Bush won't rule out nuclear strike on Iran

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Bush won't rule out nuclear strike on Iran

Postby nomo » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:01 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>(WTF is wrong with these people??)<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bush won't rule out nuclear strike on Iran</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:12am<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-04-18T151553Z_01_L17370115_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN.xml">today.reuters.com/news/ar...R-IRAN.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>By Edmund Blair<br><br>TEHRAN (Reuters) - President Bush refused on Tuesday to rule out nuclear strikes against Iran if diplomacy fails to curb the Islamic Republic's atomic ambitions.<br><br>Iran, which says its nuclear programme is purely peaceful, told world powers it would pursue atomic technology, whatever they decide at a meeting in Moscow later in the day.<br><br>Bush said in Washington he would discuss Iran's nuclear activities with China's President Hu Jintao this week and avoided ruling out nuclear retaliation if diplomatic efforts fail.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Asked if options included planning for a nuclear strike, Bush replied: "All options are on the table. We want to solve this issue diplomatically and we're working hard to do so."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Speculation about a U.S. attack has mounted since a report in New Yorker magazine said this month that Washington was mulling the option of using tactical nuclear weapons to knock out Iran's subterranean nuclear sites. <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
nomo
 
Posts: 3388
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:48 pm
Location: New York City
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Bush won't rule out nuclear strike on Iran

Postby 4911 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:21 pm

Ve vill not rule oud anyzink. Ze eastern front is running at peak kapacity. All is vell und fine. Remain calm. Ze freedom of ze vorld ist at stake, jawohl. Ve vill give zees camel-herders freedom, even if ve must vaporise every last von of zem, und ourselves in ze process. A small preis to pay, vouldnt you akree? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 4/18/06 1:24 pm<br></i>
4911
 
Posts: 673
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:34 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold

Postby greencrow0 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:28 pm

This is the real reason why the nuclear 'option' is on the table. Russia and China are planning to double team the US on Iran in the UN at the end of the month. <br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>===================================<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HD18Ad02.html">www.atimes.com/atimes/Chi...8Ad02.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->By M K Bhadrakumar <br><br>"The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which maintained it had no plans for expansion, is now changing course. Mongolia, Iran, India and Pakistan, which previously had observer status, will become full members. SCO's decision to welcome Iran into its fold constitutes a political statement. Conceivably, SCO would now proceed to adopt a common position on the Iran nuclear issue at its summit meeting June 15. <br><br>Speaking in Beijing as recently as January 17, the organization's secretary general Zhang Deguang had been quoted by Xinhua news agency as saying: "Absorbing new member states needs a legal basis, yet the SCO has no rules concerning the issue. Therefore, there is no need for some Western countries to worry whether India, Iran or other countries would become new members." <br><br>The SCO, an Intergovernmental organization whose working languages are Chinese and Russian, was founded in Shanghai on June 15, 2001 by China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. The SCO's change of heart appears set to involve the organization in Iran's nuclear battle and other ongoing regional issues with the United States. <br><br>Visiting Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mohammadi told Itar-TASS in Moscow that the membership expansion "could make the world more fair". And he spoke of building an Iran-Russia "gas-and-oil arc" by coordinating their activities as energy producing countries. Mohammadi also touched on Iran's intention to raise the issue of his country's nuclear program and its expectations of securing SCO support. <br><br>The timing of the SCO decision appears to be significant. By the end of April the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to report to the United Nations Security Council in New York regarding Iran's compliance with the IAEA resolutions and the Security Council's presidential statement, which stresses the importance of Iran "reestablishing full, sustained suspension of uranium-enrichment activities". <br><br>The SCO membership is therefore a lifeline for Iran in political and economic terms. The SCO is not a military bloc but is nonetheless a security organization committed to countering terrorism, religious extremism and separatism. SCO membership would debunk the US propaganda about Iran being part of an "axis of evil". <br><br>The SCO secretary general's statement on expansion coincided with several Chinese and Russian commentaries last week voicing disquiet about the US attempts to impose UN sanctions against Iran. Comparison has been drawn with the Iraq War when the US seized on sanctions as a pretext for invading Iraq. <br><br>A People's Daily commentary on April 13 read: "The real intention behind the US fueling the Iran issue is to prompt the UN to impose sanctions against Iran, and to pave the way for a regime change in that country. The US's global strategy and its Iran policy emanate out of its decision to use various means, including military means, to change the Iranian regime. This is the US's set target and is at the root of the Iran nuclear issue." <br><br>The commentary suggested Washington seeks a regime change in Iran with a view to establishing American hegemony in the Middle East. Gennady Yefstafiyev, a former general in Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service, wrote: "The US's long term goals in Iran are obvious: to engineer the downfall of the current regime; to establish control over Iran's oil and gas; and to use its territory as the shortest route for the transportation of hydrocarbons under US control from the regions of Central Asia and the Caspian Sea bypassing Russia and China. This is not to mention Iran's intrinsic military and strategic significance." <br><br>Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said: "I would not be in a hurry to draw conclusions, because passions are too often being whipped up around Iran's nuclear program ... I would also advise not to whip up passions." <br><br>Sergei Kiriyenko, head of Russia's nuclear power agency and a former prime minister, said Iran was simply not capable of enriching uranium on an industrial scale. "It has long since been known that Iran has a 'cascade' of only 164 centrifuges, and obtaining low-grade uranium from this 'cascade' was only a matter of time. This did not come as a surprise to us." <br><br>Yevgeniy Velikhov, president of Kurchatov Institute, Russia's nuclear research center, told Tier-TASS, "Launching experimental equipment of this type is something any university can do." <br><br>By virtue of SCO membership, Iran can partake of the various SCO projects, which in turn means access to technology, increased investment and trade, infrastructure development such as banking, communication, etc. It would also have implications for global energy security. <br><br>The SCO was expected to set up a working group of experts ahead of the summit in June with a view to evolving a common "energy strategy" and jointly undertaking pipeline projects, oil exploration and related activities. <br><br>A third aspect of the SCO decision to expand its membership involves regional integration processes. Sensing that the SCO was gaining traction, Washington had sought observer status at its summit meeting last June, but was turned down. This rebuff - along with SCO's timeline for a reduced American military presence in Central Asia, the specter of deepening Russia-China cooperation and the setbacks to US diplomacy in Central Asia as a whole - prompted a policy review in Washington. <br><br>Following a Central Asian tour in October by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Washington's new regional policy began surfacing. The re-organization of the US State Department's South Asia Bureau (created in August 1992) to include the Central Asian states, projection of US diplomacy in terms of "Greater Central Asia" and the push for observer status with the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) should be seen in perspective. <br><br>US diplomacy is working toward getting Central Asian states to orientate toward South Asia - weaning them away from Russia and China. (Hamid Karzai's government in Kabul has also failed to respond to SCO's overtures but has instead sought full membership in SAARC.) <br><br>But US diplomacy is not making appreciable progress in Central Asia. Washington pins hopes on Astana (Kazakhstan) being its pivotal partner in Central Asia. The US seeks an expansion of its physical control over Kazakhstan's oil reserves and formalization of Kazakh oil transportation via Baku-Ceyhan pipeline, apart from carving out a US role in Caspian Sea security. <br><br>But Kazakhstan is playing hard to get. President Nurusultan Nazarbayev's visit to Moscow on April 3 reaffirmed his continued dependence on Russian oil pipelines. <br><br>Meanwhile, Washington's relations with Tashkent (Uzbekistan) remain in a state of deep chill. The US attempt to "isolate" President Islam Karimov is not working. (Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is visiting Tashkent on April 25.) Again, Tajikistan relies heavily on Russia's support. In Kyrgyzstan, despite covert US attempts to create dissensions within the regime, President Burmanbek Bakiyev's alliance with Prime Minister Felix Kulov (which enjoys Russia's backing) is holding. <br><br>The Central Asians have also displayed a lack of interest in the idea of "Greater Central Asia". This became apparent during the conference sponsored by Washington recently in Kabul focusing on the theme. <br><br>The SCO's enlargement move, in this regional context, would frustrate the entire US strategy. Ironically, the SCO would be expanding into South Asia and the Gulf region, while "bypassing" Afghanistan. <br><br>This at a time when the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is stepping up its presence in Afghanistan. (General James L Jones, supreme allied commander Europe, said recently that NATO would assume control of Afghanistan by August.) <br><br>So far NATO has ignored SCO. But NATO contingents in Afghanistan would shortly be "surrounded" by SCO member countries. NATO would face a dilemma. <br><br>If it recognizes that SCO has a habitation and a name (in Central Asia, South Asia and the Gulf), then, what about NATO's claim as the sole viable global security arbiter in the 21st century? NATO would then be hard-pressed to explain the raison d'etre of its expansion into the territories of the former Soviet Union."<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
greencrow0
 
