triangle video

[orz]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>confirmed fake - grain mismatch. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>NONSENSE!<br><br>Sorry, I'm certainly not defending this clip as 'real' but let's be Rigorous here!!<br><br>When you look at a heavily compressed video on youtube etc you are NOT seeing 'grain', mismatched or otherwise.<br><br>When a video is compressed as much as this is, anything so subtle as grain is pretty much totally lost. (not to get into the fact that video has noise rather than grain - that's getting too pedantic <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> )<br><br>What you claim is 'grain mismatch' is actually compression artifacts. The block around the UFO is not coz someone got lazy in compositing. It's a block of compression that stands out from the sky, as the sky is a more or less flat colour which compresses well (the compression codec has removed any detail/grain that was there) wheras the detail of the UFO on this background stands out and thus ends up with blocky compression artifacts surrounding it.<br><br>I mean, LOOK AT THE TREES!<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1777/bscap0000cropwi3.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>They exhibit the same 'grain mismatch' as the UFO! Are they fake CGI trees?<br><br>I wish pretty much everyone on the internet would learn the rudiments of how digital images work before 'analysing' them. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Almost every anomaly, UFO, ghost, london bomber's elbow, martian city, WTC missile, etc etc on the whole WWW is actually some compression artifact blown up to the size of a loaf of bread and mangled through some psychadelic photoshop filters in the name of 'research' by some over-enthusiastic type who seems to have never picked up a camera or opened their eyes before! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>So let's not have the debunkings be equally hokey and compression-misinterpretation-based please! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.computingunplugged.com/issuesprint/issue200310/00001115.html">Understanding how image compression works</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>Bear in mind that any JPEG image you see on the internet is not a photo, but rather is effectively a bad photo of a photo!<br><br>(sorry to rant, nothing personal but this stuff annoys me no end...) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 8/4/06 9:02 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

The trees are not showing fully discernable squares behind them, either. The compression is obvious, but why is there a large rectangle around the object and not behind the edges of the trees? <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[orz]

The UFO is a blob on a plain sky background, and thus is blocked off in a section of compression of its own.<br><br>The trees are not isolated, but absolutely exhibit the same kind of blocks of compression around the edges.<br><br>DON'T MAKE ME OPEN PHOTOSHOP! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br><br>Have you ever composited video footage? There's no reason in the world a CGI ufo would ever be in an ugly block of 'grain' like that. You'd render it with an alpha channel + it'd be nice + crisply superimposed on the sky... or if it were a bluescreened model or some such you'd key it out... no method of doing it would result in a neat rectangle around the footage. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 8/4/06 9:26 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Go ahead, man, I already did..Seriously, if your explanation is correct, there should be rectangles the same size protruding around the limbs, but they aren't. I'm no professional, but I use photoshop every day. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>EVERY</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> day..<br><br>The video looks ligit to me, but the compression artifacts don't appear to match.<br><br>I dunno. I'd rather see it for myself anyways, and I already have. Why is it everyone who tries to alledgely capture UFO/Black tech always take shitty pics and videos?<br><br>*shrugs* <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[orz]

Ok now you've done it! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> You've made me turn to the very techniques I was condemning! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n306/oorrzz/poopycompression.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Here's the same image with the contrast increased so you can see the different blocks of compression that make up the image. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

