"CREDO MUTWA :On Alien Abduction & Reptilians"

by **dbeach** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:15 pm

This post is to clarify bout reptillian "Legend" from Mutwa whom was the African who provided David Icke the Zulu info about the reptilians... ItS also in Tales from the Time loop by Icke <a href="http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html">www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html</a> Great Zulu Shaman and Elder CREDO MUTWA On Alien Abduction & Reptilians A Rare, Astonishing Conversation 9/30/99 by Rick Martin By Permission from The SPECTRUM newspaper's Front Page story! September 1999 To order The SPECTRUM call (877) 280-2866. www.spectrumnews10.com It has often been said that the Native Elders of any given tribe hold the keys to knowledge. This statement has never been more clearly confirmed than in the recent interview I had the great privilege to conduct with Zulu “Sanusi” (Shaman) Credo Mutwa, now nearing eighty years of age. Through the efforts and assistance of David Icke, I was able to establish contact with Dr. Johan Joubert, who graciously coordinated with Credo Mutwa, thus allowing the interview to take place by telephone, literally half-way around the world in South Africa. We at The SPECTRUM would like to convey our deepest appreciation to both David Icke and to Dr. Joubert for their selfless efforts at getting this man’s Truth out to the world. I first heard about Credo Mutwa five years ago, only at that time it didn’t seem possible to speak with him directly by telephone, as he lives in a somewhat remote area with no phone. When I heard from David Icke that he had spent time with Credo Mutwa and that he would be willing to speak with The SPECTRUM, well, that’s all it took. Through the wonder of the international telephone lines, on August 13 we had what turned out to be a 4-hour session! And no, we are not about to pare it down to “sound bite” size. The words he has spoken will appear completely and in full context, as is our usual policy-a matter of respect for the speaker as well as simply being good, honest journalism! Credo Mutwa is a man whom David Icke describes as: “The most amazing and knowledgeable man it has been my privilege and honor to call a friend, a genius.” After speaking with Credo Mutwa, I couldn’t agree more. I would like to comment that Credo Mutwa, while not a man of formal education, was kind enough and conscientious enough to spell all of the Zulu or African words, proper names, etc. for this article. Those of you who may be African scholars will find this level of accuracy more advantageous to your research than will the average reader, however such care taken by Credo is yet another facet of his honesty and precision. If Credo Mutwa: The Zulu people, who are famous as a warrior people, the people to whom King Shaka Zulu, of the last century, belonged. When you ask a South African White anthropologist what the name of Zulu means, he will say it means “the sky” (laughter), and therefore the Zulu call themselves “people of the sky”. That, sir, is non-sense. In the Zulu language, our name for the sky, the blue sky, is sibakabaka. Our name for inter-planetary space, however, is izulu and the weduzulu, which means “inter-planetary space, the dark sky that you see with stars in it every night”, also has to do with traveling, sir. The Zulu word for traveling at random, like a nomad or a gypsy, is izula. Now, you can see that the Zulu people in South Africa were aware of the fact that you can travel through space-not through the sky like a bird-but you can travel through space, and the Zulus claim that many, many thousands of years ago there arrived, out of the skies, a race of people who were like lizards, people who could change shape at will. And people who married their daughters to a walking (extraterrestrial), and produced a power race of Kings and tribal Chiefs, there are hundreds of fairy-tales, sir, in which a lizard female assumes the identity of a human princess and poses as her, and gets married to a Zulu Prince. Every school child in South Africa, sir, knows about the story of a princess called Khombecansini. Khombecansini was to have married a handsome Prince called Kakaka, a name which means “the enlightened one”. Now, one day while Khombecansini was gathering firewood in the bush, she met a creature called an Imbulu. And this Imbulu was a lizard which has the body and the limbs of a human being, but a long tail. And this lizard spoke to Princess Khombecansini, “Oh, how beautiful you are, girl, I wish I could be like you. I wish I could look like you. Can I come close to you?” said the Imbulu lizard woman to the princess.

by **rain** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:32 am

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/mesopotamia_gallery_02.shtml">www.bbc.co.uk/history/anc...y_02.shtml</a> <a href="http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IRAQ/dbfiles/objects/9.htm">oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IRAQ/d...ects/9.htm</a> <a href="http//www.cassiopaea.org/cass/monster.htm">ww.cassiopaea.org/cass/monster.htm</a> <a href="http://andrewcollins.com/page/articles/ashes/ashespreview_three.html">andrewcollins.com/page/ar...three.html</a>

by **toscaveritas** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:29 pm

rain thank you for those links! Fantastic! especially the last one! I did some googling and found this <a href="http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantsa2.html">www.burlingtonnews.net/giantsa2.html</a> very interesting indeed Soviet researchers have offered new evidence that Indo-European originated in an area known as Anatolia, which is now part of Turkey, and from there spread throughout Europe and the sub-Continent. <a href="http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~jmatthew/articles/mothertongue.html">faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~jmat...ongue.html</a> same area!

