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Re: triangle video

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:23 pm

I made some screen captures and ran the images through a stepping algorithm for expanding image size and some level adjustments.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.sickle666.com/images/triangle.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Again, no comment... <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: triangle video

Postby orz » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:12 pm

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Re: triangle video

Postby bvonahsen » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:01 pm

I think it's fake. I mean really! Was that so hard to keep in the veiwfinder? It isn't like it was moving fast or jumping around. <br><br>I would need to find a decent flash to avi converter to prove it though. You can download youtube or google videos with a Firefox plugin called "Unplug" but those are saved as flash video format. <br><br>The main reason I think it is fake is because the "craft" drops out of frame towards the end and then reappears higher in the sky. Plastic model + fishing line + jerky camera moves = good enough to fool some people. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: triangle video

Postby 4911 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:02 pm

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Re: triangle video

Postby bvonahsen » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:40 pm

confirmed fake - grain mismatch. The background grain of the ship doesn't match the original footage. Pretty easy to see here. There are ways around that, but they didn't know how or didn't take the time.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1777/bscap0000cropwi3.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Yeah I'm Inclined to Agree

Postby JD » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:02 pm

I'm inclined to agree with the fake prognosis; and noted the aircraft suddenly being much higher at approximately second 23.<br><br>Too bad.<br><br>I don't technically understand the image analysis software but will bvon's word for it.<br><br>Another issue is the lack of provenance for the sighting; no information as to who shot it, where, when, etc.<br><br>Hey - you guys that have seen triangles - I'd LOVE TO HEAR more about what happened - please give us the whole story. <p></p><i></i>
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Black Triangle Sightings from Space.com