Posts: 1481
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:42 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold

Postby Col Quisp » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:49 pm

We're doomed. Hope the comet gets us before the nukes. <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Col Quisp
 
Posts: 734
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 2:52 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold

Postby PeterofLoneTree » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:01 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"We're doomed. Hope the comet gets us before the nukes."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> -- Col Quisp<br><br>Kernel, Izzat part of the shower that comes every 3,600 years? <br>If so, sounds like you've been hanging out at the<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Quantum Future Groups Sites Master Index</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm">www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
PeterofLoneTree
 
Posts: 343
Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 12:10 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold

Postby Col Quisp » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:23 pm

Peter:<br>I was being a tad sarcastic. I mean the Comet 73P that has broken into a zillion fragments in 1995 for some mysterious reason, and is headed our way in the second week of May -- and will be very close to Earth. Some say that one of those fragments might hit the Atlantic Ocean two weeks later and cause terrible tsunamis, dust storms and other cataclysms. Schwassmann Wachman is the name of the comet.<br><br>See: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=220492&mpage=1&showdate=4/14/06">godlikeproductions, what else?</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
User avatar
Col Quisp
 
Posts: 734
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 2:52 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:49 pm

Very informative article revealing serious implications of the 'game' the US is playing for the nation and world.<br><br>The utterly foul, incompetant, morally and intellectually- bankrupt US 'leadership' is abundantly evident in this examination of how the US is trying to insinuate itself into the geopolitics of Asia and the Middle East -- extending from a long, long history of depraved criminal policies that contradict the US's claimed ideals. The whole demonization of Iran following on the heels of the US's illegal and criminally reckless --and failing, badly -- project in Iraq ought to be clear enough to anybody even modestly well-informed that there's something VERY, very wrong with the way the US is conducting itself in the region, trying to use Iran's nuclear-technology development as a wedge issue while attempting to delegitimize and confound Russia and China's influence in Eurasia and its critical security interests based on greater regiuonal cooperation, trade, development and interdependence. The US clearly is trying to butt-in where it's not wanted -- aggravated by the US's constant military posturing as if it were a substitute for diplomacy and constructive engagement. Instead of, "...access to technology, increased investment and trade, infrastructure development such as banking, communication, etc... (and) implications for global energy security" which the SCO is offering Iran, the US promises nothing but threats, intimidation, hysterical demands for regime change backed by the clear intent to use conventional force or even nuclear weapons, and support for covert terrorism intended to destabilize the current administration -- which in itself is a grevious international crime, but which has long been a standby in the US's arsenal of tactics; <br><br>As a US citizen, I'm appalled at the US's long, ignominous history of acting like a rogue-state superpower unconstrained by the rule of law and international agreements and treaties, acting like the very corrupt and criminal pariah that it has accused numerous states and regimes of being. The present adminstration's excesses, abuses, frauds, provocations, sabre-rattling boasts and threats, criminalization of dissent, repudiation of fundamental support for Civil and Human rights, embrace of such extreme practices as torture, suspension of due process, kidnappings/renditions, indefinite detentions, unprecedented secrecy, and the doctrine of 'pre-emptive defensive military attacks'.<br><br>The Bush Administration's unrestrained braggadocio claiming the 'privelege' of using the nuclear 'option' for what is essentially a regional security issue is an immense repudiation of international law and institutions -- a provocation to the entire world and that is helping to bring about the very catastrophe the US claims to be trying to prevent. It utterly astounds me how facile and uninformed a large portion of the American public are in failing to see that the US's aggressive posturing is most probably the biggest real danger they face today.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
StarmanSkye
 
Posts: 2670
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:32 pm
Location: State of Jefferson
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: China, Russia welcome Iran into the fold

Postby 4911 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:35 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html">www.ucsusa.org/global_sec...ation.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
4911
 
Posts: 673
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:34 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)


Return to The "War on Terror"

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests