Is there a prevailing opinion about Wayne Madsen?

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Re: if you prefer to believing madsen than your own eyes

Postby AlicetheCurious » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:13 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Wayne Madsen is absolutely fearless and goes to subjects (like the WH-requisitioned sodomy in abu Ghraib) that few other blogs will touch.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah, that was one of the items that in fact, convinced me that there was something fishy about Madsen. The allegation is so incredibly inflammatory -- no problem, if there's even a shred of evidence to back it up. I waited. And waited. And nothing. As though the torture and evil of what the Americans did in Abu Ghraib was not bad enough. Madsen muddied the waters with this wild statement that the tortures and rapes of children had been committed and recorded for the viewing enjoyment of the White House, apparently just to sow confusion and blow smoke among those pushing for investigations into the actual, proven war crimes for which there is irrefutable evidence.<br><br>That's just one example among several I could name, but if you read his stuff carefully, I'm sure you'll find the item of his that'll ring your own alarm bells. Does it totally discredit him? I don't know, but if you come across an item of his that intrigues you, I would tread carefully rather than grabbing and running with it <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wayne Madsen

Postby steve vegas » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:53 pm

To greencrow0:<br><br>I started the thread out of curiosity, not to discredit. I actually liked the guy before this. Now I'll proceed with a more critical eye. I may not take this stuff as seriously as others, I enjoy reading almost everything, up to and including surfing the apocalypse and rumor mill news, though the latter not so much any more due to its overbearing fox news/right wing flavor. The danger for me personally comes when the topic touches me emotionally. That's when I feel I need more insight into the writer, and I find that the opinions of others help me to make a judgement. I post these questions here out of genuine curiosity, I don't really have any other outlet for this kind of speculation, I don't know anybody in Taiwan that reads Wayne Madsen, or has any interest in any of the other material that I'm interested in. I wasn't trying to start a "hit" thread on WM. Again, thanks to everyone for their comments.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why you should be cautious of Madsen

Postby NewKid » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:55 pm

If nothing else, his batting average sucks. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why you should be cautious of Madsen

Postby greencrow0 » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:55 pm

To Alicethecurious<br><br>When the pictures of abu Ghraib were first released, particularly those with the nude pyramids of men....I immediately became suspicious. These were very unusual pictures...the illuminati symbol of the pyramid...the homo-erotic elements...I was convinced that it was a 'special request' by somebody who had a lot of power to make stuff like this happen...after all...who would risk doing this if they didn't get permission from really high up.<br><br>Then there was the Jeff Gannon scandal ...a gay prostitute who had after hours entre to the WH. And a lot of other stuf...I became convinced that the White House was behind the photos...and THEN came Wayne Madsen with his expose that suggested just that.<br><br>So Wayne Madsen backed up what I believed for months.<br><br>to steve vargas.<br><br>So many times on the forum....people start up threads based on personalities...particularly left wing bloggers...and it always ends up with that person's reputation being attacked.<br><br>After a while, you automatically dismiss these kinds of ad hominem discussions.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>GC<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why you should be cautious of Madsen

Postby dbeach » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:15 pm

IF Madsen is so unreliable..<br><br>Then who is reliable?<br><br>I think that a collective conditioning has used us to accept ONLY what the MM spoon feeds<br><br>despite the proven record of the liberals like NY Times or Conservatives like Wash Post who play footsy with each other in order to protect the dastardly deeds of the ruling elites..<br><br>Jones Artic Beacon Madsen David Icke get constantly smeared..as liars and frauds..<br><br>Yet the more diabolical liars and frauds sit cozily on your TV<br>as talking heads /feds on MM channels everywhere..<br><br>airports hospitals dentists malls..ect..praising the bushwar machine and demonizing whatever the offering of the day is..<br><br>Its a war an info war and the Truth seekers who inhabit this forum are trapped behind enemy lines doing their best to resist the fasciscimos.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why you should be cautious of Madsen

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:21 pm

If Madsen trips your trigger, dbeach, then go for it. He doesn't trip mine. I want more than he provides. <p></p><i></i>
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Predicting future Terrorist Attacks

Postby greencrow0 » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:43 pm

A cottage industry has grown up around the above...almost all the bloggers do it or try to...<br><br>One of the incentives to do this kind of peering into a crystal ball is the real likelihood that another or several mass murdering terrorist attacks like 9/11 are being planned.<br><br>For instance, I myself predict one this summer in Winnipeg, Saskatchewan when the US National Guards and the Canadian Armed Forces are teaming up to rampage through the city streets on an 'urban warfare drill'.<br><br>Why did I write some MP's about my fears? Because 'drills' have been one of the MO's of the cabal and their false flag operations in NYC and the London Underground.<br><br>So, just in order to 'pre-empt' the perps from trying anything funny in Winnepeg....I wrote some bits about it on various forums and then wrote to some Cdn MP's including the Minister of Defense [who, amazingly, in his response to me seemed to be unaware that there were military drills...including one involving NORAD...going on on September 11, 2001].<br><br>It's sort of the 'I know that you know that I know that you know' strategy.<br><br>Hoping that if enough people are alerted the perps will drop their schemes.<br><br>So, maybe that's what Wayne Madsen was doing when and if he predicted a terrorist attack on the west coast during the US election.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>GC<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Predicting future Terrorist Attacks