Postby JD » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:07 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/hf_ufo_SilentRunning_01.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Silent Running: 'Black Triangle' Sightings on the Rise <br>By Leonard David<br>Senior Space Writer<br>posted: 02 September 2004<br>06:50 am ET<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/flying_triangle_040902.html" target="top">www.space.com/businesstechnology/flying_triangle_040902.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They have become legendary in UFO circles. Huge, silent-running “Flying Triangles” have been seen by ground observers creeping through the sky low and slow near cities and quietly cruising over highways.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS), has catalogued the Triangle sightings, sifting through and combining databases to take a hard look at the mystery craft. Based in Las Vegas, Nevada, NIDS is a privately funded science institute with a strong research focusing on aerial phenomena.The results of their study have just been released and lead to some unnerving, still puzzling conclusions.<br><br>The study points out: “The United States is currently experiencing a wave of Flying Triangle sightings that may have intensified in the 1990s, especially towards the latter part of the 1990s. The wave continues. The Flying Triangles are being openly deployed over and near population centers, including in the vicinity of major Interstate Highways.” <br><br>Covert operations?<br><br>A key NIDS conclusion is that the actions of these triangular craft do not conform to previous patterns of covert deployment of unacknowledged aircraft. Furthermore, “neither the agenda nor the origin of the Flying Triangles are currently known.” <br><br>The years 1990-2004 have seen an intense wave of Flying Triangle aircraft, the study observes. Sifting through reports by hundreds of eyewitnesses, the NIDS assessment states that the behavior of the vehicles “does not appear consistent with the covert deployment of an advanced DoD [U.S. Department of the Defense] aircraft.”<br> <br>Rather, it is consistent with (a) the routine and open deployment of an unacknowledged advanced DoD aircraft or (b) the routine and open deployment of an aircraft owned and operated by non-DoD personnel, suggests the NIDS study.<br><br>“The implications of the latter possibility are disturbing, especially during the post 9/11 era when the United States airspace is extremely heavily guarded and monitored,” the NIDS study explains. “In support of option (a), there is much greater need for surveillance in the United States in the post 9/11 era and it is certainly conceivable that deployment of low altitude surveillance platforms is routine and open.”<br><br>Open, even brazen<br><br>According to Colm Kelleher, NIDS Administrator, the newly completed quasi “meta-analysis” of Flying Triangles melds three major U.S. databases: NIDS, the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and data collected by independent researcher, Larry Hatch, the creator and owner of one of the largest and most comprehensive UFO databases in the world.<br><br>Kelleher said, the analysis indicates that deployment of Flying Triangles is open, not covert, and involves low-flying, brightly lit aircraft routinely deployed over populated areas including cities and Interstate highways.<br><br>“However, I cannot say whether these are U.S. Air Force aircraft. We simply don't know,” Kelleher told SPACE.com . “But it does not appear to be consistent with the covert patterns of deployment we saw with the F-117 and B-2 prior to their acknowledgement. This is open, even brazen,” he stated.<br><br>Stealth aircraft<br><br>For example, a perfunctory look at the how past DoD stealth aircraft programs were kept from public eye -- although eventually came to light -- is different from the patterns for the Flying Triangles.<br><br>Prior to acknowledgement of the F-117 and B-2 aircraft, only rare night time sightings occurred in the sparsely populated sections of Nevada, California and a few other states. Flying at low altitude over populated areas was rarely reported for the F-117 or B-2. <br><br>“In contrast, the Flying Triangle deployment, especially during the 1990s, appears more consistent with the open and public operation of these aircraft,” the study explains. The trend of open deployment of the Flying Triangles is not consistent with secret operation of an advanced DoD aircraft.<br><br>No attempt to hide<br><br>The database-driven study of the Flying Triangle shows the following patterns: <br><br>-- Sightings take place near cities and on Interstate highways<br>-- They are seen at low altitude in plain sight of eyewitnesses<br>-- They fly at extremely low speed or hover in plain sight of eyewitnesses<br>-- The vehicles sometime fly with easily noticeable bright lights -- either blinding white lights, or have “bright disco lights” that usually flash combinations of red, green or blue.<br><br>The NIDS study emphasizes that the flying of these vehicles may be more in harmony with an attempt to display or to be noticed. There appears to be little or no attempt to hide. That finding has led to a modification of an earlier NIDS hypothesis that the Triangles are covertly deployed DoD aircraft.<br><br>While it is too early to dismiss the previously published NIDS correlation between Triangle sightings and a subset of U.S. Air Force Bases, the apparent association with centers of population may point away from a covert program. “Rather, it is consistent with routine and open deployment of an advanced aircraft,” the NIDS study concludes.<br> <br>Clustered on both coasts<br><br>During the ensuing years (2000-2004), NIDS received hundreds of reports from people in the United States and Canada reporting large triangular aircraft, often silent and often flying at very low altitude and at low air speed. In many cases, the objects were brightly lit. NIDS files also include reports of Flying Triangles from remote areas.<br><br>In mid 2004, NIDS reviewed its database that contains the locations of the Triangle sightings in the United States. The sightings of Triangles appear primarily adjacent to population centers and along Interstate Highways, with sightings clustered on both coasts.<br><br>NIDS has amassed almost 400 separate sightings of triangular/boomerang/wedge-shaped objects. Many of these craft are brightly lit, low flying, and traveling at unexpectedly low air speeds. <br><br>In earlier reports, NIDS outlined a tentative correlation between reported sightings of Triangles and the locations of Air Mobility Command and Air Force Materiel Command bases in the United States.<br><br>Like a Star Trek "uncloaking"<br><br>According to ground observers, the features of a Black Triangle are indeed impressive. <br><br>For example, the NIDS study includes the observation of a Port Washington Wisconsin person who encountered a large object that flew over her home at 500 feet altitude in October 1998. Her eyeing of the clear starry night was interrupted as the craft came into her field of view.<br><br>“Suddenly this monstrosity came out of the ‘blue’, just like a Star Trek 'uncloaking', no kidding…so quiet I couldn’t believe it and so huge…no more than 500 feet or so up, and big enough to take up my field of sky vision,” she reported. <br><br>Crude mathematics, the witness recounted, would make the vessel about 200 feet wide and 250 feet long.<br><br>Two camps<br><br>In wrapping up its look at the burgeoning number of Flying Triangle sightings in the United States, NIDS also took into account the work of writers and researchers delving into the topic both in the United States and abroad. <br><br>Those analyses fall into two camps: The Triangles are human-made, while the other says they are not. <br><br>“In 2004 it is extremely difficult to distinguish between these two possibilities since the former option overlaps heavily with legitimate national security concerns, while in the absence of much more physical evidence, the latter option is not testable,” the NIDS assessment concludes.[/quote]<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Yeah I'm Inclined to Agree

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:19 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>confirmed fake - grain mismatch.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good call. It would have been obvious in my frames as well had I not cropped it so tightly.<br><br>What I saw was definately real, however. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Please tell the story.......