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:42 pm

The prebible history as depicted in 'Forbiddden History' by Doug Kenyon shows how the current scientific community is quite entrenched and very conservative..suggesting Atlantis or any related folk lore is a big risk and it disrupts the status quo..But now many more are speaking out and saying this simple concept "Legend is based on Fact" and more questons beg to be asked about the origens of humanity.. What is the reptilain brian..? why so named? what is its function?? "With the re-dating of the Great Sphinx in particular, there is now too much evidence to deny that at the end of the last Ice Age a high culture existed in this world. Where these people came from is completely unknown. Some might suggest Atlantis, others will say they came from the skies, but to be honest we simply do not know. What is far more important is that we take each step at a time, and stick to hard facts, in the hope that this time the whole world will share in these greatest revelations of our time.'

by **toscaveritas** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:49 pm

THE REPTILIAN BRAIN by James M. Ridgway, Jr <a href="http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r101999b.shtml">www.reptilianagenda.com/r...999b.shtml</a> Added to the StarNet Community Editorial Page on January 22, 1997 All social issues, good or bad, are in the end dependent upon man's reptilian brain. The so called reptilian brain is the oldest, most primative region of our gray matter. It is the aggression-survival center of our existance. The basic ruling emotions of love, hate, fear, lust, and contentment emanate from this first stage of the brain. Over millions of years of evolution, layers of more sophisticated reasoning have been added upon this foundation-- our intellectual capacity for complex rational thought which has made us theoretically smarter than the rest of the animal kingdom. When we are out of control with rage, it is our reptilian brain overriding our rational brain components. If someone says that they reacted with their heart instead of their head. What they really mean is that they conceded to their primative emotions (the reptilian brain based) as opposed to the calculations of the rational part of the brain. While the more modern, sophisticated parts of the brain get to do all the really complex day-to-day thinking, it is still the antiquated reptilian part that rules the roost. Politicians, preachers, and ad men know this, and always aim their words at our emotions, not at our intellect to get their message across. The scary thing about the reptilian brain is that it has no concept of good or evil. It simply demands action of some kind. It will not tolerate a void of inactivity. If it can not find an outlet for creative action, it will push relentlessly for destructive action, and if neither is possible it then begins pressuring for self-destruction. Thus mankind as a whole, and individuals as well, oscillate between war and other murderous impulses and peaceful building and harmony. At times when there is no perceived outlet for constructive activity, especially among the young and the old, and a strong conscience is blocking a destructive outlet, severe depression will take hold of a being in this suspened state of activity, pushing the victim insufferably toward suicide. Thus conscience can keep one pure and honest, yet under the wrong conditions it can also push one over the edge. The classic example of the reptilian brain in action can be seen at work in that evilest of all evil men of the twentieth century, Adolph Hitler. At first Hitler had strong creative impulses to be an artist. However, when he applied to the established schools of art he was judged (perhaps more because he did not have the right social connections) to lack the basic talent for acceptance. Hitler's dreams were crushed. During the next several years he wondered the streets of Austria and Germany, at time a wholly destitute person whom some historians claim made at least nineteen attempts at suicide. On one nearly successful attempt, ironically, he was prevented from self-destruction by members of a jewish family. Eventually, as we all know, blocked from positive pursuits and having failed at suicide, Hitler discovered the Nazi party and his reptilian brain got its way in a destructive orgy that took out himself and over 60,000,000 others of his species, and left much of Europe in ashes. From the glories of our poets and healers to the criminals and killers who terrorize our streets and homes, all are powered by the reptilian brain. If the reptilian brain is the furnace of our actions, then the male hormone, testosterone, is like gasoline upon that fire. This is why over the millenniums men have been far more creative and destructive than women. (Sorry politically correct group.) Of course, as we know, men are physically most active when their testosterone level peaks in their early twenties. Thus with their reptilian brain fired up by testosterone at its maximum craving for action in their late teens and early twenties, warriors, athletes and gang bangers reach their leatal zenith at this stage of life. Now the point of this exercise is that the reptilian brain is not about to give up its hold on mankind in the next few million years or so, even if we could survive without it, which is most likely an impossibility. In any event, it is important that in all our political and social endeavors, legislators, aministrators, business and religious leaders, and the public at large, be fully aware of how what they intend might impact the reptilian brain. Will it create unintended pockets where positive action is blocked, leading to a whole array of destructive forces being unleashed, or will it allow for activities that, while perhaps not ideally suited to every interest, will at least minimize the destructive potential? To know the solution, one must first understand the problem. The reptilian brain has forever been the curse and the salvation of mankind. It is ignored at great peril.

