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From <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.deuceofclubs.com/write/ufo.htm" target="top">www.deuceofclubs.com/write/ufo.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Spacecraft or Lovecraft?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The Puzzling Nature of UFOs<br><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;">First published in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Planet Magazine</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, 24 Oct 1995</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>These Great Old Ones...were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape...but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky.... When, after infinities of chaos, the first men came, the Great Old Ones spoke to the sensitive among them by molding their dreams; for only thus could Their language reach the fleshy minds of mammals. - H. P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"<br><br>And they taught them charms and enchantments...and they bear great giants, whose height was three thousand ells, who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them, and devoured mankind. - Book of Enoch, VII.1-4</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>A number of years ago while reading the apocryphal Book of Enoch, I came to a passage dealing with this evil angel called Semjaza. The name seemed familiar, and soon I remembered where I'd seen it before—in a book by an alleged UFO contactee (whose fraudulent UFO photos have been repeatedly debunked), who identified "Semjase" as the name of one of the extraterrestrials he claimed had visited him from the Pleiades. After that I began noticing other similarities between UFO stories and other kinds of stories. Especially interesting were the correspondences between UFOs and angels. Alleged contactee George Hunt Williamson even included in his books examples of "extraterrestrial" vocabulary words—words that turn out to be nearly identical to words from the so-called Enochian, or angelic, language used by occultists from John Dee to Aleister Crowley. <br><br>Not that this is unexplainable or coincidental: certainly Crowley's books and The Book of Enoch are exactly the sort of literature one would expect to find on the bookshelves of new age UFO author crackpots. But what is new is the degree to which crackpottery has gone mainstream: the western world is in the throes of an as-yet-unrequited love affair with both angels and UFOs. Our attitude toward UFOs mirrors that of the film Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which portrayed and encouraged the widespread belief in the existence of angelic extraterrestrial visitors and the assumption that if beings are technologically advanced, they must also be benevolent. The history of our own planet ought to show the flaw in that conclusion: the twentieth century, the most technologically advanced period in human history, has also been history's bloodiest, with at least 170 million people murdered by various governments (and that figure doesn't even include the century's 39 million war dead). In spite of the evidence to the contrary, however, great numbers of people continue to equate intelligence with goodness, and those who believe in extraterrestrial intelligence prefer to put their faith in kindly technological "visitors"—angels not from heaven but from deep space. <br><br>Might these visitors really exist?<br><br>The study of UFOs has been thus far inconclusive, plagued by hoaxes, looniness, and misinterpretations of completely natural occurrences (such as meteorological phenomena, geological phenomena, and sleep paralysis). But the phenomenon of "otherworldly" contact has been so widely spread over time and place that it would not unreasonable to believe that something real is going on—probably misinterpreted natural processes, but consistent enough in its manifestations as to make it easy to suggest the work of unknown intelligences. <br><br>Could there be visitors from outer space? It's possible, but unlikely, if the current human understanding of physics bears any relation to the nature of reality. The great distances from us to even our nearest neighboring galaxies make it highly improbable that any inhabitants—at least, any physical inhabitants—no matter how technologically adept, could ever reach us alive. But if the visitors aren't space aliens, then who or what are they supposed to be? <br><br>An intriguing hypothesis has been suggested by Jacques Vallee, the real-life model for the character of the French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and author of many books on the UFO phenomenon, such as Dimensions and Messengers of Deception. Vallee does not share Steven Spielberg's trusting view of the visitors, whom he believes are probably not visitors at all. Vallee has made a history-spanning study of stories of supernatural contact—Greco-Roman tales of sky chariots, Celtic stories of elves and fairies abducting children and mutilating animals, Joseph Smith's