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I've been reading Stargate Conspiracy. It doesn't make me happy. No warm and fuzzies from reading THIS book.<br><br>And the really scary part is that I think the authors have not even seen the whole picture. <br><br>The book is about, primarily, the "Nine", an alleged group of entities channeled by various people who lay out a mythology involving "Altea", Atlantis, Egypt and the role of extra terrestrials in human affairs. As many on this site know, the "Nine" has had quite an influence in the US and England.<br><br>I didn't know, for example, that Richard Hoagland was basically following messages of the Nine when positing all his various theories, as were others in his "Enterprise Mission." <br><br>The book shows how this mythology of the Nine has found it's way deep into our society and high up the food chain, with politicians and heavyweight scientists signing on. A lot of the message of the nine, in fact, is part of the mythology that I see popping up in Heinberg, for example. And if there isn't a connection between his cult, the Emissaries of Divine Light, and the Nine, I'll eat my hat.<br><br>Here's what's kinda scary. The Nine were channeled by DIFFERENT folks, but what they all had in common was interaction with and HYPNOTISM by a guy named Puharich. Puharich, in turn, has ALL kinds of connections to MKULTRA style programs. In addition, he had a little community for awhile in which allegedly psychically gifted CHILDREN were being hypnotized by him and living on the premises. <br><br>And with one of the channelers being a Scientologist, and with connections to Einhorn and est and all kinds of New Age madness, it gets VERY deep, VERY quick.<br><br>So Puharich is at the center and there are all kinds of intelligence links to this stuff, primarily through SRI that had so much overlap with Nine followers. While the book suggests that the intel games and Puharich as "central programmer" theme can't explain ALL the bizareness, it sure explains a lot. <br><br>What this suggests is that there is, in fact, not only an attempt to push various new age themes (primarily the impending cataclysm and redemption by aliens into a Golden Age) but that part of the agenda consists of programming people to be a part of it all through hypnotism and psychedelics and probably far less savory methods. It's quite clear in the book that this is going on. <br><br>And take the case of Jack Sarfatti who was called by a "computer from the future" when he was a kid telling him he had a special role to play when he grew up to be a scientist. At almost the same time, he gets put into a gifted program arranged by one of the followers of the Nine. So, most likely, they were the ones behind the calls. Interestingly, when Sarfatti was asked about this possibility, he agreed it was possible and suggested that Puharich would have been capable of pulling it off.<br><br>It seems to me that Whitley Strieber, who also remembers a "special school" may be a victim of this (if he's not a hoaxer.) Many believe him to be sincere, but I think he is connected to Hoagland and is generally in the sphere of influence of the NINE (not much on him so far in the book, so we'll see.)<br><br>Add to this the theory that "alien abductions" are often simply the work of intel agencies grabbing folks and hypnotizing them (evidently one project Puharich was working on was the programming of false memories into "amnesiacs") and then this story that the aliens are about to return and a catastrophe is coming gets put out in all kinds of places. <br><br>I don't have the book in front of me, but by tracking funding, especially from SRI, you can see that folks like John Mack, who was one of the ones who gave alien abduction serious consideration (as it should be given) and did the most to popularize the underlying message of these abductions, are also within this orbit.<br><br>It's really pretty frightening.<br><br>Once I've finished, I'll be happy to fill in more of the specific connections, but usually, when I say "connected" I don't mean covertly funded...I mean, flat out openly working with. The book comments on several folks who seem to be able to keep their "kooky" Nine spirituality separate from their academic work, even when their academic work (mainly on Egypt) is directly informed by, and indeed is designed to support, the myths of the Nine. <br><br>The book has not yet come to a conclusion of exactly what the agenda is, but they are quite clear that it is to try to shape on a global scale a new religion for some purpose or other. The authors actually feel that some real extra-dimensional entities are somehow part of this, but that the actual message of the Nine is B.S.<br><br>By the way, as to the message, if you want to know what it is, just go to that Cassiopeia site we mentioned in another thread. Their message is the message of the Nine. It is exactly the same. Alteans...blacks as the only indigenous (non-interbred with aliens) race, Atlantis, Egypt...etc. <br><br>In fact "Alteans", a people NOT mentioned in much of the mythology we've been looking at, is pretty much an indicator of under the influence of the Nine.<br><br>With that in mind, it's interesting to note that, though I don't think I've proved a direct connection, you have George Soros (or a University funded by him at least) showing great interest in a scientist who becomes part of the Cassiopeia team. I don't know that Cassiopeia has much influence anywhere, but the point is that this message gets put out in all kinds of different places. <br><br>I think it is QUITE clear that Puharich was a central figure and was ACTIVELY programming people to either be channelers of this message or believers in this message. He probably also implanted all kinds of other messages and if you think this is starting to sound a bit like the RA stuff, you are right. One of the channelers of the Nine even went so far to say that a small number of "special people" have been implanted somehow so that they do not follow their own will. I mean, why not just put it on a billboard?<br><br>Interestingly, the authors make use of the SRA phenomenon to show how false memories can be implanted, and dismiss all of it outright. That's too bad, because Puharich's little commune wherein he's openly hypnotizing and programming children would suggest that maybe much of the SRA activity is not what it seems, it may very well be that some victims are simply getting the same treatment. In fact, Puharich actually did some work for the Atomic Energy Commission, specifically studying the affects of radiation. Many of you will know that hearings on the illegal radiation experiments on unwitting victims (usually children) also produced testimony from a therapist and an alleged MC victim which stated that many of the folks doing the radiation testing were also involved in using children for mind control experiments. So I'd suggest that Puharich's involvement with Atomic Energy Commission programs was more likely involved in programming children, since, you know...HE WAS PROGRAMMING CHILDREN. <br><br>Sorry for no links and some vague details. I'm still reading the book and don't have time to go step by step. The bottom line is that I'm now convinced that there is both a systemic attempt by intelligence agencies to bring about a new religious perspective to support some likely unpleasant goals and that there is actual evidence that widespread hypnosis and "programming" of adults and children were utilized to support this goal.<br><br>I'd add that many of the cults of the 20th century were/are being used for part of this agenda as well. <br><br>Oh, and I still have a little less than half the book to go. <br><br>And then Peter Levenda's book to follow.<br><br>finally, I'd say that SO FAR, concerning Stargate Conspiracy, I've seen nothing that compels me to accept an "extra-terrestrial" participation in all of this. Levenda will get into more high weirdness, but in Stargate, I think dirty tricks/hypnosis/programming/psychedelic substances can explain everything I've read so far. <br><br>That said, I don't really find that much comfort. Do you? <p></p><i></i>

