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[heath7]

Hey Jeff,<br><br>Floyd was not 'all noise, no signal'.<br><br>Banning him was a new low for this board, and yet the true toublemakers never ever see any threat. <br><br>To all the lurkers and confused posters, RI is an amazing blog, and its hard to put down. I may never put it down. But I will not sit silently and watch what I once admired, this board, turn into a book burning extravaganza. <br><br>That you pay the bills, Jeff, may be a sufficient legal excuse to mould what transpires on this board, but its not honest.<br><br>Open discussion will <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>never</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> accomplish anything until all are welcome, and we are all forced to hone down our gullibilities. If you can't sift through any and all information on this board and find what's real and what's not, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>then</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> maybe you don't belong here, or for that matter, on the internet, or voting. Besides, its not like there aren't enough people here to call out the bullshit; I think this point should be obvious.<br><br>Take for example thumperton's re-banning. Because the readers of this board are trying, thumperton was outed for lying, and readers got a little taste of how actual open discussion works. Thumperton's lying would have been sufficient to compromise his character, banning him was just an exercise of empirical power. In the end, without the rebanning, everybody learned something. The banning taught nothing except for the tendencies of this fascist board (that its 'less' fascist than others is little solace to me) <br><br>None of us need anyone telling us what <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>words</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> are allowed, and not allowed. Any place that dictates such has given up and become like the empire, for exactly the same reasons the empire has constructed; free speech is inconvenient. <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Try to keep in mind this psychological warfare maxim-<br><br>"People need visible targets for their frustrations."<br><br>I'm just as leary of any censorship as you are, heath7, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>using up bandwith with puppy photos and hoaxes is a tactic for suppressing other people's speech online.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Intentionally displacing other people's communication is a form of censorship in our info war world and more of us need to recognize the tactic.<br><br>All I'm saying is that this website is not the right focal point for outrage over censorship and is far from a "fascist" website. Quite the contrary.. Every site is what it is and not ideal.<br>And discussing this very thing is a learning experience for those who care to think about it.<br><br>I don't mean to support webmaster autonomy as an ideal parallel with dictatorship since I have my own strong convictions about socially responsible regulation of a discussion board similar to ideals out in the 'world wide world.'<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Hugh,<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But I'm warning against feeding cointelpro agent provocateur tactics and reinforcing the discrediting of the concept "hidden history" by always linking it to holocaust denial. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I understand your caution, but I've yet to see an example of that. There are hundreds of "hidden history" subjects discussed at any time on this forum -- one of the overarching themes of RI and the board is that official history is inaccurate, biased, and/or manipulated. JFK, UFOs, 9/11, and so forth. <br><br>I just haven't seen examples of the behavior you're warning about.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That you pay the bills, Jeff, may be a sufficient legal excuse to mould what transpires on this board, but its not honest.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's bullshit. Again, who are *you* to tell the owner what is appropriate content for his board? If you're so adamant about what *you* consider fair rules for discussion, there's nothing stopping you from starting your own forum. Almost every forum evolves rules to keep the conversation from disintegrating into chaos -- those that don't have guidelines almost always lose focus and devolve into endless flame wars. I've been around long enough to have seen it happen many times.<br><br>And for Christ's sake, Jeff's minimal rules aren't stifling or hard to follow. No personal attacks, no racist posts, no discussion of Holocaust "hoaxes," and no cries of "disinfo agent." Is that really too hard to adhere to? If so, I suggest you have some serious problems and should take a long, hard look at yourself.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Banning him was a new low for this board, and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>yet the true toublemakers never ever see any threat.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Examples?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>None of us need anyone telling us what words are allowed, and not allowed. Any place that dictates such has given up and become like the empire, for exactly the same reasons the empire has constructed; free speech is inconvenient.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Bullshit again. Jeff has placed some very loose guidelines on what people can talk about here. It amazes me that some still feel like they have a god-given right to disregard the rules of this space.<br><br>You say you value the board? Then accept its boundaries. If you can't accept the rules the owner puts in place, don't complain about the boot prints on your ass when you go flying out the door.<br><br>The whining about this issue is really pathetic. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[heath7]

If distractions accomplish <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>anything</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, then they cease being distractions, and then turn into lessons. I guess this board is for teaching, just not for those kinds of lessons (although it is, to any paying close attention). <br><br>There are many angles of distraction at work on this board, so if any of its going to be controlled, then it all must be, and there ain't a billionaire's chance in heaven that that'll ever happen. So trying to clamp down on any particular distraction really is little more than enforcing one's viewpoint over another, and definately should not be described as open discussion.<br><br>Professorpan, I'm not speaking for Hugh, but you epitomize the mentioned cointelpro tactics. You, Dream's End, and Qutb could hardly do a better job if you were paid disinformers. Those who can't see that yet I ask, politely but pleadingly, of you to please think hard about all the 'distractions' that these three focus so much of there time upon.<br><br>But even though they act like agents, and I'm just trying to point out the truth, I will probably be banned.<br><br>Cheers to being banned! <p></p><i></i>

[thoughtographer]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But even though they act like agents, and I'm just trying to point out the truth, I will probably be banned.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Then you'll be a prophet <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>and</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a martyr. Imagine your future excitement at proving yourself right. <p></p><i></i>