alleged heavenly visions, and apparitions of the Virgin Mary—and found that such experiences closely parallel the experiences of UFO contactees. It seems that the phenomenon currently known as the contactee experience is almost coeval with human culture. "UFOs have been seen throughout history and have consistently received (or provided) their own explanation within the framework of each culture," Vallee says. Stories of these visitors conform to the prevailing mythology or beliefs; the visitors become whatever we want them to be and tell us whatever we want to hear. Modern mythology having shifted from the magical to the scientific, it's only logical that popular culture now attributes such phenomena to scientifically advanced beings from space. <br><br>However believers interpret the visitor phenomenon, if there were real personages behind it, the important question would be, do they mean us ill or good? Even contactees familiar with the long history of the phenomenon and who believe the visitors are real, do not know the purpose of their milleniums-long masquerade. Whitley Streiber, alleged UFO abductee and author of several books on the subject, has even questioned the wisdom of writing about it: "What if they were dangerous? Then I was terribly dangerous because I was playing a role in acclimatizing people to them." Given the obvious willingness of the posited visitors to pretend to be whatever they think we want them to be and their capacity for calculated manipulation, how likely is it that the their intentions towards us would be benign? <br><br>Anyone familiar with the tales of H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos can easily imagine, instead of friendly alien visitors, something more along the lines of the terrible pre-human inhabitants of earth whom Lovecraft called the Great Old Ones. "All my stories," Lovecraft wrote, "are based on the fundamental lore or legend that this world was inhabited at one time by another race who, in practicing black magic, lost their foothold and were expelled, yet live on outside ever ready to take possession of this earth again." Lovecraft's Great Old Ones and Elder Gods are reminiscent of the Book of Enoch's evil angels—and the UFO visitors. Some of the contactees themselves have associated the visitors with the gods of ancient mythology. When the visitors told Streiber they were "very old," he found himself wondering, "Who were the old gods, really?" If the visitors are gods, they certainly conform to the ancient Greek conception of divinity: "Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad." Their dealings with Streiber nearly caused him to lose his mind. "I thought...my years of eager study of everything from Zen to quantum physics had led me into some strange and tragic byway of the soul," he later wrote. <br><br>Streiber attempts to understand the visitors in spiritual, rather than scientific, terms. Vallee, too, believes the UFO phenomenon is not primarily a scientific matter. "We are dealing here with the next form of religion, with a new spiritual movement," says Vallee. He draws a suggestive parallel between our culture, which looks to science for the answers to our questions, and the society upon which our culture is largely based, that of the ancient Greeks: <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>At the end of antiquity, people were fed up with science. The Greeks knew the Earth was a globe. They knew how big it was, and how far it was from the Sun, and they knew the diameter of the Moon. They could compute the dates of future eclipses. They even understood the atomic structure of matter. But they couldn't tell people what the human race was doing here, and where it would go next. So their science was swept away and forgotten. Will the same thing happen to our science?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>That we cannot say with complete certainty whether the visitors even exist—let alone who they could be and what they might want with us—shows how little we really know, scientifically or otherwise, about even our own tiny spot in the universe. Vallee has some sound advice for those who would look to unknown intelligences or unexplained phenomena for some form of salvation: "Shouldn't we know something more about the helpful stranger before we jump on board?"<br><br>If, against all odds, the visitors turned out to be real, it would make little difference whether they were almond-eyed aliens or tentacled Lovecraftian monsters; as Vallee says, "In terms of the effect on us, it doesn't matter where they come from." But the danger of which Vallee warns—that people may rush into the spiritual void left by science—remains the same even if the visitors do not exist: "The group of people who will first manage to harness the fear of cosmic forces and the emotions surrounding UFO contact to a political purpose will be able to exert incredible spiritual blackmail." <br><br>H. P. Lovecraft envisioned a nightmare future for those who look for hope from unaccounted for places: <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

