Aurora UK overflight causes stir

by jc » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:39 am

I've just been reading this Guardian article on the mach 8 capable Aurora spy plane, looked around. found some other interesting stuff. here it is. * * * * * <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Is it a bird? Is it a spaceship? No, it's a secret US spy plane  · Sightings of flying object over Britain worried MoD · Questions threatened to strain relations with US James Randerson, science correspondent Saturday June 24, 2006 The Guardian It is the stuff of internet conspiracy theorists' dreams. A top secret, hypersonic, cold war spy plane that was allegedly flown by the Americans in UK airspace without the government's permission. Publicly, the UK government played down newspaper stories about people who reported seeing UFO-like phenomena. But documents released under the Freedom of Information Act suggest the Ministry of Defence took the rumours much more seriously. Its investigations even threatened to strain the special relationship. "It does show that they were concerned that this thing did exist and the Americans were flying it around willy-nilly over the UK," said David Clarke, a social scientist at Sheffield Hallam University, who obtained the documents. "It certainly suggests that the British government suspected that they were being kept in the dark." The United States has never confirmed the existence of the mysterious aircraft, called Aurora, which was supposedly designed to sneak at very high speed over the Soviet Union and take covert snaps of what the enemy was up to. It was rumoured to be capable of flying at up to mach 8 and so could reach anywhere on the planet in less than three hours. In the early 1990s there were a string of supposed sightings and strange sounds over Scotland which some bewildered locals attributed to UFOs. Rumours in the press that Aurora was operating secretly out of RAF Machrihanish on the tip of Kintyre prompted Scottish MPs to ask questions in parliament. Briefing notes given to the then defence secretary Tom King on March 4 1992 show that civil servants did give the idea credence. "There is no knowledge in the MoD of a 'black' programme of this nature, although it would not surprise the relevant desk officers in the Air Staff and [Defence Intelligence Staff] if it did exist." The response suggested to an MP's question was rather less revealing: "The existence of any such project (or operation) would be a matter for the US authorities." The Americans denied everything, but the reports kept coming. The most credible witness was Chris Gibson, who had 12 years' experience with the Royal Observer Corps and was an expert on recognising aircraft. He saw a triangular plane flanked by two US fighters being refuelled in flight by tanker while he was working on the Galveston Key oilrig in 1989. The plane was unlike anything he had ever seen. "There was no precedent for this," he said. "I kind of sussed out that it was something I shouldn't have seen." He reported the sighting to Jane's Defence Weekly in 1992. On December 22 1992, the air attache to the British embassy in Washington wrote to the assistant chief of the Air Staff in London explaining US reaction to renewed MoD questions prompted by Mr Gibson's sighting. "Secretary of the Air Force, the Honorable Donald B Rice, was to say the least incensed by the renewed speculation, and the implied suggestion that he had lied to Congress by stating that Aurora did not exist. "As you will have gathered, the whole affair is causing considerable irritation within HQ [US Air Force], and any helpful comments we can make to defuse the situation would be appreciated." "The sort of prickly reaction to people not believing their denials is pretty unusual," said Bill Sweetman, an expert on top secret US black projects with Jane's Defence Review. "They generally don't deny things actually because it generally doesn't hurt them too much if somebody thinks they have a capability they don't."  A further batch of sightings on March 31 1993 over Devon, Cornwall, South Wales and Shropshire prompted another investigation by the MoD. These turned out later to be a Russian rocket re-entering the atmosphere, but the MoD investigators at the time suspected Aurora. "There would seem to be some evidence on this occasion that an unidentified object (or objects) of unknown origin was operating over the UK ... If there has been some activity of US origins which is known to a limited circle in MoD and is not being acknowledged it is difficult to investigate further." Mr Sweetman suspects that by the end of the decade the MoD knew about Aurora. Another document from 2000 on the MoD's investigations into UFO sightings -or unidentified aerial phenomena as they prefer to call them - states that "some UAP reports can be attributed to covert aircraft programmes". The section, which discusses other covert US aircraft such as the SR-71 Blackbird, contains two paragraphs and two illustrations which were censored before its freedom of information release last month. Codes next to the removed material indicate that it was excised in the interests of international relations. "Certain viewing angles of these vehicles may be described as saucer-like," the document says.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1804926,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/scienc...26,00.html</a> the following article from the southerncounties Beeb does a rundown of UFO/spyplanes. there's a good digimage of the CIA's TR-3B and the caption ties it to the Triangle UFO sighting in Belgium. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>SPY PLANE MYSTERY Contrail... with donuts. Here, we resurrect speculation that a top secret American spy plane is thought to have flown through air space in Sussex...<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/community/strange_south/spy_plane/story.shtml">www.bbc.co.uk/southerncou...tory.shtml</a> Related Beeb Newsnight <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5079044.stm">article</a> on the Aurora. Wiki: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft">Aurora</a>. A rundown of US spyplanes from FAS <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.htm">here</a>. Here's <a href="http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/12/aurora.htm">more</a> on the Aurora and an alleged video from 1998. And last, a W Cooper (Pale Horse) <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7472823022720725604&q=ufo+duration%3Along">video</a> where he mentions the Aurora at c 1 hour and 20 mins. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1804926,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1804926,00.html</a> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/community/strange_south/spy_plane/story.shtml">www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/community/strange_south/spy_plane/story.shtml</a> * * * * * On edit: an article on the <a href="http://robocat.users.btopenworld.com/tr3b.htm">TR-3B</a> from <a href="http://robocat.users.btopenworld.com/main.html">The World of Stealth</a>. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 6/25/06 8:02 am