Postby greencrow0 » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:50 pm

Sorry I must be really tired after a long week's work...I said Winnipeg was in Saskatchewan...it's in Manitoba.<br><br>Here is the newspaper report about the upcoming drill:<br><br> <br> <br> Army to occupy downtown<br>Spring exercise to turn city into 'battleground' <br>Winnipeg Free Press/David O'Brien | January 4 2006 <br>MORE than 500 army troops, backed by helicopters, armoured vehicles and artillery, will turn downtown Winnipeg into an armed camp as part of a military exercise to train soldiers for the modern battlefield. <br><br>Exercise Charging Bison will unfold for seven days and nights beginning April 30 next year in what is believed to be the largest urban warfare training exercise of its kind ever held in Canada. <br><br>There won't be live ammunition, but there will be laser weapons and a variety of blanks and 'simunition' -- or simulated munitions -- that make noise and smoke or discharge harmless projectiles. <br><br>The drill is designed to simulate the kind of complex conditions soldiers would encounter in places such as Afghanistan and Iraq, where conventional warfare is conducted simultaneously with humanitarian relief operations and nation-building, said Col. Kelly Woiden, commander of 38 Brigade. <br><br>Urban battlefields are sometimes known as "three-block wars" because troops could help people on one block, fight insurgents on another, and guard convoys on another, Woiden explained.<br><br>"We're going to create a realistic environment of the situation that individual soldiers can face today," he said. "You could be doing humanitarian relief one moment and then fighting a war the next. It is the most complicated terrain for a soldier." <br><br>The operation is also part of a long-term plan to prepare 200 of the brigade's soldiers to support a 1,000-person task force in 2008, if necessary, he said. <br><br>The 38 Brigade is a reserve unit responsible for a dozen formations in Saskatchewan, Manitoba and northwestern Ontario. <br><br>It will provide most of the personnel for the exercise, although some will come from British Columbia and Alberta, and possibly from the United States, Woiden said, adding 17 Wing will also provide logistics support. <br><br>About 100 police officers and civilians will be given a role in the exercise, either as opposing forces or relief organizations. <br><br>The military may also recruit drama students from the University of Manitoba to play the roles of demonstrators or insurgents. <br><br>"The purpose is to learn and we may rerun the same scenario several times," Woiden said. <br>The operation will occupy a large swath of downtown Winnipeg from Balmoral Street on the west, south to the Assiniboine River, north to the CP Rail tracks and east into The Forks and St. Boniface. <br><br>Woiden said the exercise is still in the planning stages and the boundaries could change. A base camp will be established on the western edge of the city, but there will be smaller camps downtown, he said. <br><br>The exercise will continue night and day, but Woiden said he did not anticipate any significant disruption of traffic or commercial operations. <br><br>Military observers will keep score and determine who was killed and who was wounded during the exercise. <br>"This is different than traditional training when the infantry were facing open ground in front of them, with soldiers in a different uniform," Woiden said. "This is much more complex because we don't know who the enemy is or where the threats are." <br><br>Reserve units have been used in the past to fill out the ranks of the regular force, but Woiden said the military now wants the militia trained to higher level of combat readiness. <br><br> **********************<br><br>Regards,<br><br>GC<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Predicting future Terrorist Attacks

Postby dbeach » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:56 pm

the terrists have their MO right before us:<br><br>Mock drills to cover real attacks..<br><br>IF announcing that we suspect terristattacks during mock drills prevents one attack then it a stragedy..<br><br>its like saying maybe we cannot stop you but we know the govts are the real terrists..<br><br>Christ knew.<br><br>the history of govt is to protect their citizens to murder them<br>and to advance whatever their agenda is <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Predicting future Terrorist Attacks

Postby greencrow0 » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:00 am

Can you imagine anything more inappropriate for Canada than to have a large imperial country participating in a urban warfare 'drill' in one of our cities.<br><br>Canada...a resource rich, militarily vulnerable sovereign country....<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Just like Iraq USED to be?!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Predicting future Terrorist Attacks

Postby joyofsox » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:51 am

Army to occupy downtown<br>Spring exercise to turn city into 'battleground' <br>Winnipeg Free Press/David O'Brien | <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>January 4 2006</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>MORE than 500 army troops, backed by helicopters, armoured vehicles and artillery, will turn downtown Winnipeg into an armed camp as part of a military exercise to train soldiers for the modern battlefield. <br><br>Exercise Charging Bison will unfold for seven days and nights <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>beginning April 30 next year</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in what is believed to be the largest urban warfare training exercise of its kind ever held in Canada. <br><br>**************************<br><br>So is this scheduled for 2006 or 2007? From the story, it sounds like 2007. Seems like a long ways away to write about if that is the case.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why you should be cautious of Madsen

Postby FranklinCase Admin » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:09 am

I would have to agree with chiggerbit's assertion regarding Madsen <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> If Madsen trips your trigger, dbeach, then go for it. He doesn't trip mine. I want more than he provides.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Additionally I couldn't agree more with Lizzy Dearborn's identification of his site as being a "geeky" and "homespun" rendition of what I feel is classic disinfo, that being 90% truth, 10% fiction. His site eerily reminds me of the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.donniedarko.com/CV/cv.html"><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Cunning Visions Inc's</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> site</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->; Jim Cunningham's fictional site from the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Donnie Darko</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> movie, which is being so wonderfully discussed <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=3692.topic&start=1&stop=20">at the RI board.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Madsen's credibility

Postby ewastud » Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:10 am

I generally find him to be credible, but admittedly, it is a matter of faith almost because he claims anonymous, insider sources for much of his information. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to confirm or refute a good deal of what he writes about. Perhaps you might say that is an inherent problem for someone being on the leading edge of what is happening, and off by himself for the most part. <br><br> For what it is worth, though, my sister is a veteran journalist for a mainstream newspaper on the east coast. She abhors the propaganda disseminated by the MSM, too, like us. She has corresponded with Madsen anonymously, exchanging some info about some relatively secret gov't facilities which are unknown to most of the rest of us. She finds him credible and believes he generally has good sources, which is what is reallly important to a journalist. She recognizes the problems of the anonymity of his sources, but is not bothered by it. Also, the satellite radio/internet radio show Ring of Fire hosted by Robert Kennedy, Jr., has had Madsen on from time to time, and Kennedy seems to think Madsen is credible, so I tend to do so, too.<br><br>However, some of Madsen's information, I think, has been absorded from his long experience in the corridors of power and a good intuition to connect dots before all the details emerge in the picture. I would like to see him footnote or reference the information in his articles which are verifiable or originate from other published sources, more like scholars or professional journalists like Pete Brewton, Robert Parry, Peter Dale Scott, John Marks, or Alfred McCoy. He does not do that very much. <br><br>BTW, the acronym "NOC" in relation Valerie Plame questioned about by other posters means "non-official cover" -- meaning that she and Brewster-Jennings were operating under the cover of a private, non-governmental entity in their intelligence gathering. If their cover was blown, the US govmint was not to admit to having any relation to them. They had less government protection and were more at risk. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: why you should be cautious of Madsen

Postby hmm » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:11 am

greencrow0,<br>as someone who is so far to the left wing that i sometimes rub shoulders with libertarians maybe i can clarify...<br>To me the main problem is not bush, its the american system, to the people of south america for example it mattered little if it was bush or jfk who was running the show..<br>Madsen was a part of that show in one of its darkest hours.<br><br>I find the idea that people like bush would get a kick out of the abu ghraib abuse photo's credible, but that doesnt make someone who claims that without evidence credible because he says what i want to believe.<br><br>what i also find so hard to understand is how obviously intelligent people, who have passed the first hurdle and have stopped drinking the government sanctioned cool-aid, then suspend disbelief, and accept as gospel truths any theory regardless of evidence or facts.<br><br>later in the thread you illustrate what i mean when you discussed your theory regarding the military exercises.<br>This is in my eyes the correct way of advancing a theory, you referred to a mainstream article, drew your conclusions from it and presented the idea, we can then discuss the idea. If the event does not transpire no harm is done, your reputation is intact.<br>This is the opposite of "anonymous sources tell me there is going to be an attack against target x around date y"<br><br>To answer the charge you made that this is a ad hominem discussion or attack on madsen, i admit i used harsh words to describe madsen but i feel i justified my use of words with a concrete and specific example that anyone can verify with their own eyes.<br><br>I kept it to one specific example a lie about a fact.<br><br>This is not about left or right wing, or about competing theories and philosophical differences.<br>Anyone on this board can look at this fact, anyone can argue it with me or show me where i am in error.<br>as nobody yet has seemed willing or able to do this, my statement that madsen is a willful liar stands and i feel free to theorise about the reason for this.<br><br>if you felt personally attacked by me i offer my apologies as that is not and was not my intention.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: if not madsen who is reliable?I vote for Alex Jones

Postby hmm » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:28 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>IF Madsen is so unreliable..<br><br>Then who is reliable?<br><br>I think that a collective conditioning has used us to accept ONLY what the MM spoon feeds<br><br>despite the proven record of the liberals like NY Times or Conservatives like Wash Post who play footsy with each other in order to protect the dastardly deeds of the ruling elites..<br><br>Jones Artic Beacon Madsen David Icke get constantly smeared..as liars and frauds..<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The conditioning never really worked on me but i do favour mainstream sources as you can often find the same basic facts conspiracy theorists work from there.<br><br>i think its a good question, who is credible..<br><br>i dont think anybody should have automatic credibility, and we should be especially suspicious when they say the things we want to hear.<br><br>of all the wilder theorists, and those smeared most often, i would say Alex Jones is a good example of someone with some credibility.<br>he makes mistakes, and i dont always agree with him, but he comes across as someone searching for the truth instead of presenting us with his truth. <p></p><i></i>
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