<br> There should really be no doubt to a logical mind , that WE collectively are the result of genetic engineering.<br><br> Or that we are a Gene pool.<br><br> Unless of course you approve of the Two "official" theories of mankind - namely creationism or Darwenism.<br><br> Both of which have more holes in them than swiss cheese.<br><br> Mindblowing ignorance, created by religious ( gatekeeping) idiots and "official (gatekeeping ) Science ".<br><br> Time to take a logical view ?<br><br> Until someone can even half logically explain to me how the ancients even understood the movements of the heavens, or the existence of Sirius B, let alone threw together the miracles that are the pyramids, then Im on the side of genetic engineering of humankind from aliens.<br><br> But of course thats a "simpletons view". Not likely to get an "A" in Harvard for that kind of speculation.<br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 11/26/05 8:03 pm<br></i>

Yes,Jeff the(non canon) Book of Enoch is correct about many things concerning the UFO nature(did u notice the year when this book-scrolls was found->1947,interesting year,isn't it).I came to same conclusion when I was researching the UFO phenomena few years back..Slowly,as I was getting the facts sorted out,i realised that ghost/poltergeist/UFO/ET are all part of the same ages old demonology phenomena.Interestingly,UFO technology(as seen from the eye of the beholder) was "getting" more and more advanced as our own knowledge in science was advancing.From cigars flying around,the ballons,and jets-like objects,till saucer shaped objects at more recent times.Just to clarify,it seems that they must have some physical dimension ,but are more spiritual in nature(weird,like if/when "they" enter this realm ,they have to take some sort of real physical shape/body-more precisely,they have to obey SOME of the laws of physics).Also,Jude quotes from it at one occasion giving it legitimacy.Also take a look(maybe you have read this before) : <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/">www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>It is well written set of articles with quotes from respectable authors in the field of paranormal/Ufo community.I would like to know more on your thoughts<br> about this link between UFOs,occult and ET/"the old expelled angels/their offspring"<br>Cheers<br>PS Are you thinking of writting a new article at your blogspot about "the Old Ones" and their link(sign of "=" would be more appropriate) with the UFO/occult phenomena.I know that you will risk being attacked from quoting from the Bible and book of Enoch... <p></p><i></i>

"WE collectively are the result of genetic engineering."<br><br>Yeah, obviously the work of the same people who "engineered" the Edsel and "New Coke."<br><br>And the rationale for crossing monkeys with, well, whatever the hell they crossed monkeys with, would be...?<br><br>1. Intergalactic fraternity prank. Definitely topped TPing Mars!<br><br>2. Dammit, wrong petri dish. (So hard to get good lab assistants...)<br><br>3. These things happen when Jehovah gets bored. Look at the duckbill platypus and be glad we don't look like that. <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"WE collectively are the result of genetic engineering."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> And youre actual explaination is ?<br><br> Darwin ? tooooo fucking funny.<br><br> Creationism ? for the indoctrinated morons IMO.<br><br> where are YOU coming from exactly ?<br><br> Ive explained my opinion Banned. Ive Put it on the line.<br><br> How about you ?<br><br> You dont have an opinion ?<br><br> Or do you ?<br><br> Am I not allowed to hear your version of things prior to laughing you out of the place ?<br><br> After all, you appear pretty good at doing that yourself ! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 11/26/05 9:26 pm<br></i>

I may be in the minority here, but I very much doubt that this phenomenon, whatever its true nature, is ever going to "reveal" itself.<br><br>This is why I keep saying that the occult has a trickster nature. Like the will-o'-the-wisp -- or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow -- it remains just beyond our grasp, always leading us on into the unknown.<br><br>I don't expect the aliens to land, or the old gods to return, or the demons to lay claim to earthly rulership. I see no signs of these things ever having happened in the past, and I see no particular reason for them to happen in the future.<br><br>My own ideas about what is going on, to the extent that I can express them at all, tend to rely heavily on analogies. For example, I've seen it claimed that the frog's visual system is fine-tuned to perceive only small moving things that might be flies and large moving things that might be predators. Even if the frog catches a glimpse of something that isn't a fly or a predator, its brain lacks the ability to make sense of it.<br><br>In the same way, it's possible that we humans are catching glimpses of things that our perceptual systems aren't capable of assimilating -- although our brains are working overtime to translate them into familiar terms that we have the illusion of understanding.<br><br>So have a care, little frogs. That small flashy thing darting by that you take for your food might turn out to be something you're not ready to digest. But on the other hand, the big scary thing flying overhead, that you think is a hawk out to eat you, might have very different purposes altogether.<br><br>As my husband's favorite fortune cookie once told him, "There are more to everything than its appearance."<br> <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"We are dealing here with the next form of religion, with a new spiritual movement," says Vallee. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Only some of the "priests" are helping to create it. <p></p><i></i>