[heath7]

At this point I'm sooooooooo worried about being banned<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I'm just using my last gasps to maybe help others see a bit better, and maybe second some notions that others already had in their heads, as if to give these notions some legitimacy that others on this board try hard to deny.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

so get that out of your head. This isn't an echo chamber and I never meant it to be one. Disagree as much as you like. Just please, observe the rules of the house. <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>No personal attacks, no racist posts, no discussion of Holocaust "hoaxes," and no cries of "disinfo agent."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>So, take a deep breath. Is that really so egregious? <br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Professorpan, I'm not speaking for Hugh, but you epitomize the mentioned cointelpro tactics. You, Dream's End, and Qutb could hardly do a better job if you were paid disinformers. Those who can't see that yet I ask, politely but pleadingly, of you to please think hard about all the 'distractions' that these three focus so much of there time upon.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I count myself in good company. Thanks!<br><br>But really -- "Cointelpro tactics"? That's rich. I guess I'll add it to "Christian hater" and "Satanist" on my RI resumé. <br><br>However, I do discern a pattern here. Whenever there is a disagreement, it has become <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>de rigeur</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> among a subset of participants to cry out "disinformation agent!" and then, when challenged about the assertion, the accuser fades into the woodwork. I suspect, heath7, that you will follow Mr. Smoots' example and not provide any evidence of your screwball accusations? I mean, if you're going to impugn someone's motives, doesn't the accused deserve some details? Or do you prefer to operate under Gitmo style justice?<br><br>Or would that be asking too much? <p></p><i></i>

[heath7]

I will take a deep breath before I respond... <p></p><i></i>

[snowlion2]

I don't want to turn up the heat here anymore...in fact, I'd like to unplug the stove and pitch it off the balcony and pop a beer with the lot of you; we could all put up our feet, light a cigar or the combustible of your choice, and just chill for a while. But I am wondering...and I'm a little confused. Would it be possible to agree with the generally accepted facts (who, how many, where, etc.) of the Holocaust and/or not accept controlled demolition of the WTC without being labeled an agent or accused of spreading disinfo? It is just another <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>opinion</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.....isn't it? Call me naive....unintelligent...or just wrong....but does simple disagreement about certain subjects always have to be met with accusations instead of (or sometimes, to be fair, in addition to) genuine debate?<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>On edit: I guess I could have just ditto'd Professors post above...but I think we were typing at the same time. Great minds, or maybe PP got the message I sent him on my secret decoder ring....</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=snowlion2>snowlion2</A> at: 3/13/06 7:22 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

When I wrote "don't feed cointelpro tactics" I meant...<br><br>No one would better like us to accuse each other and get chilled on 'code words' than those who don't want us here at all.<br><br>I don't see anyone here other than the now-departed Mr. Hoax Thread as hostile.<br><br>But we can innocently do things that add more heat than light. I know I have and regretted it. <br><br>I'm trying to say: WWCDADDI<br>"<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>W</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->hat <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>W</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->ould <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>C</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->ointelpro <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>D</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->o <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->nd <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>D</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->on't <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>D</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->o <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->t."<br><br>Gods Bless Us Every One...lol.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[NavnDansk]

person and I thought thumperton just had a gentle and creative humor.<br><br>I think I will probably go to GodLikeProductions where thumperton did his second notes to a girl gentle, harmless creative "hoax".<br><br>I think we need both comic relief from the fear generating and horrific actions of the bush regime and also the creativity of thumperton and Floyd.<br><br>The Gitmo like actions seem like those of Jeff for banning people without giving a good reason. It is true Jeff pays for the bandwidth and is a fascinating writer and thinker but I am really brought down by these bannings.<br><br>The Kubrick thread was the most brilliant and creative on this board and that creativity is needed to solve our many problems.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Floyd, you are a great, gentle and warm human being.<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Please go to Feingold's website and thank him for standing alone to try to preserve our civil rights in his actions today to try to hold the bush regime accountable for their very real violations of our privacy in the NSA Domestic Spying Scandal.<br><br>Feingold has several very good petitions on this site to offer solidary with him and the very few in government who are risking a lot to try to stop some of this bushco horror.<br><br>"<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/">www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[john doe]

I think one reason thumper was banned is because everything he would have posted after his outing would have been accompanied by people saying "this guys a liar", "he lied then, he's probably lying now", etc. etc. ad nauseum infinitum...<br><br>More juvenile crap to entertain the toddlers...<br><br>But yeah- he's now gone on to the main comment section with posts like "niggah, niggah," etc... what class.<br><br>So no- we should have just left him here, right? "Gee, my kids not a delinquent, he's just misunderstood, blah, blah."<br><br>C'mon- He'll get over it and find some other board to infest with his pubescence. Hopefully.<br><br><br>You gotta' nip that shit in the bud before it festers. Hey- better late than never.<br><br><br>(edited for even more profanity uttered in exasperation) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=johndoe@rigorousintuition>john doe</A> at: 3/14/06 3:32 am<br></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Floyd, you are a great, gentle and warm human being.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Most great, gentle, warm human beings I know don't go around smearing those who disagree with them and telling people to eat shit and die.<br><br>Warm and gentle my ass. <p></p><i></i>