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Postby Quentin Quire » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:21 pm

Hmmm.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Let's face it -- a new terror attack is the only thing that can salvage the neocon experiment. Such an attack is therefore inevitable. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The threat of terror, the threat of war and the threat of apocalypse is a very powerful thing indeed.<br><br>THEY realise that. And that's why it is consistently brought up. Because it is to THEIR advantage.<br><br>If we take the thesis that the Elite (and when I say Elite please substitute your bugbear of choice - whether it be the Illuminati, NWO, The Crown, Bush Co.) at some point will take power in a major coup then --<br><br>The question is - quite simply - why has this not occurred already?<br><br>If as most proponents of para-politics (myself included) believe they have the capacity to do so, whether through a real war or a engineered event, why has it yet to happen?<br><br>My take - and yes, it's my opinion and I do not have the 'facts' to back it up - is that it would not be beneficial to those who would gain from it.<br><br>The prime tactic in the Elite playbook is to 'rule by fear'. To occasionally demonstrate their power - JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, 911 - without having to take it to the next level. To allow their opponents to focus on the microcosm of a few events rather than the macrocosm of plans behind it.<br><br>Regardless of your beliefs the Cold War did not result in Russian and US children ducking and covering under school desks as nuclear radiation rained down among them.<br><br>The creation of enemies, whether Iran, Saddam, Communist Vietnam, Communist Russia, Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan is the base for any form of 'psy-op'.<br><br>If THEY had the power, the means and opportunity to seriously take over the world through fair means or foul it would have occured by now.<br><br>Fear is the basest emotion known to man and the easiest to play upon. And as society advances there will always be a new fear to prey upon, whether it's padophiles in schools, peak oil, the US advances into russian/asian oil fields, the internet etc. and ad infinitum.<br><br>The power is not in the result, not in the outcome but in the threat of what MAY occur. Because taking over the world, bringing forth the apocalypse - there's no margin in it. Where's the profit? Surely it makes more sense to keep us down with empty threats as we continue to pay taxes and roll over?<br><br>'Cui Bono'. No one profits from complete subjugation, enslavement or destruction.<br><br>These f***kers have turned 'fear' into an artform.<br><br>It's about time we decided not be scared anymore.<br><br>(Caveat - this is all IMHO - In My Humble Opinion. Because I've had a few beers and have been listening to Rage Against The Machine ...) <p></p><i></i>
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Postby NewKid » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:39 pm

Good point QQ. I think there has to be a certain amount of elite consensus to do anything like massive fake terror attacks. I don't think Wolfowitz and Ledeen just go off and do it by themselves. Unless there's a great desperation, which there might be, it's not something that would happen. <br><br>Once you have a new bogeyman like AQ, then you can go a long while with that. 9-11 gave us that and put us back on to a footing of never ending fear and war. I think you may be seeing a struggle in elite circles right now about whether they will take it to the next step. <br><br>As a long term matter, I have to think there are serious concerns about the future of society with the rapid technological changes coming down the pipe in the next 20 years. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Quentin Quire » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:11 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As a long term matter, I have to think there are serious concerns about the future of society with the rapid technological changes coming down the pipe in the next 20 years. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I agree. But these are the issues which ARE important to the masses that are disguised as they blind us with 'peak oil/controlled demolition/war on terror etc etc.'<br><br>It's in this case my views crossover with Hugh Manatee Wins - that the MSM news and media play up the problems we SHOULD be focusing upon that they control whilst we ignore the issues that will really change the paradigm we live in.<br><br>To me it seems like a game of 'Full Card Monte'. The MSM believe it's a valid game, the alternative internet press know it's a rigged game but can't stop it and the f***kers running the game know as soon as they get busted they can stand on another street corner and play the game afresh.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby NewKid » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:19 pm

QQ, have you looked at any of the futurists' books (Kurzweill's is probably the most famous)? There are several of them talking about how crazy the very near future will be and some of them predict some wild shit. But none of them can claim to know, and I have to think neither can anyone in Washington, New York or London. <br><br>I mean some of them are talking about a fundamental change in the human race as we know it. If there's anything that might prompt concerns to dispose of a bunch a people on the planet, I see this as one of them. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Quentin Quire » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:38 pm

As much as I'm involved in the para-politics of our current age I'm also very interested in the 'occult' theories of the coming eschaton. Not to say I believe that in 2012 we will suddenly be plunged into an apocalyptic hell or a mayan heaven but It's my personal belief that humanity is better than the enslaved shell and paradigm we are currently exist in.<br><br>And don't get me wrong - I'm not an occultist, magician or any of the other labels that some may apply.<br><br>I hope that humanity can move forward - through knowledge, conscience, hope, faith and love.<br><br>The majority of people deserve better than the life they live.<br><br>I hope there is a fundamental change coming. And I hope it's coming soon. I don't pretend to espouse an agenda or ideology as to how this will occur but I believe it will come through the majority exposing the minority for their continual crimes.<br><br>This may sound cliched, trad and inappropriate but to paraphrase from the Shawshank Redemption --<br><br>'Fear can hold a man prisoner. Only hope can set him free.'<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:57 pm