We've heard of some of this stuff for a while. We (Dragon and I) have been down the rabbit hole a long time (he's older than I am, but I was a recalcitrant m-kid.) --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

I may be getting too tinfoil, but there was an item on Slashdot this morning that set off my radar:<br><br>"Once neglected, the NY Times reports that America's smartest children have become the beneficiaries of a <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20prodigies.html?ex=1290142800&en=c48d9062e20f48b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss">well-organized effort to recognize their gifts and develop their talent</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. Programs like those offered by the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ditd.org/">Davidson Institute</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, run by Bob and Jan Davidson of Math and Reading Blaster fame, have sprung up to nurture the intellectual development of profoundly intelligent young people. But do we know how to identify the child whose brilliance might change the world? And do we really want to?"<br><br>The Davidson's may be perfectly benign -- goodness knows, gifted kids need something better than what the public school system generally offers them. But as somebody who suffered through more than my own share of gifted education with very little to show for it, I'm fairly skeptical about the whole approach. And I'm willing to bet that when I get around to wading through the entire ten-part New York Times article, I'll find more than one joker in the pack.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Oh please, tell me it doesn't end in "Christian Redemption" or somthing like that. I will be very interested in your analysis, please continue. If the book is that good I may have to get it also...<br> How about some links for further details? <p></p><i></i>

