough to be 'alien'; I've seen some other fellow interpret it as a free energy device schematic semi-convincingly, but the occult explanation seems as (un?)likely as any other.<br><br>The etymological linkage tieing Pythagoras back to Horus is interesting in its own right, but the connection of this circle to that seems rather tenuous at best...among other trinities a three-pointed system could symbolize picking the bottom three rungs of the kaballah tree-of-life seems arbitrary unless there's a convincing pictorial linkage between the kinds of circles drawn here and the themes of those rungs...the piece's conclusion doesn't seem justified by the evidence presented, although it's not unjustified either.<br><br>Is there any evidence that the orientation in the line drawing is the intended orientation? I suspect the correct sequencing is the circle with line followed by circle with six lines followed by spiral, but have no evidence to go on for that conjecture. <p></p><i></i>
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another nifty sorta circle

Postby glubglubglub » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:26 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cropcircleconnector.com/ilyes/ilyes9.html">cropcircleconnector.com/i...lyes9.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>wonder how many more are out there? <p></p><i></i>
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i think...

Postby human » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:35 pm

i think that we are the circlemakers.<br><br>not with stepping on wooden boards to lay down the crop (well.....sometimes), but with our minds....<br><br>i think they are signs from the emerging global human conciousness.... we are teaching ourselves how to evolve..<br><br>in no way am i saying thats has to be the only answer, its just the idea that makes the most sense to me...<br><br>human mind + electronic music + psychedelics + the internet + sacred geometry = crop circles IMO<br><br>one<br>human? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: i think...

Postby Sweejak » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:24 pm

The noosphere, global consciousness or unconsciousness is an intuitive and even logical idea. Has anyone ever checked out the web bot results at halfpast human? They are sometimes released at urbansurvival.com<br><br>The 100th Monkey was supposed to be a proof of this but that turned out to be seriously flawed. You don't need that though, there are plenty of other examples of global consciousness although I don't know of any that were as tidy as that.<br><br>I always saw the internet as a case of multiple cells communicating and when that happens you have an organism, or maybe just a hive.<br><br>The remote viewing article somehow doesn't make sense... that these things are markers. It's too low tech for that, I mean it would be like communicating with hashes on tree trunks when you have a satellite phone. Anyway wouldn't you have to communicate their location to the other entities, so why bother with these circles. I have suspicions with some of the circles, those being so much like someone playing with a compass. <br> <br> Maybe they are the groundwork for one of the invented religions yet to be revealed but then too aren't their reports of ancient circles.<br><br>I don't know what they are. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: i think...

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:58 pm

human, I think there is something to that.<br><br>I've heard credible accounts - well, credible to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>me</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> - of people visualizing patterns before they appear on the ground. <br><br>For instance, in the documentary <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Crop Circles: Quest for Truth</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, pilot Busty Taylor tells of flying over a field one day, early in the investigation of the phenomenon, talking to Colin Andrews about different circle design elements, and musing "Wouldn't it be something to see a circle with all the elements?" The next day, in the exact spot over which he was flying when he made the comment, a pattern appeared with all the elements.<br><br>As with UFOs, even <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>genuine</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> UFOs, it seems humans are also participants in the phenomenon, and not mere spectators. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: i think...

Postby Sweejak » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:19 am

Via Rense Via Pravda<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Unseen force fells trees and kills birds in Russian woods<br>07/07/2005 12:10<br>The trees fell down in one and the same anti-clockwise direction<br><br>A bizarre incident occurred in the woods of the Khabarovsk region, in Russia's Far East. A large number of trees fell down for an unknown reason on the territory of about three square kilometers, Interfax reports with reference to the press secretary of the EMERCOM department in the Far East. <br><br>Regional authorities received the information about the fallen trees in the woods on Tuesday. A special group of EMERCOM specialists, ecologists and scientists set off to the site of the incident yesterday.<br><br>The specialists examined the anomalous zone and took samples of air, soil, water and wood for laboratory analyses. It was noticed that all the trees had fallen down in one and the same anti-clockwise direction. The trees growing on the top of the hill, which is situated in the anomalous zone, were uprooted, whereas other trees growing closer to the foot of the hill were split or broken.<br><br>According to preliminary conclusions, the tree felling occurred as a result of a twister, which was formed on the intersection of cold and warm air masses. Specialists added, however, that twisters are not a typical weather phenomenon in the region. Furthermore, the archives of local meteorological services did not contain any information about the twister.<br><br>The analysis showed that the radiation and the chemical backgrounds on the territory of the incident were normal.<br><br>Anatoly Savchuk, the chairman of the local logging enterprise, supposed that the strange incident could occur as a result of UFO activities. The trees were felled on the territory in a rather specific order. In addition, the grass was cut too, as if it had been mowed down with a huge scythe.<br><br>Eyewitnesses of the phenomenon in the woods of the Khabarovsk region say that the incident reminded mysterious crop circles in the USA, although in Russia it occurred in the woods, not on a farm field. To crown it all, specialists found numerous dead birds there, presumably crows.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/97/385/15768_trees.html">english.pravda.ru/acciden...trees.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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