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:16 pm

Don't know enough about Aurora personally, but one thing that really caught my attention was a program I saw on one of the junk science channels(Discovery, History, etc), that talked briefly about Aurora and showed a GOES 12 image that knocked my socks off. I've never found the image online and hunted for it vigorously. Basically, it showed a contrail that had it's origin point at Groom Lake and ran all the way across the United States heading out into the Atlantic. Had I not been researching 'chemtrails' at the time I wouldn't have been as impressed by this, but the chemtrail research gave me an appreciation of the following: A - Satellite contrail images are never very large relatively speaking, and the dispersion rates clearly show within less than say 50 miles, which direction a trail's coming from. In other words, trails begin to either dissipate or fan out within a few minutes, but this trail was razor sharp across the entire continent and out to sea. For this trail to have existed in reality as I have come to understand it, the trail itself had to have been made from one end to another within 30 minutes or less. WAY less, is more like it. B - Early GOES(8-10 series) showed contrail images much clearer than GOES 12, and without going into the VERY high res, raw images, you're probably not going to see them at all, but this image trail was just clear as day like someone ran an eraser from one end of the sat image to the other. Looking at one of the pictures from your links, I saw that photo of the mystery plane: <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Aurora_Formation_by_BillRose.jpg"/> Kick in the Way Back Machine: A friend and I saw something almost identical to it one night down in Miami near Homestead Air Force Base back in 1988-89. It flew over the city very low and very fast, made no sound at all, and had no lights. The only way we were able to see it was because it was low enough the arc sodium 'crime lights' from the city were reflecting on it's underside revealing the dull black, isosceles shape. We freaked out understandibly, and called the Base. They gave us the denial thing, and asked us if we wanted to report a UFO sighting, saying they'd send someone out to see us. This made me irrationally nervous and I immediately hung up the phone(we were just kids, 17 at the oldest). I always assumed it was one of the stealth bombers that weren't declassified until later on, but the triangle shape wasn't right; it looked much more like what I see in the above photo. I also never considered to to be anything but one of 'ours'. It didn't feel like I was looking at an alien technology despite the lack of signatures I had come to expect from normal aircraft.

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:08 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I've never found the image online and hunted for it vigorously. Basically, it showed a contrail that had it's origin point at Groom Lake and ran all the way across the United States heading out into the Atlantic.<hr></blockquote> I dunno if you read the Benntt article I posted the link to on the scalar thread, but it has some very interesting observations (provided they are real, and not a piss take), in light of this.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:29 am

I'll read it, Joe. One very conspicous thing that stands out for me in that picture above, and that's the fuel tether linking the whatsit to the refueling plane in front of it. Whatever that thing is, it looks like it runs on the same shit everything else does. So much for exotic, alien technology..I'll bet it doesn't even have a flux capacitor onboard. pfft..

by **4911** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:36 am

dunno about that - it could still be pumping liquid hydrogen or whatever into that tank, even if it looks like a standard kerosene fuel-line or whatever...the fuel line still has aerodynamic issues nomatter what you pump in to the tank, and those would i guess be the same regardless of content...

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:51 pm

True enough, but the fact that it needs a refill at all suggests to me that the technology isn't as advanced as they'd like the rumor patrol to suggest.. What if the most notorious rumors were fostered by the government themselves?

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