Egads! This just occurred to me: In middle school/junior high, between the ages 11-13, I was placed in an after-school "talented and gifted" program. It was referred to as "TAG". There were 3 main subjects on the curriculum: <br>1. Learning about Egyptian hieroglyphics;<br>2. Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle; and<br>3. Theatre studies, sets, actors, backstage tours, props etc...<br><br>It's elementary, my dears. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Perhaps this is a good place to recruit the brains on this board to ask how victims of RA/MC can form a data pool/website or any space that can host information and help validate experiences, names, faces, affairs, organizations, and places. THis has to be an international pool, because most of these "rings" are international, in terms of locations and participants. <br>This kind of exchange is what all victims are looking for, and never find. It has to be a secure website, responsibly managed and legally safe from defamation/liable/privacy claims.<br>Any ideas ?<br><br>Its not just my questions, there are a few of us on the board who have been wanting to raise the issue. Since "Stargate" seems to be raising real names and affairs, it follows as a good thread to raise this question. For instance, if I wanted to pick up on the book and raise some of the information I have related to these programs, would it be safe to do it with names and all, considering laws of defamation and the possibiliyt of this information being abused by the wrong people ? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

It's funny you say that. I kid you not that some of the materials are flattering to Jews, considering them a special part of the plan but then go on to say that they should have accepted Jesus. Seriously. <br><br>As for the Davidsons. Well, Bob Davidson used to be executive vice president of engineering and construction at Parsons Corporation. founded by Ralph (not Jack as I first thought...same last name, both headquartered in Pasadena). Here's the center for public integrity on Parsons. Might want to hang onto that tinfoil hat a bit longer, though Bob had another job before getting into the school stuff...in fact he owned the company that bought Blizzard, a video game company. Still, he started at Parsons:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Parsons Corp.<br>100 West Walnut Street<br>Pasadena, CA 91124<br>Phone: (626) 440-2000<br>Fax: (626) 440-2630<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.parsons.com">www.parsons.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Profile<br>Company Principals<br>Board of Directors<br>Contract History<br>Political Contributions<br>Updates<br>Background<br><br>Parsons is owned by its approximately 9,000 employees. The global design and engineering firm had revenue of more than $2.4 billion in 2002.<br><br>Company founder Ralph Parsons, an aeronautical engineer, was one of the founding members of the pioneering engineering company Bechtel-McCone-Parsons Corp. in the 1930s. Parsons sold his shares in that company and started his own engineering firm—the Ralph M. Parsons Co.—in 1944. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Partner John McCone later went on to head the CIA.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Today, Parsons is a leader in many diverse markets such as infrastructure, transportation, advanced technologies, telecommunications, aviation, commercial, environmental, planning, industrial manufacturing, pharmaceuticals and homeland security. Parsons provides technical and management solutions to federal, regional and local government agencies as well as private industries worldwide.<br><br>Since the 1980s, the company has been destroying chemical weapons for the U.S. military. When regulations were changed to ban the incineration of such weapons, Parsons developed a new process involving steam. Parsons has also worked on numerous civilian projects, including bridges, rapid transportation systems, and even the restoration of the Florida Everglades.<br><br>Parsons is no stranger to the Middle East or to the oil and gas industry. The company was in the process of building a subway system in Baghdad in 1990 but had to abandon the job when the first Gulf War broke out. Parsons built oil wells and power systems in Kuwait in the 1960s and then won contracts to go back and rebuild those facilities following the 1991 Gulf War. The company also did extensive rebuilding work in Bosnia.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In 1996, then Parsons Chairman and CEO Len Pieroni perished in the same plane crash in Bosnia that killed Commerce Secretary Ron Brown.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Current Chairman and CEO James McNulty took over the reins of the company after the accident.<br>Iraq contracts<br><br>In August 2003, Parsons was awarded an $89 million contract to help destroy captured enemy weapons from the Iraq War. Parsons was one of four contractors chosen to perform the work. In Iraq, Parsons will "perform engineering, management, contract administration, and logistics support to three ordnance contractors at various sites," according to a company press release. The company will set up and run an office in Baghdad, and send employees to all of the ordnance-processing sites. Four task orders direct the companies involved in the effort to disarm Iraq to "collect captured enemy munitions from U.S. military personnel, determine whether the munitions are serviceable or unserviceable, and destroy selected munitions. The remainder will be stockpiled under U.S. control until further disposition is determined," Parsons said in the press release.