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:52 pm

"To know the solution, one must first understand the problem. The reptilian brain has forever been the curse and the salvation of mankind. It is ignored at great peril. " Well if we are the children of reptiles ..I have seen some mighy FINE lookin ones in my tenure at da beach..which reminds me...

by **Starman** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:24 pm

INteresting post -- I need to spend more time reading the accompanying links -- fascinating topic. This might be a good thread to include the following article I found (blogspot where several 'regular' RI posters have been seen) that discusses Icke's concept of Alien Reptile shape-shifters in terms of a media virus or socially-constructed archetype -- a fascinating topic in its own right. As I get it, basically the premise is that a media virus is a way of imagining or talking about (or otherwise realizing) a 'deeper' reality than what is 'allowed' by social conventions (ie., taboos), or even by an inadequate level of ideational complexity. Well, it's Tim Boucher's article, he does a better job of analyzing this concept than I can with a few words. I think there's a compelling notion there which I've seen expounded on in various forms by a good number of authors, esp. Vallee, and as relates to consistent 'themes' found across different cultures and even times. Oddly (or not) this concept of media viruses also relates to aspects of Paul Levy's article on Malignant Egophrenia as a kind of 'field disease' that manifests symptoms and ideas as expressed symbols of inner states and 'models' that have inordinate influence in propagating the disease -- making its delusions 'real'. So I guess the thing is, that there's a kind of link between inner psychic states and the 'ordinary' world in the form of a powerful 'media virus' or meme. Boucher's website has additional poster commentary that's worth checking-out IMO. Starman <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> *** <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/17/reptilians-as-disinformation/">www.timboucher.com/journa...formation/</a> Reptilians as Disinformation? by Tim Boucher David Icke is weird. Let’s just get that straight up front. He’s the guy who all but single-handedly brought the concept of reptilian shape-shifters into otherwise “sensible” conspiracy theory. In doing this, there are many people who claim that he’s done the field a disservice by obscuring real and tangible problems and grievances with basically nonsensical claims about non-human entities posing as humans. People in the anti-Icke camp seem to frequently put forward the theory that he is actually a disinformation agent in the employ of “the bad guys” whose sole purpose is to infiltrate and implode conspiracy circles by completely discrediting them in the eyes of the public. These same people tend to forget, of course, that it takes pretty much NOTHING to discredit conspiracy theories for your average schmoe. They already have been enculturated to basically ignore any and everything which doesn’t fit with the prevailing worldview. That’s not to say of course that Icke definitively is not one of the bad guys; I mean, who the hell knows? What I’m more curious about is his tactics from a symbolic standpoint. In my estimation, David Icke is one of those people who seems to thrive on this whole “Prophet, or MADMAN?” brand identity. Like there’s an aspect about him which is totally serious, and then another that it almost seems like he’s issuing a (commonly missed) challenge to realize that even he is full of bullshit. Robert Anton Wilson is another person who really identifies with this image. The problem with treading a line like this though is that it’s easy to fall into the abyss below. To me, both Icke and RAW tend to do that, sometimes more and sometimes less. The interesting thing with Icke, I think, is that he’s become virtual synonymous with this “reptilian shape-shifter” idea. There’s just about no separating it from him. RAW always tried to stay much more nimble, never pinning himself down to one specific methodology (which in and of itself eventually becomes a methodology, of course). Anyway, in the many discussion of Icke’s reptilians, I’ve never once seen anybody even suggest for the briefest moment that maybe Icke is using a mythological symbol, rather than a hard fact. What I’m saying is that maybe he’s not a madman or a nincompoop. Maybe he’s playing a very clever game with archetypes. Either consciously or not, maybe he realized we already have a really deeply ingrained symbol of evil in Western culture: the serpent and the dragon. And maybe by tapping into this deep deep well of imagery and legend, he’s able to make a semiotic short-hand connection between this idea of “ultimate evil” and the crooked men and women who are running the affairs of the world into the ground. Just like I don’t see the gnostic idea of “archons” necessarily as being these physically real beings, maybe what Icke is trying to do is grab hold of the idea of “inhumanity”. Maybe he just figured out a way to sort of give it a “brand name.” So this way when some ruler is exposed for doing something totally fucked up, people can think “Oh, what reptilian behavior! A real person could never behave like that.” Maybe what he’s trying to highlight is the fundamental difference between what each of us knows as the value of human life, and the current strain of sociopathic leaders. The obvious counter-argument is: If he’s just playing a sort of trick to make people realize something, wouldn’t it just be more effective to come out and actually just say all that? If you’ve ever read any of his writing, he pretty much does say all that, and much more. I’ve never seen him tip his hand about whether he invented the reptilian angle as sort of a “useful fiction” or not though. I don’t expect I will see it. The point I’m trying to make though is perhaps Icke has released what Douglas Rushkoff calls a “media virus“: essentially an idea which itself would never get replicated in the media because it was counter-cultural or had some other kind of agenda. By wrapping this message in a “viral shell” - in this case “Leaders are reptilian aliens” - the message gets picked up and replicated precisely because it doesn’t fit right. It seems stupid or crazy or naive. But once that message then does get replicated, it “injects it’s DNA” into the cultural dialogue. Here’s a site that has a great quote from Rushkoff on the topic: Media viruses exploit our repressed thoughts and energies … They are the hidden agendas of our popular culture–the closeted issues we have become too oppressive (or too politically correct?) to discuss in the light of day. If we are afraid to face spousal brutality, we get John Bobbit. Afraid of interracial marriage? O.J. An absolute monarchy? Camilla-gate. Child abuse? Michael Jackson. Disillusion of motherhood? Susan Smith. Media viruses [such as Heaven’s Gate] present us, in cartoonish simplicity and amplification, with the unspoken issues of our cultural present. They crystallize for us our diffused ambiguities so that we may discuss them in the safety of the ‘third person.’ They are like dreams and … tend to present us with the most pressing issues of our collective psychic shadow. Ufologist Jacques Vallee also has a great quote on how things that are “absurd” have a way of getting past the rational mind and affecting deeper layers directly. Talking about the phenomenon of UFO encounters, he says: Its characteristic feature is a constant factor of absurdity that leads to a rejection of the story by the upper layers of the target society and an absorbtion at a deep unconscious level of the symbols conveyed by the encounter. It’s basically a fancy way of saying “trojan horse”. But in this case, instead of soldiers coming out of a wooden horse, we have a bunch of ideas about the inhumanity and unworthiness of our rulers coming out of a giant wooden reptilian alien. *** Non-Human Entities <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/06/07/non-human-entities/">www.timboucher.com/journa...-entities/</a> Alien-Archon Connection <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/05/the-archon-alien-connection/">www.timboucher.com/journa...onnection/</a> Alien Encyclopedia and Related Topics <a href="http://www.geocities.com/s75j88w68/7.html">www.geocities.com/s75j88w68/7.html</a>