QQ said:<br>--quote--<br>I hope that humanity can move forward - through knowledge, conscience, hope, faith and love.<br><br>The majority of people deserve better than the life they live.<br><br>I hope there is a fundamental change coming. And I hope it's coming soon. I don't pretend to espouse an agenda or ideology as to how this will occur but I believe it will come through the majority exposing the minority for their continual crimes.<br><br>This may sound cliched, trad and inappropriate but to paraphrase from the Shawshank Redemption --<br><br>'Fear can hold a man prisoner. Only hope can set him free.'<br><br>--unquote--<br>Hear-Hear! Well-said.<br><br>I can't presume to have a good handle on what's comin' down the pike -- I sure see the incentive the Bush-fronted neocons have to hold onto power thru the fear-and-terror scene they've orchestrated, and so expertly exploited for their financial syndicate partners. And I *see* the coming impasse-confrontation between the US and China -- as I'm sure others here as well as Russia, the EU, Latin America and Africa have taken note of. Perhaps MOST of America's foreign policy for the past 30 years has been primarily about securing strategic resources -- certainly that's key to understanding the US's adventuring in the Middle East and its alignment with/support of brutal Indonesian policies in East Timor and West Papua, and its coup-support/planning in Venezuela and its covert subsidy of Sudanese violence.<br><br>Elites' hold on power has featured, they've become extremely adept at molding public opinion through controlling the press (including electronic media) and exploiting social tension, esp. playing opposing factions/interests against each other. The 'result' is to keep people so at-odds with each other over incidentals that there's no possibility of reaching wide consensus over the truly BIG issues -- war and peace, environmental decay, Global Warming and climate-change, chemtrails, economic disparity and injustice, wise-use energy and develoipment policies, energy diversification, genocide, institutionalization of human rights abuses, war crimes, weapons proliferation, trafficing and exploitation of people, nationalized debt-indenture racketeering, false-flag terrorism, political-illegitimacy and election fraud, feudal-corporatization, privatized military-intelligence complex -- <br><br>JeeZ -- Have 'we' ever been farther from being able to actually forge international cooperation on tackling some of these issues? We've been distracted and our collective energies dissipated, rendered impotent to create and take-part in effective social institutions to tap into, make full use of our vast capacity for intelligent decision-making, imagination, resourcefulness, inspiration, generous sharing, cooperation, peaceful co-existence, empathy, problem-solving ...<br><br>Basically, we've 'lost' the courage to stand on principle and struggle for our beliefs -- we no longer have reason to trust our 'leaders' or have confidence in our social institutions as we see the tremendous betrayals and corruption that have watered-down our unifying ideals -- we didn't call our politicians on the appearance of hypocrisy and fraud, we didn't demand they be held accountable for saying one thing and doing another, we accepted the lies of the Warren Report, the Tonkin Affair, Iran-Contra, Watergate, OKC, support for a long succession of brutal anti-democratic despots, Death Squads, the 'Drug Wars', the 'Evil Empires' and the 'War' on Terror, 'Justice for All', quaint and obsolete Human Rights conventions, 'justifiable' pre-emptive attacks based on fake evidence -- <br><br>As a nation, we've 'bought' the free-lunch/no-fault bait hook-line-and-sinker, no questions asked (hardly) -- It's the end-justifies-means idealogues on behalf of money and power that have ripped us off, kidnapped our national will and bribed our conscience, employing the latest Pavlovian conditioning techniques to turn-off our critical mind and replace it with a capacity for brand-loyalty impulses and name-dropping as an aid to upwardly-mobile social climbing.<br><br>It's to be seen when and how this 'experiment' in social conditioning will fail, will the laboratory-modified, reprogrammed masses go-along with the program of plodding-along in their mental harnesses, or will they revolt -- and most importantly then, correctly identify who the master-controllers are who have been controlling events behind the scenes, or will they lash-out at a convenient target-scapegoat or fallguy 'them'?<br><br>I think we give the PTB too much credit if we imagine they have everything well-planned long in-advance -- in reality, I think the PTB are a more amorpheous 'group' of similiar but conflicting agendas and interests, with shifting alliances and tactics making-use of fluid-changing circumstances -- thus the difficulty in identifying WHO some of these characters are and how they are linked -- let alone WHAT, specifically, they intend, when and how.<br><br>Cripes, it's a puzzle. <br>But to keep it simple -- Anything that disempowers the individual, that misinforms them or prevents them from acting on their own and community best interests, or that prevents them from working constructively with others to develop peaceful solutions to problems, or makes them dependant on some authority or subject to arbitrary rulings or favors -- is generally NOT a good thing.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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