<br><br>In July 2003, Parsons and Australia-based Worley Corp. submitted a proposal to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to repair and restore Iraq's oil infrastructure, a job previously awarded to Halliburton Corp. on a sole-source basis. Parsons has been working continuously in the Middle East on oil and infrastructure projects since the 1940s. Among its many notable projects in the area is the ongoing redesign and restoration program for the Kuwait Oil Company—a contract issued to Parsons following the first Gulf war. That proposal is pending.<br>Government ties<br><br>Chairman and CEO James McNulty served in U.S. Army for 24 years, retiring with the rank of colonel, in 1988 when he joined Parsons' Washington office. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>While in the Army, McNulty was a program director in the Pentagon's "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative program.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Adm. R.J. Zlatoper, a director at Parsons, is the former commander-in-chief of the U.S. Navy's Pacific Fleet.<br><br>President and COO Frank A. DeMartino was deputy chief of staff for engineering and services at the U.S. Air Force Air Training Command before joining Parsons.<br><br>Gen. Earnest Robbins, vice president and manager, Infrastructure and Technology Group, put in 34 years with the Air Force, retiring as a major general before joining Parsons. His most recent assignments with the military included responsibility for all infrastructure, housing, environmental programs, and emergency services as the Command Civil Engineer at Air Combat Command headquarters and Air Force Space Command. In the four years preceding his retirement he was the Air Force Civil Engineer, the senior officer responsible for plans, programs and budgets in support of more than 70,000 military and civilian engineering personnel and contractors worldwide, with an annual budget in excess of $8 billion. He has testified before many congressional hearings in support of Air Force facility and infrastructure issues.<br><br>Before joining Parsons in September 2003, Karen Kimball, the business development director for Parsons' Systems, Defense and Security Division, served as chief of staff to U.S. DOE Assistant Secretary David Garman, Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Before that she was a staffer at the Energy and Environment Subcommittee of the Committee on Science, U.S. House of Representatives. She had earlier served as staffer for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.<br><br>Chuck Kuzma, director of Major Programs, Parsons' Defense Sector Division, spent 20 years in the Navy before joining Parsons in September 2003. Parsons says while in the Navy Kuzma was "responsible for the supervision of several thousand personnel, as well as the oversight, delivery, and commissioning of multiple, concurrent major acquisition shipbuilding construction programs, each exceeding hundreds of millions of dollars."<br><br>Before joining Parsons in September 2003, Willie Clark III, vice president of its Energy Sector for Infrastructure and Technology Unit, put in 21 years at the Energy Department, serving most recently as director of the Office of Project Management and Systems Support for the National Nuclear Security Administration. He was responsible for developing NNSA policy and procedures for project baselines. As a senior executive director in NNSA, he served as the point of contact on project management issues with congressional staff, the Defense Nuclear Facility Safety Board and the National Research Council.<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=44">www.publicintegrity.org/w...mp;ddlC=44</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Mark Herron serves on the board of the Davidson Institute also served for 12 year with Parsons Corporation. Much of the board of the Institute is also on the Board of "The Davidson Group" which is the "investment arm of the Davidson Family. They own "AcquireX" a software company and the board is listed here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="https://www.acquirex.com/boardOfDirectorsBio.asp">/www.acquirex.com/boardOf...orsBio.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It may simply be that he's sincere. It may also be only slightly more nefarious in that he's helping scitech industries scout future talent. <br><br>He was also a director of Pepperdine..a VERY conservative university.<br><br>And just a little tangent about Parsons Corp...at least ONE employee is hooked into "the Nine".<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>JIM ERJAVIC<br><br>Jim is a Geologist and Computer/Geographic Information System Analyst with over 20 years experience in those fields.<br><br>Currently working with Parsons Corporation as an environmental geologist and Geographic Information System analyst in the characterization and restoration of a DepartmentOfEnergy Superfund Site in southwestern Ohio.<br><br>Jim is a specialist in mapping and computer graphics. He developed an extensive geomorphic feature map of the Cydonia region to assist in the establishment of a geologic baseline for continued studies.<br><br>He has written several papers connecting Martian surface features as evidence of water-based processes, erosion and sedimentation on Mars. He is a founding member of the Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR).<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.martianrevelation.com/radio55.html">www.martianrevelation.com/radio55.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Remember, the entire Cydonia project was "guided" by the Nine.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

My query regarding a pool of information for victims of RA was <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>not specifically</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> with regards to Israel/Jews, rather everyone. <br>-------------------------------<br>you mentioned the book talks about Jews being a <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>special part of the plan but then go on to say that they should have accepted Jesus. Seriously.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>This is precisely the philosophy of the christian right and born again people that Bush hangs out with, right ? so, not surprising these ideas would be common among the sorcerers of this group. Without knowing a whole lot about nazi occultism, it rings a bell (Egypt, special role of Jews, prgoramming of kids etc.). Needless to reiterate that these people have representatives in Israel, in high places, diguised as regular patriotic Israeli ZIonists. under them, a host of ambitious people who just served them for perks and prestige, which is usually the case. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 1996, then Parsons Chairman and CEO Len Pieroni perished in the same plane crash in Bosnia that killed Commerce Secretary Ron Brown.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>That's a weird one. Ron Brown is, to my knowledge, the only person of any note whatsoever to have graduated from the elementary school for the gifted that I attented. That's a large part of the reason for my disillusionment with "gifted education" -- not merely that it didn't do me much good, but that it seems to have been so unsuccessful at producing outstanding people in general.<br><br>Probably just a coincidence. Still . . . it's weird.<br> <p></p><i></i>

IR, <br><br>my post about the "Jews" was not to you...it was in reply to the question about "does it end with Christian redemption" or whatever. <br><br>I'd like to see the MC database you speak of. Wish I had the time and $$ to do it myself...it's a big project. <br><br>I've found a collection of the books which comprise many of the "channelings" of the Nine, for those interested.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/the931/">www.geocities.com/the931/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And yes, the site is called "the eye of horus". Dedicated to Puharich and compiling two of the books with info channeled from the Nine and also his book Uri and another book I don't know anything about.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Fuller collection by the same guy here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://hoova.homestead.com/bd_info.html">hoova.homestead.com/bd_info.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Hoovans are one of the alien races that settled the planet according to the nine.)<br><br>Interestingly, this guy who puts up this site is Israeli, or says he is. <p></p><i></i>

ooops sorry, whenever i see the word "jew" i take it personally. go on..ignore that comment. <p></p><i></i>

I am working on a long overdue website update for an mc survivor advocacy organization. My contact was interested in creating just such a data pool.<br><br>As soon as I have some infrastructure in place, I'll post it here, and we'll see what we get.<br><br>It's a lot of work just putting the site together, and it's all volunteer. It's going to take me awhile.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

...they didn't have any programs for really smart kids when I was in grade school so they left me the hell alone to read what I wanted to read and pursue my own interests, which is what really smart people do anyway. <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Remember, the entire Cydonia project was "guided" by the Nine.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>You've lost me there, Dreams End. What are you trying to say? What "entire Cydonia project"? What "guided"?<br><br>I'm not sure where my copy of Stargate Conspiracy has wandered to, but I do recall that the authors were pretty dismissive of Richard Hoagland. For that reason alone I took what they said about him with a pinch of salt when I read it a couple of years ago. <br><br>Yes, there are some good reasons to be wary of RCH. But the SG writers didn't appear to have a very nuanced or informed perspective on The Enterprise Mission. Take their calling the Myers and Percy <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Two Thirds</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> an "extraordinary work." It's extraordinary all right -- an extraodinary piece of crap, and totally unreadable (other than the illustrations, which are genuinely provovative). Good for propping large doors open, I suppose, or crushing pit vipers found heading for the baby's pram.<br><br>To the best of my knowledge Hoagland has never been asked publicly about The Nine, or mentioned them on his own. While Picknett and Prince may make provocative accusations, they don't make their case.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>