by **Avalon** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I would like to comment that Credo Mutwa, while not a man of formal education, was kind enough and conscientious enough to spell all of the Zulu or African words, proper names, etc. for this article. <hr></blockquote> Is this writer a user of the linguistic version of "one, two many"? There's the Zulu language and the rest you just wave your hand at breezily and call them all "African"? Or is he sub-literate enough not to realize that Afrikaans is what Credo Mutwa would also be likely to speak?

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:59 pm

sorry he is a zulu shaman who happens to dwell in Africa..was in a tad of a hurrry and I do apologize.. just wanted to invset his wisdom into the topic..

by **Avalon** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:35 pm

I think it's great that Credo Mutwa was spelling things for the reporter, that's no problem. It's just that Rick Martin seems to be clueless about the difference between the adjective African (as if it were a language "the Africans" speak) and Afrikaans. And if he's that ignorant, he shouldn't be writing about anything connected with Africa til he's ready to do it without training wheels.

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:39 pm

problem with flower gardens ..is ya sift through a lotta manure... we take our TRUTHS from whomever ..as long as they add at least a lil to the TRUTH SEARCH.. let us have the flowers and the controllers can ..well ya catch my drift.. HEY jimmy olson was a good cub reporteer.. no relation to teddy olson..

by **Avalon** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:28 pm

If there's manure, that must mean there's a pony around here somewhere! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:57 pm

yeh.the pony was born in CT moved to TX and resides in the WH..sure smells too..like the stink when a nation dies..all cuz of one pony and his masters... messing all over the remnants of Lady Liberty..

by **Sweejak** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:08 pm

Maybe. 4.5 meg .swf page <a href="http://www.starchild-uk.com/Starchild-NewData.swf">www.starchild-uk.com/Star...ewData.swf</a> <img src="http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/713/starchildcomp8id.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Probably not what "Intelligent Design" had in mind: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/darwinism.1.html <blockquote>Quote:<hr>An overlooked explanation for why the fossil record shows primitive and complex life appearing suddenly on Earth, with no predecessors, is extraterrestrial intervention.<hr></blockquote>

by **dbeach** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:21 pm

Sweejak i did flip a few pages and think similar..Maybe we had creation in some distant and remote galaxy and somehow navigated our way to this galaxy cuz it semed safer,friendlier so to speak..maybe we saw the food chain..no not at mcdonalds i mean maybe earth was a big ole lush garden..we were all really hungry so we said hit the brakes ..this is home and we been here ever since..trying to figure out how did we get here??? so we are the aliens and the aliens if they do exist are some of our more distant relatives..You know the kinda relatives that don't get invitations cuz they are anti-social?? or whatever..break the china..steal the silverware..drink too much?? just some thoughts on a hot summer nite

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