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Disinfo site attacks Jeff Wells, Rigorous Intuition. others

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:56 pm

I've long thought that much online anti-semitism isn't genuine but is a device to discredit certain targets by linking to them. I was right.<br><br>A disinformation website called TheTruthSeeker.co.uk has listed Jeff Wells and Robert Fisk and Dahr Jamail as "its columnists" in an effort to rope them into Holocaust denial by association.<br><br>This is <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>an internet infowar tactic to discredit investigative work</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> by first luring in a range of internet readers with hot topics like 9/11 or alternative medicine.<br><br>But sprinkled around the disinfo site, mostly unnoticed, are <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>anti-Jewish articles placed like landmines for the controlled-demolition of the credibility of information from investigative journalists</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> placed on the disinfo site.<br><br>The 9/11-heavy links on the front page of TheTruthSeeker -<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>A Holocaust Denial link on front page of TheTruthSeeker - <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/link.asp?ID=5252&URL=http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/index.html">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(More on David Cole at Auschwitz<br>Video: David Cole at Auschwitz)<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But there are some people who maintain these claims of mass murder have never been proven.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> These people point to the lack of documentation other than the highly questionable and partially discredited evidence supplied by the Soviet Union at the Nuremberg Trials and the unreliable nature of the eyewitness testimonies, many of which have also been discredited. (For example, many former camp inmates, as well as American soldiers, still speak of "gassing" at the Dachau camp in Germany, even though it is no longer held that any [homicidal] gas chamber was ever in use at that camp.)<br><br> Still, the Holocaust is an event that has seemingly grown in importance since the end of the war, taught as fact...usually accepted without question.<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But how do we know it really happened?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> What "proofs" are offered for those not willing to take history on faith alone?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The fake list of "columnists" on front page of TheTruthSeeker - <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Columnists<br>•         Charley Reese<br>•         Christopher Bollyn<br>•         Dahr Jamail<br>•         Greg Szymanski<br>•         Henry Makow Ph.D.<br>•         Israel Shamir<br>•         Joe Vialls<br>•         John Kaminski<br>•         John Pilger<br>•         Kurt Nimmo<br>•         Paul Joseph Watson<br>•         <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Rigorous Intuition</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>•         Riverbend<br>•         Rixon Stewart<br>•         Robert Fisk<br>•         T Stokes<br>•         Uri Avnery<br>•         Wayne Madsen<br>•         Xymphora<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here's TheTruthSeeker's link to 'Rigorous Intuition - <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/columnist.asp?ID=16">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/....asp?ID=16</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Rigorous Intuition<br>Jeff Wells, a Canadian writer and commentator, who describes himself as “cautiously pessimistic”<br><br>Sort order: Most recent first, Oldest first, A to Z<br>Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld<br>Inside, Outside<br>Duck's Head Soup<br>Chant Down Babylon<br>In the Air<br>Iraq’s Hutu Radio<br>What Lies Beneath<br>Why They Fight<br>Full Spectral Dominance (Part Two)<br>Full Spectral Dominance (Part One)<br>Bad medicine (Part Two)<br>Bad Medicine (Part One)<br>My baby needs a shepherd<br>“And your little dog, too”<br>What about Bob?<br>In the Colosseum<br>The Left, the Right and the Wrong<br>It’s All in Your Mind<br>Phantoms, Daemons and Finders<br>“The Birth Pangs of a New Order”<br>Bill Bennett and the Great White Brotherhood<br>"You Can’t Go Home Again"<br>It doesn't take a weatherman<br>Carry on Killing<br>The Fortune in Men’s Eyes<br>Army Times: "Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans"<br>Catastrophic Success<br>What Do Kids Know?<br>Walpurgisnacht<br>The boy who cried Wolfowitz<br>The Annotated ‘German Guy’<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Disinfo site attacks Jeff Wells, Rigorous Intuition. oth

Postby professorpan » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:27 pm

You may be correct. But it's a common practice for sites to rip off (dare I say hijack?) the content of others. It happened to me -- my "Sex, Drugs, Mind Control, and Torture" article got posted on all sorts of sites, including the Nazi-lover Rense's. <br><br>Without evidence to back it up, I think the simpler theory -- that truthseeker.org is snagging content and labeling the writers as "columnists" to increase traffic -- is more likely.<br><br>Jeff could always ask to have his content removed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Disinfo site attacks Jeff Wells, Rigorous Intuition. oth