nope. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[orz]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>there should be rectangles the same size protruding<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>No, not the same size... mpeg compression artifacts in vary in size to fit the detail of the image, cutting the image up into the optimum number of little rectangles for compression... the important thing is that, as I hope you can see from the above, they're the same character of blockiness as surrounds the UFO.<br><br>If there were a box around the UFO before compression, the detail of it would have been lost or made fuzzy! wheras here it's clear + crisp. definitely a product of the compression codec. Certainly if you had uncompressed footage of this there may be a difference in grain on the UFO body which could give it away as fake, but my point is that we don't have that and can't see it!<br><br>Certainly you must admit that the 'grain' in the trees is as mismatched with the sky as the 'grain' on the UFO is.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why is it everyone who tries to alledgely capture UFO/Black tech always take shitty pics and videos?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Too true!!<br><br>ANyway... yeah it's fake i'm sure... all i'm really saying, is you can't prove much one way or another by anylising jpegs or mpegs... much of the information from the original photo (well, ALL of the information really, tho it may not look that way to the eye) is gone and cannot be put back... you can't really 'prove' it's fake or real without a higher-quality image (and even then probably not)<br><br>The reason this is important to me is that when people start using this kind of mis-informed study of images to 'prove' an image is fake you get a lot of self-discrediting nonsense that muddies serious issues. Example the london bombers CCTV photo, all the nonsense about the railing supposedly going over the guy's arm thus 'proving' the image was photoshopped... even though that should make no sense to anyone who's ever cut out + pasted a picture in photoshop, you'd have to go out of your way to make a detail of the background overlap like that!... and thus important discussion of the events is yet again diluted by nonsense that makes people asking questions look like 'conspiracy nuts' <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START |I --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 8/4/06 9:49 pm<br></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The trees are not showing fully discernable squares behind them, either. The compression is obvious, but why is there a large rectangle around the object and not behind the edges of the trees?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>To be honest I think there is a rectangle around the trees. well that same pattern of square lines of weird pixellation.<br><br>maybe not as large tho. from the edge of the leaves to it as between the edges of the triangle and the edges of the weird pixellation.<br><br>I know sweet FA about images compression or any of that tho.<br><br>Even ordinary planes distort the air around them, changing the pressure/ air density, not to mention the temp changes, and perhaps they cause field effects to, what with all the EM bullshit that goes with them.<br><br>So I am wondering why the pixellation around the triangle could not be something to do with that?<br><br>Why it has to be an inserted image.<br><br>Remeber to me the pixellation around the trees looks v similar, and squared off. But it doesn't extend as far. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Example the london bombers CCTV photo, all the nonsense about the railing supposedly going over the guy's arm thus 'proving' the image was photoshopped...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm 100% convinced that whole debacle was started as a psy-op..I remember that day very well and every day forum online was burning up over that one. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

I agree with orz. Youtube compresses to the point of uselessness. Also, the object appears to go behind foreground objects...not an easy trick for the amateur George Lucas out there. Also, the eratic movement of the camera while the path of the craft stays constant...that's not easy either.<br><br>I assume that it's real. That is, I think it is something in the sky, I just don't know what it is. The fact that such an obvious sighting did not make even the tabloid style news makes me think it is fake...but if so, I would lean to a homemade glider remote control explanation. If it simply a special effect, it was very well done.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Watching again...if you stop it frame by frame, it actually seems to pass IN FRONT of the foreground objects, which revises my opinion considerably....can't tell for sure, and it does seem to pass behind one of the two white tv towers but it doesn't seem to be behind some of the other objects in the foreground <p></p><i></i>

[Pirx]

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[Luther Blissett]

My girlfriend and I just witnessed a large, silent, black triangle with white lights on the corners and a red light in the center. I pointed it out, and her reaction was "oh, hello low flyer." I explained that this was a likely an experimental government project and she chastised me over this explanation, it being the opposite of anything I've ever said or believed - that I thought it was an experimental government craft because that's how "they" explain it. I said, "well, didn't those lights looked terrestrial" to which she responded, "what's your frame of reference for 'terrestrial'?" She found its silence to be pretty evincing.

Regardless, any other Philly posters who might make their way down to the UFO subbasement see a large, black, silent triangular craft floating over west Philly around 8pm on Saturday night? American Dream, were you out and about?

[barracuda]

Luther, can you post a sketch of your sighting?

[Luther Blissett]

Luther, can you post a sketch of your sighting?

I can put something together in photoshop if you want. I'd be nervous about it getting distributed as a hoax though - I'll watermark it "sketch"