...but I don't have a fucking clue where human beings came from.<br><br>Or where ANY of the life on this planet came from.<br><br>Or where this planet came from.<br><br>Or where the universe came from.<br><br>If I did, and more important could PROVE it, I'd be the most celebrated person on earth, even moreso than that guy who can blow himself.<br><br>I happen not to believe in either creationism or evolution, if by 'believe' you mean know it to be true. Nor do I believe in the "Big Bang" as the origin of everything since it evades the question of what it was that went BANG if there wasn't anything there before it (and if there was, it wasn't the beginning).<br><br>It's possible that alien beings from some other part of the universe stopped by here and diddled with the native fauna. I guess my point was that based on the subsequent history of that diddled-with organism we call the 'human being' it seems like one of those ideas that would better have gone in the 'let's not and say we did' pile. More importantly, I don't see why they'd let the experiment go on as long as they have. If I engineered a dog that crapped all over my house and ate mailmen like fat kids eat Krispy Kremes, how many new rugs and irate visits from the Postal Service would I need before I knew I had, to put it mildly, made an error of judgment?<br><br>I admit it's possible they did the diddling, took a few notes, then went back to their home planet or on to the next galaxy, but that seems heartbreakingly cruel and I just don't want to think about it...some alien dude showing his friends photos of humans like I did the time I went to the petting zoo and saw the pygmy goats and bizarrely feathered chickens. Too too cruel.<br><br>Maybe there's just something wrong with me that I am less interested in how we got here than how we're comporting ourselves. In all of human history there has never been universal agreement on the origin of life and I don't anticipate short of the Creator or the Diddlers from Deneb IV 'fessing up by leafletting the planet there never will be. Whether we were made in the image and likeness of Jehovah, crawled up out of a hole in the first kiva, descended from strands of protein in a primordial soup, or were the bright idea of some extraterrestrial scientist, we still have to live on this planet and, hopefully, stop making each other so damn miserable all the time.<br><br>I was reading an old "Discovery" issue over lunch today and was momentarily intrigued by the idea of the universe as a series of layered dimensions, a cosmic lasagna, but in the end, it just made me think maybe I'd make lasagna for dinner. I can't break through to one of those other dimensions and get the hell away from George Bush and my noisy neighbors, so what difference does it make in the end? I'll let other people such as yourself float their hypotheses, and if one day I hear one that doesn't make me go "Yeah, right", I'll hop on that bandwagon with my customary verve.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Let me repeat;<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Until someone can even half logically explain to me how the ancients even understood the movements of the heavens, or the existence of Sirius B, let alone threw together the miracles that are the pyramids, then Im on the side of genetic engineering of humankind from aliens.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> C'mon guys. <br><br> Give it your best "Stargate debunking" analytical - fact -emphasising - PileOcrap- shot <br><br> Im waiting. <br><br> What a bunch of comedians you people are. <p></p><i></i>

"In the same way, it's possible that we humans are catching glimpses of things that our perceptual systems aren't capable of assimilating -- although our brains are working overtime to translate them into familiar terms that we have the illusion of understanding."<br><br>Quite. <br><br>From the "Books of Bokonon":<br><br>"Tiger got to hunt,<br>Bird got to fly;<br>Man got to sit and wonder, "Why, why, why?"<br><br>Tiger got to sleep,<br>Bird got to land;<br>Man got to tell himself he understand." <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>although our brains are working overtime to translate them into familiar terms that we have the illusion of understanding."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> I see.<br><br> So you dont understand anything ?<br><br> You dont question why youre here ?<br> <br> You dont have the intelligence to even think about such things ?<br><br> Well, Please yourself I guess .<br><br> I have to say I cant blame you. The world is structured that way according to the Lizards that call the shots ( IMO of course)<br><br> But then again, Im just a conspiracy theorist , who happens to understand that what you see is but a minutia of what is really happening all around you.<br><br> Psst. Dont tell anyone <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>