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:27 pm

Here's another inflammatory link on the TheTruthSeeker's second page that goes beyond criticising today's government of Israel policies to something more...elemental.<br><br>Pee-yew. This stuff stinks.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/link.asp?ID=5064&URL=http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/readtalmudlately.html">www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...ately.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(Have You Read the Talmud Lately?)<br><br>That link takes you to a Christian site very concerned with 'false Jewish leaders' based on readings of bible scripture.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.truthtellers.org/index.html">www.truthtellers.org/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> *LATEST ALERT*<br><br> * 11 Oct 06 - <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Pedophilia: The Talmud's Dirty Secret</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> * 04 Oct 06 - <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ACLU Top Heavy with Jews<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> * 02 Oct 06 - To Pray or Not to Pray ... in Jesus' Name<br><br> * 22 Sep 06 - <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Judaism and Homosexuality: A Marriage Made in Hell</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Welcome to 3 years ago =P

Postby chillin » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:28 pm

TS and other heavily Jewish conspiracy oriented sites have been linking to Jeff's blog for years. I agree with you that since 9/11 there seems to be a concerted effort to associate consipiracy investigation with Jew-hating, tinfoil hats, etc.. <br><br>I wonder if all the effort is partly due to the popularity of the X-Files making fringe conspiracies more credible to the whole generation that watched it so much. <br><br>X-Files = conspiracies are cool, often truthy<br><br>Post 9/11 = conspiracies are the domain of wild-eyed nazis<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Disinfo site attacks Jeff Wells, Rigorous Intuition. oth

Postby professorpan » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:34 pm

Yeah, it's disgusting stuff. <br><br>Anti-Semites like to surround their poison with honey, hoping the poison will be swallowed unnoticed. <br><br>Whether or not they are on a mission to discredit Jeff and other writers is hard to tell. They know that an easy path to Jew-hating winds its way through conspiracy theory and parapolitics -- history makes that abundantly clear. So it doesn't surprise me that the honey they're using includes Jeff's (and others') material.<br><br>Evidence of a plot to discredit Jeff? Hardly. Suggestive? Sure. Worth digging into. <p></p><i></i>
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Zionism and Anti Semitism

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:49 pm

Do any of you distinguish between anti-zionism and anti-semitism?<br><br>I think there is a very big difference. One attacks PEOPLE, the other attacks the leaders of those people.<br><br>Lets be careful not to lump together.<br><br><br>Many, many Jewish people are rabidly against zionism.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/12/06 11:53 am<br></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Without evidence to back it up, I think the simpler theory -- that truthseeker.org is snagging content and labeling the writers as "columnists" to increase traffic -- is more likely.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You are theorizing "Without evidence" ?! But...but...lol.<br>Without building a straw man claim that 'every single thing is done by Them,' I would make a case against "simpler theory" as a starting point for analyzing media.<br><br>Example: Right now I'm listening to an Amy Goodman interview with a NYTimes limited hang-out journalist named Steven Kinzer peddling his book about US military interventions focusing all his time on Hawaii in the 19th century plus a little 'blame-it-all-on-Allen Dulles' to touch on the 1950s. <br>Simple view: Wow! He's on our anti-imperialist side! The tipping point!<br>Realistic view: 'They' want us to think of US imperialism as ancient history. Hawaii. sheesh.<br><br>Does what you know about politics and infowar support "simpler theory?"<br><br>(Sorry to hear your essay got linked to places you'd rather not go. Yes, it is common. )<br><br>Does the choice of hijacked "columnists" (a form of keyword hijacking, by the way) tell you the target audience? And what does that tell you about motive?<br><br>If mere traffic is the goal, why not hijack DemocraticUnderground or some other much more highly trafficked site or columnist like 'Daily Kos.'<br><br>No, that doesn't make sense.<br><br>Obviously, the question is one of motive. And TheTruthSeeker gets too much right to believably get other things so wrong.<br><br>And that spells deliberately mixed messages to me for a specific motive, infowar.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MP warns about Zionism vs Anti Semitism

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:55 pm

Sure, that's a discussion almost guaranteed to be an instant quagmire and I think just the density of that topic is used to sandbag boards like a cosh to the collective karma. "Oh gawd, not this again."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And that's why I specifically showed the Holocaust denial links at TheTruthseeker.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MP warns about Zionism vs Anti Semitism