Postby JD » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:20 pm

Please tell the story of your sighting....... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Yeah I'm Inclined to Agree

Postby bvonahsen » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:30 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I don't technically understand the image analysis software but will bvon's word for it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I wouldn't. You don't know me so how can you vouch for my honesty?<br><br>All youtube and google videos are in the flash video or .flv format. They are made with the Macromedia (now Adobe) "flash" program or a compatable one.<br><br>All video has a grain, even digital footage. This is caused by either the individual chemical grains in film or by the CCD in digital cameras. Any time you try to combine footage you will get a mismatch like this. One exception is a double exposure. The old polaroid trick where you take a snapshot of a light fixture, depress the shutter halfway (if I remember right) and then take another shot outdoors works really well and is very hard to detect. <br><br>I don't consider myself an expert and neither should anyone else. I would say I am at an imtermediate level, but learning. And of course, I'm human (last time I checked) and make mistakes (and bad jokes). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Yeah I'm Inclined to Agree

Postby bvonahsen » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:54 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What I saw was definately real, however.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I believe you too. I think they may be lighter than air observation platforms. I can remember some old popular science or pop mechanics issues that talked about how the airforce was developing observation platforms for use in battle. One suggestion was a sort of large globe. One of the big problems was keeping them stable. The wind has a tendancy to blow them around and a big globe seemed to help. They must have found a better solution though.<br><br>The best documented incident was the one observed by several people including a policeman. They even hired a company to triangulate all the sightings and produced a flight path and a 3d model of the supposed object. When they put the data in the computer they were able to make the case that what the witnesses saw could be explained by a triangular object seen from their vantage point.<br><br>Given that there was a millitary base not too far they concluded it was some sort of secret observation platform. <p></p><i></i>
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Another Agreement

Postby JD » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:18 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I wouldn't. You don't know me so how can you vouch for my honesty?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good point. Your analysis however wasn't the item that got me thinking it was hoaxed. As stated further up in the thread I'd pretty much made up my mind it was hoaxed unless something pretty convincing came along that suggested otherwise.<br><br>Thanks for the explanation of what you did, makes sense that inserting digital images would take some work on the pixellation and if this wasn't done the pixellation grains wouldn't match.<br><br>You'd think that big, lighter than air observation platforms would be hard to hide. Imagine the size of the hangers required. I think some reports have them moving pretty fast too (and quiet!), so if they are lighter than air craft they have to have some serious propulsion systems in place.<br><br>This is what makes the triangle sightings quite interesting; they don't really fit any box you try to put them in.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Another Agreement

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:48 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Please tell the story of your sighting.......<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I mentioned it some time back, but briefly, what I experienced is more or less the same as all the accounts I was to read online 15 years later.<br><br>A friend of mine and myself were hanging out late one night on my grandparent's roof down in Miami, Florida. This was back in 1988 or 89; I was about 17/18. We saw this dull orange object headed due north passing about 30 degrees west of our meridian. The object was *very* fast, a perfect isoscoles, and absolutely silent. As it drew closer, we realized that it wasn't dull orange, it was a flat dark grey, and the mistaken color was actually the arc sodium 'crime' lights from the city bouncing off it's underside.<br><br>That's how low it was.<br><br>All told, it spanned one end of our horizon to the other in approximately 6 to 8 seconds and was gone. We were obviously freaked out, and I decided to call the Homestead Air Force base(which was later destroyed by Hurricane Andrew). HAFB was about 30 miles due south of our location, which was in the Westchester section of West Miami(sw 8th street and 82 avenue). Without internet access back then, there wasn't much info out there on experiemental craft that didn't filter through the MSM, so essentaiily I didn't know jack shit about anything, so when I called to make the report, I asked if they were flying any experimental craft that night and I was told no(naively thinking I would be told the truth, of course). They asked me if I wanted to fill out an UFO incident report and I hung up on the officer for reasons I still don't really understand; I guess I had instinctive paranoia, I don't know..that and I didn't want to get chewed out by my grandfather for having Air Force personel arrive at his house at 3 in the morning, heh).<br><br>Years later, I assumed what we had seen was one of the B2 prototypes, but details never matched up(my sighting was a TRUE isoscoles without the jaggy rear end, for one), and when I saw other's commentaries online regarding their own sightings I was definately sure we had seen something else.<br><br>I have little doubt I was looking at 'our' technology. By that I don't believe I was witnessing an extraterrestrial craft. It just looked like very well designed American engineering, but the lack of sonics were....disturbing.<br><br>That's it, really. My memory suggests there may have been the trio of lights, but I can't count on that as that may have been super-imposed by what I've seen online. I DO remember seeing basic running lights, but they were very dim, and not the overpowering ones seen in the only Black Triangle picture I've seen. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 8/4/06 3:49 pm<br></i>
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Re: Another Agreement

Postby 4911 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:18 pm

ah - so maybe this video is just one planted fake to get people to believe the real black triangular sightings are just a prank/urban myth... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 8/4/06 7:19 pm<br></i>
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Re: Another Agreement

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:57 pm

video-jacking?<br><br>:P <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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