starroute, I was thinking tonight how lucky we'll be if the phenomenon doesn't reveal itself in our lifetime. If we're just another generation living with the mystery.<br><br>Perhaps in some respect - maybe the only one we can know - we're the host, and the phenomenon is the parasite. It's in the parasite's self-interest to maintain the life of the host. Hence the perpetual warnings of impending catastrophe if we don't shape up. Since now we're possibly on the cusp of ending the human experiment, perhaps the phenomenon needs to show more of its hand, to keep its host from destroying itself.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

...is very different from arguing for one or another explanation.<br><br>You're grinding a particular axe, you apparently believe that previous societies could not have come by the knowledge they have been shown to have any other way than from a more advanced society. I don't know how old you are but my guess is I was probably reading "Chariots of the Gods?" when you were in Pampers, and it's all very interesting. However, given how quickly civilizations can degenerate into barbarism, whether due to being conquered by barbarians or simply degrading on their own, I don't find it impossible that past cultures discovered knowledge that was subsequently forgotten. When I was a kid people knew the difference between 'its' and 'it's'; today, you can't read much without noticing that almost no one anymore does. Does that mean that previous generations learned it from space aliens? <br><br>In any case, I'm not saying you're wrong, I said I don't know, and that unlike you I don't find any of the competing explanations sufficiently convincing to champion it, which isn't the same as saying I'm too stupid to think about the question. I could just as easily suggest that you seem to be insufficiently intelligent to grasp my point that even if we were dropped from the ass of a Cosmic Elephant we still have to make a go of it here on this planet. When I was younger I thought more about the 'why' of things, and now that I'm older and closer to the end of the road I think more about the 'how.' Maybe some people who didn't think about the whys early in life come around to them as they age. In Hindu culture, for example, the early stages of life are for making your way in the world, and later on you become a contemplative. In American society we have a long adolescence (in the sense of freedom from full adult responsibilities) that sometimes lasts through the 20s to mull eternal verities before we get caught up in mulling how to pay the bills when the income is less than the outgo. Neither approach is right or wrong. <br><br>You seem to be raring for somebody to meet your enthusiastic championing of your views with equally enthusiastic championing of their own views. Sorry if my agnosticism on the issue peeves you.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

slimmouse said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Until someone can even half logically explain to me how the ancients even understood the movements of the heavens, or the existence of Sirius B, let alone threw together the miracles that are the pyramids, then Im on the side of genetic engineering of humankind from aliens.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>The trouble with that line of argument is that using one mystery to explain another mystery doesn't really get you anywhere. Science at least makes an attempt to explain unknown things by referring to known things. (For example, Newton suggesting that the orbits of the planets are determined by the same force of gravity that makes an apple fall. Or Darwin suggesting that evolution is the result of a natural process analogous to the artificial selection used by animal breeders.) Science may not be able to explain everything, but just making shit up is not a useful alternative.<br><br>Also, I don't accept the historical mysteries you cite as being so inexplicable as to require alien intervention. There have been geeks throughout human history, and the nature of geeks is to observe things obsessively, devise elaborate theoretical systems to explain them, and work out engineering solutions to problems that often go far beyond what any normal person would expect to be possible within the limits of the technology at hand. Just because we can't figure out how to replicate the achievements of some early Bronze Age genius doesn't make them a miracle. <br><br>I'll grant you that the case of Sirius B is a tricky one -- provided it isn't just a random coincidence of ancient myth with modern science -- but even there I can think of a couple of different explanations just off the top of my head that don't require alien visitors.<br><br>Ultimately, though, the issue isn't a logical one but a philosophical one. You may find the idea of alien genetic engineering philosophically satisfying, but I don't. The way I look at things is that we're required to be responsible for ourselves on this planet. Our achievements are our own and so are our fuckups -- and looking around for anonymous strangers to lay both of them off on just doesn't cut it.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 11/26/05 11:11 pm<br></i>

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