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:57 pm

Yes, they use that fine line to their advantage. No doubt. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby professorpan » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:15 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Example: Right now I'm listening to an Amy Goodman interview with a NYTimes limited hang-out journalist named Steven Kinzer peddling his book about US military interventions focusing all his time on Hawaii in the 19th century plus a little 'blame-it-all-on-Allen Dulles' to touch on the 1950s. <br>Simple view: Wow! He's on our anti-imperialist side! The tipping point!<br>Realistic view: 'They' want us to think of US imperialism as ancient history. Hawaii. sheesh.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There's always a "they" behind everything in your inflated conspiracy, isn't there? Can you even consider the possibility that Kinzer is sincere in his beliefs? <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Does what you know about politics and infowar support "simpler theory?"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no. I base my theorizing on evidence, not presumed ideas about how it all works.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Does the choice of hijacked "columnists" (a form of keyword hijacking, by the way) tell you the target audience? And what does that tell you about motive?<br><br>If mere traffic is the goal, why not hijack DemocraticUnderground or some other much more highly trafficked site or columnist like 'Daily Kos.'<br><br>No, that doesn't make sense.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sure it does. Truthseeker isn't a mainstream liberal site. It's conspiracy theory oriented. Hence their decision to use material from Jeff's site, among others. <br><br>The simplest explanation is that the site grabs conspiracy-flavored material where it can. Sites that get a lot of readers, like RI, are obvious targets. <br><br>I have no idea who runs the site. I have no idea what their beliefs are, beyond knowing that they post some ugly, anti-Semitic material. You're making an assumption that they have an agenda to discredit researchers -- and assumptions can be wrong.<br><br>I really don't understand why you can't offer your theories up for objective evaluation and consideration by others, without the need to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>believe</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>proselytize</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> so strongly. There might be something to this idea, but it might be wrong. When I suggest a theory, I like to get intelligent criticism because it helps me refine my own thinking. <br><br>I guess we just operate differently. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:29 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I base my theorizing on evidence, not presumed ideas about how it all works.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I have used evidence to actually arrive at an "idea about how it all works"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> is "paranoid and irrational?" That doesn't make sense.<br><br>What a circular argument that is. "You've reached conclusions I haven't so you don't do it right."<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Eventually you should actually articulate what your "idea about how it all works" instead of using discrediting me to voice disagreement.<br><br>Perhaps I help you focus on your own view by being a foil. <br>(Your welcome.) But "put up or..."<br>And I mean that in an amicable way, not hostile.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby professorpan » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:51 pm

You are taking a fact -- that Jeff is listed as a columnist on a site with anti-Semitic content -- and extrapolating from that fact by suggesting the site owners are <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>consciously plotting to discredit him.<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>That's a presumption. A theory. It might be true, and it might not. Can I say, "yes, Hugh, that is 100% correct?" Of course not. You have taken one fact and built a theory on it. Barring further corroboration, it can only remain a theory.<br><br>That's all I'm saying. Why you can't acknowledge that your theory is simply that -- a theory -- is what constantly perplexes me. And why challenges to your theory -- made in good faith, with no malicious intent -- are taken as attacks -- also does not make sense.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:53 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And I mean that in an amicable way, not hostile.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hugh.....you're such a fun guy to have around.<br><br>:P<br><br>About this disinfo about Jeff, I don't give too much of a crap who says what, Hitler and his Nazi Brotherhood roasted 27 of my relatives in the Death Camps, and they weren't Jews, so 'Holocost Denial' crap really pisses me off when most of the time, the biggest denial regarding it is that only Jews suffered under it. If anyone finds themselves in St Petersburg, Florida, there's a really beautiful Holocost Museum that's worth anyone's time here. It was dedicated to ALL the victims of the Holocost, including scientists, proffesorslesbians, certain religious followers, and worst of all, FREE THINKERS..<br><br>Jeff's my bro, and these dickheads can shove it up their ass.<br><br>Good morning, btw..<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>____________________<br>Wehret den Anfängen</p><i></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:40 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why you can't acknowledge that your theory is simply that -- a theory<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Of course it is a theory.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> There. Do you feel better now? <br><br>This is really all about 'certainty,' not the topics I'm bringing up, isn't it? Some I'm certain of and others are hypothesis. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I am absolutely certain keyword hijacking happens and my examples of Paperclip and Eichmanns are proof of it. Absolutely certain.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>I have many other examples I haven't posted here that I hypothesize are the same, perhaps with less certainty.<br><br>Sheesh. Is our tete-a-tete being fueled by your need for me to cry "Theory!" - I mean, "Uncle?" Does just my tone of certainty bring out your mirror urge to be just as 'black-and-white' and declare "nunh-unh, you're weird" and thus claim to be 'more rational than thou?'<br><br>My Definition: Theory-<br>A rationally-arrived at hypothesis based on known facts plus perceived patterns integrated as a predictive algorithm for analyzing phenomena.<br><br>Online Definition: Theory<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/theory">www.webster-dictionary.or...ion/theory</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>WordNet Dictionary<br>Noun 1. theory - <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> 2. theory - a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"<br>Synonyms: hypothesis, possibility<br> 3. theory - a belief that can guide behavior; "the architect has a theory that more is less"; "they killed him on the theory that dead men tell no tales"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Means - motive- opportunity - precedent - evidence.<br><br>I have no "proof" Chip Berlet is a Them but but I'm certain of it from applying the above. Is that rational enough for you or are you going to declare me paranoid for that certainty?<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/12/06 2:16 pm<br></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:16 pm

I think everything is controlled by a group of elite bankers (who happen to be 33rd degree masons), right down to the color of tie bush wears.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Of course im only half serious, but....this is somewhat accurate. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/12/06 2:17 pm<br></i>
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